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These Other Fake Greeks
you know what kills me is the whole "greek unity" crap...ive looked on BET.com, GreekChat, and Simplygreek, and all these other greeks, (alphas, kappas,ques,rhos,AKAs,deltas)get on here crying about greek unity, but these are the same fake people who later in the forum, are talking shyt, about sigma or zeta...why must we be so fake
if you dont like me, that cool, move on. But dont sit in my face and lie or be hypocrytical. For example, some Alpha, seems to have an issue with us saying we were the first to estalblish alumni chapter, and we were to first to have a joint meeting with the omegas For example, these rhos are killing me with the "phi beta" controversy. For example, these kappas seem to have an out of this world issue with us, for what reason, i dont know. For examply, greeks in general hating on the sigma/zeta relationship My POINT there is no greek unity, until these other greeks stop bashing, and criticing and being fake I could care less about these other people. |
As far as the Alpha and the info about the joint sigma que meeting....
I know its true, but i dont need to or have to give these other greeks a history lesson. they should learn it themselves, if they didnt thats th fault of their respective intake proceses... BUT FYI, A person, who i guess is a que wrote "The 1921 meeting between Phi Beta Sigma and Omega Psi Phi isn’t listed in our “general Overview” of our Conclave minutes of each conclave because general business for each org was handled separately. But, it clearly states in our 1st history book that the meeting did happen. For the Bruhs... these accounts are in your “Dreer” page 145-146." so finally someone other than me, with some knowledge |
Just a reminder theo14:
The opinions of one or more members in a particular organization does not necessarily reflect the viewpoint of the entire body. I do agree with you that any "war of words" between members of the Divine Nine is totally unacceptable. Texas_Dove |
Theo14,
If some are hating, let them!!! Like Brother Texas_Dove said, it does not reflect the opinion of the collective. We know what we were taught. Some people in other organizations will always find something to gripe about. It would not matter if was true or false, they'll make an issue out if it. As for the cats talking shyt and then wanting to talk the greek unity stuff, all I can say is that, some people are like that. It's apparent that they do not have the sense to realize that greek unity cannot exist with them hating on the other organizations. 1914 |
Well.........THEO14
To say that the problem is amongst all the OTHER greeks and excludes your fraternity and sister sorority is a biased and untrue(not real/FAKE) assumption in itself. I've looked on the same boards and seen negativity from EVERY BGLO. So if you are going to state something make sure you are all inclusive of everyone contributing to problem of there being no greek unity.
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observant1, if you are referring to what I posted, please don't get it twisted!
I never once said or implied that my frat or sorors were free of controversy and negativity. (I guess the fact that I did not explicitly say we all have issues threw you.) Be that as it may, I still stand by what I said. There were no assumptions in my statement. Peep it closely. Now that we have gotten past that little bit of confusion, how do you propose these organizations work toward a solution? |
Six_Three_Sigma
If you never once said or implied that your frat or sorors were free of wrongdoing then my post wasn't referring to you. "Peep closely" that I never once stated Six_Three_Sigma anywhere in my post. Just because someone posts directly after you doesn't mean they were referring to your post. I guess that fact that I didn't explicitly say theo14 threw you. I hope this clears up any confusion you had.
Now, IF you are asking me about a proposed solution. My first reply would be if you are too busy complaining about a problem then you are too busy to focus on a solution. Adding more fuel to the fire doesn't put it out. My second reply would be to correct your frat/soror(to clarify I'm generally speaking) when they are clearly in the wrong. All the tag teaming on other greeks doesn't alleviate but escalates drama. My third reply would be when in greek settings represent yourself as your frat/sorority models itself. That "if you disrespect me, I'll disrespect you back" mentality makes one look stupid and paints themselves and their org in a bad light. |
I will agree that munch of what is posted on GC is not at all appropriate. However, I would never post that of the 9 - 8 are fake! Also, while I don't always agree with my Brothers post, I still support them and try to help them see the light. Perhaps folk in your organization will help you do the same.
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The whold purpose of this thread was not to cause anger or hate...youre dealing with a frustrated bruh...and to be honest, im just stating my opinion and where im at in regards to greek relations and greek unity.....
there is no greek unity...... and im sick and tired of these same people who preach greek unity on one forum, and then on the next forum, theyre talking trash.... If you dont like me, you dont like me, plain and simple...if i dont like you, im not going to go out of my way to befriend you...im not generalizing im telling you of my personal experience....there is one frat out there, that i have not met one person, that ive liked or even was cordial to...NOT ONE PERSON, and ive met a lot of guys from this one particular fraternity.....im sure there are some cool fellas maybe, but i havent met them, and dont care to.... |
Observant1,
I must have missed the part where you said " Well.........THEO14 ". Was that there before? Assuming it was there, I'll say you got me. From what was written, it appeared as if you were referring to a post that I put up. (It had nothing to do with the fact that your post follewed mine.) In any event, if you were offended, my apologies to you. Additionally, I still have the question of how do you propose to help alleviate the problem. My answer to the problem would be to just stop talking shyt about these other organizations. No ONE person has room to talk about any other organization as a collective because we ALL have problems. (Of course, if a person has had dealings with certaing people of a certain organization, then I would say it is their right ot voice their opinions about those particular people in those "other" organizations. We need to be talking about how we what we can should be doing collectively as organizations and leaders in our communities to help uplift our communities and the youth within them Also, I agree with you about the mentality that is prevalent in all organiztaions...namely the "if you disrespect me, I'll disrespect you back" mentality. It is this type of thinking that I believe leads a lot of people to go out and "hate" on others. |
whatever!
Theo posted a post that made it seem like his "ish" don't stink!
Everyone is attacking the Sigmas/Zeta relationship, An Alpha has a problem with us, the Sigma Gamma Rhos want to claim Sigma, blah blah blah!!! This is my personal opinion, not anyone else's or my sorority. I have said this before and I will say it again. The time when Sigmas have gotten into it with XYZ, it was the Sigmas that started it! It's like you have something to prove or something. And what the hell do you think is going to happen when You claim to be the first with the "dogmatic" image The first with the Kanes Claim everyone else bond isn't real, but for us to acknowledge yours as the real deal! Whatever, don't complain about it if you can't dish it, heck even this POST is a "attack on Sigmas" waiting to happen. Everybody gets talked about, we all rib on each other, some people take it better than others! How many times has someone heard: That a Delta is really an aka? That the Aka's are prissy? That the Alphas are gay? That the Kappas are gay? That the Omegas don't graduate? That the Zetas are ghetto? That the Rho's aren't claimed by the Kappas? That the Iotas are respected? We all hear it, sometimes we get mad, but most of the time, WE SUCK IT UP and move the hell on! The only thing I agree with you on is that you have the right to be called Sigmas(as I posted in the thread on aka lane about words specific to orgs) and not the Rho's. QTE;) |
not Sigma women??
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Now I prefer the name SGRho, because it cuts down on confusion, etc . Sorta like if AKA's were called Alphas...but we still refer to ourselves as Sigma women. I have no problem with the brothers of Phi Beta Sigma referring to themselves as Sigmas, (a close friend of mine is one, and expained how it is important) but do have a problem if they (or others) act like they have a copyright to the word "Sigma". We have a right just as much as they do, but the headache and drama is not worth it. I am a Sigma woman in mind, body, and soul...but if it makes you happy, call me an SGRho... :D |
DeltaQte
so we meet again, fatty...on another message board...on another website....
....and again, there you, are all up in Sigma........stop your blue hatred, it's wack... |
Well I do not see anything wrong with a little competition but when we have what we are haveing right now that's not cool.Yes I talk about alot of greeks at my school but we are all cool with each other.We know when and when not to. And we do help each other when there is a real need. But you will havethe ones who will keep up drama. So until we as a whole can stop the ones that are keeping up the drama there will be no change. But in the same token you do have the ones who love being a Black Greek. And they do get along with all the other org. So there is unity within us but the ugly is always seen first. So you can not say that there is no unity, When you do have the ones that try,and are still trying.
And by the way(DELTAQTE) the one about Iota Phi Theta I have not heard that one yet:confused: |
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Boy I've been on this board for a long time, and I'm glad you posted, cause you are the PERFECT example of what I'm talking about crappy-O. The Sigmas I deal with have to say something crazy or rude, and here in Cali, that's a typical Sigma to us, that's real.
Not saying you don't have the right to be called Sigmas, but when someone says "There go the Sigmas" I don't think of the Rho's. But I know some places Rho's are called "Lady Sigmas". Pass the cake crappy, since I'm so fat(laughs) What..... Eva! QTE |
impervious
I meant to put for the Iotas how many times have they heard from other greeks that they AREN'T respected. Just because they were the last to join(and probably won't be the last I bet) Even on that MTV special with the Stepshow in Atlanta, they didn't even put the Iotas name with the other frats and the Iotas pointed it out. But they keep their head up and I admire that.
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Its just like a delta to get on here, with some rogue type syht....
to DeltaQ I wasnt talking to you....but since you had to open up your big fat trap...i can come for you, if you want..... the sigmas in cali probably are rude to you, because you probably have nothing of imporatance to say, so they probably dismiss you, somewhat similar to what i going to do right now..... I never said it was sigmas against the world, or sigmas against all other greeks...im simply angry at the fake greeks who try to be your friend one minute claiming greek unity,and then are in your face the next minute...trying to trash talk, and generalize like you did, by claiming sigmas that you know are representative of all bros...nevertheless..... your statements are blind and asinine......and unless you have something intelligent to say... BEGONE..... DUST IT OFF, TRY AGAIN...... |
Where is Mary J - No More Drama - - - :cool:
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On the Delta response
Well now see how it is you will all ways have a few that do not want to talk but cause drama but for the most part she does not Represent the whole Delta body. But its cool in her on way I guess she has a point that only she can understand. She is still my black sister and that I respect.And that goes for blacks ingeneral you have the right to your opinion and you need to keep it just as that your opinion and do not contaminate the rest. We have put out 9 great organization. And there will probably be more I think the over all goal is happeniing we as a whole are just not getting it. But who knows whats to come.
Impervios anchor '2' I.S.S.O.S Alpha Beta chapter Spring'96 S.I.U.E |
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Much love to the men of Phi Beta Sigma - especially those in southern cali and D out in vegas! |
Can't we all just get along!
To my greek family,
I have to respond to this thread because I too have had my "Greek Unity bubble" bursted. I sorry that you are upset, but I have to tell you the truth sweetheart and that is that we will never have greek unity because we don't first have black unity! It seems to me that we as black greeks have this separatist and elitist attitude that we are so much better than each other as well as everybody else! We are always throwing it in each others faces that "my org did this first . . ., my org has more members than yours . . ., or my org . . ., you fill in the blanks. What I'm trying to say is that we ALL put each other down because that seems to be our mentality. This mentality is even evident in the title of this thread "These other fake greeks"! What gives you the right to label anyone's org as fake! We all get bashed at some point in time NOT JUST THE SIGMAS AND THE ZETAS! I am so tired of people whining about the lack of greek unity! This forum has gotten so out of hand that the threads have been reduced to childish name calling! We are adults aren't we? This whole issue is sad and frustrating and I'm tired of it!!! To be perfectly honest with you all, all of this is negativity is in vain because when JESUS comes back our glo's are not going to matter. What's going to matter are the things that we did to spread love in his name and for his people, not what colors you wore or what org you were in if you really want to know! (For those of you who believe!) So with that said let me be the one to step out on a limb by stating LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! If anyone is truly intersted in making changes please send me a pm and maybe we can start some kind of plan to start this "greek unity" thing nationally. I'm serious! This thread is solely my opinion and I hope that I didn't offend anybody or step on any toes! I just had to speak mind on this matter. |
Rhoyalty
The title of this thread, "these other fake greeks" was not intended to be representative of ALL the other greeks, other the ones, and they know who they are, who are fake, and act fake.......im not saying all kappas, all deltas, all AKAs are fake, although ive met a plenty share of them who are, but they all are not...... |
Amen
And to add - some of us can't even see eye to eye with folk in our own organization much less act like an adult. Who said "Practice Random Acts of Kindness?"
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Theo if you read my post, you see it said that it was my opinion and not Delta Sigma Theta and I stand by it.
Your post(if you look at it) came off as these "fake greeks" are attacking SIGMA and no one else. Talk about how everyone is hated on, not just you. Just like when AKA2D1 posted "I ask again black greeks" on where the unity has gone. But if you want to take the defensive, fine. But I'm tired of organizations(not just Sigma) acting like they only get the short end of the stick and not anyone else. We are all in the same boat and we all get that hatred. And if the Rho's want to be offended then fine, I said the same damn thing in the "Specific words to your organization" thread over on aka lane and no one responded there. I explained what I meant and if you want to take it to that level you will be on that level by yourself(shrugs). QTE;) |
Its just like a delta to get on here, with some rogue type syht....
LOL look who's generalizing and hating NOW? Just like a Delta huh Theo? lol! Practice what you preach(shakes head) QTE |
I feel dat.
Theo14,
Get used to it. It(the frustration) dont go away eitha. I've seen more unity between prosecuting and defense lawyers than between bglos. At times, we take this competition thang a bit too far. Sometime ago, people used to look at members of bglos as if they were future leaders of our people and our nation; I don't think so anymore. When they see us today, I don't know what they think. |
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First of all theo, let me say that I understand your frustration. As a member of Alpha Phi Alpha, I've heard many different things by members of other organizations about Alpha. I think that it's basically a level thing. I mean when you are a neo, you are full of pride and ignorance about your frat. I know I said many different things about other frats with no respect to who heard it. But as you get older (I'm only 30, not ol skool yet), you realize that most people perceive BGLO's as one whole college gang or a group of elitists. Then as you get further into the world it's not the colors that you were in your frat,but the color that you wear on your skin. On my campus ALL, and I mean ALL of the frats got along perfectly. We all worked together. So greek unity does exist. But So does organizational pride. No matter What you say or Do, lines between orgs. will exist.
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Well spoken, we need more with the same thinking and we will go far.
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Let me first say, that ive been in greekdom for a MINUTE...I pledged in 94. Over the years, ive been active, every year and financial, still am....
Ive also met quite a few people, sigmas, zetas and quite of few people from the other orgs.. we all have pride in our respective orgs, and i would expect everyone would defend it and cherish it.....i think it comes down to the initial intake process....i was made "right" and had older brothers who knew how to pledge and did so in a rather good manner and taught me well, thats why the guys from my chapter typically excel in everything they do...... some people are made wrong..these are the ones that are disrespecting me and my frat, these are the ones that are talking shyt all the time, these are the ones that are instigating and perpetuation fights..... as someone pointed out, and i will expound on it...there is no greek unity, there will never be greek unity, because we all have pride in our respective orgs and have joined for various reasons, and dont know how to seperate that from being cordial to other people.... So WHY FRONT |
I tried the Greek Unity route..i was the main one on campus tryingt to do joint service events with other orgs except zetas...
everyone know i was the one who was a problem solver...the one who always tried to break up the arguments...... I even tried to put together an ALL GREEK STROLL... where did they lead to.... In college, A member of another fraternity, challenged me by walking in front of me while im strolling trying to break my line.....AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT OF COURSE,...A FIGHT...I BEAT HIS AZZ..... Of course now, im older and things like that will never happen because im out of that environment, but even on a professional level its that same kind of anymosity and spite even in grad chapters and especially NPHC (a joke) |
I had to...I could not resist. :p
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why is that interesting AKA....
my opinion of NPHC... National LEVEL they actually do things...worthy of attention....i know several bros who have served on the national board of NPHC and their intentions are good at heart... Local LEVEL a joke...our NPHC didnt do crap but delegate party weekends and collect dues, and argue about why deltas didnt support the simga party weekend or why kappas didnt show up the the zeta community event...or petty stuff like that.... I cant say that i have experienced other collegiate nphcs other than mine, so i cant speak for your respective institutions, but i went to a regional nphc conference at a HBCU...and it was simply a few meetings of "important nature" and the main part of the partying....a waste of my time, dollars etc..... I MAY SOUND PESSIMISTIC, BUT ITS THE TRUTH...TRUTH HURTS DOESNT IT |
Theo, my brotha, you sound a little bitter toward the whole idea of greek unity. Why is that? I mean you know like I do that if you see a change needed then get in there and try to make a difference. Look at this chat room for instance. I'm an Alpha, You are a Sigma but you and I are conversing about an issue that important to you. No matter how you put it, that's greek unity.
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Dexter...
sort of... i mean, were holding a conversation, because were both intellingent, cordial and respectful....i have friends who are alphas, and ques and we have conversations about this all the time, but that is not true for the other idiots out there, that get on internet, under the the disguise of internet anonymity and talk shyt...check out some of the forums on here and other websites, and youll see the unity, yeah right..... |
Dexter
and sometimes its the little things, that irk me and others....People just dont THINK sometimes....... For instance, someone wrote in another thread, "the Alphas were really good, and i must say it was the first time I was impressed by an Alpha step team...the Sigma team was ok...the white boy part didnt make me smile (but that is a whole other story" HOW in the heck, you gon' get on a SIGMA forum, which is ABOUT SIGMA, PROMOTING SIGMA and RESPECTIN SIGMA, and have the nerve to say the Alpha team was good, and the sigma team was ok. If you think it is true, that okay, but its not the right place, keep it to yourself or go to the Alpha forum, and jock them. I mean HONESTLY, how did this statement add to this convo.... IT DIDNT, we could have done without it, it had no purpose at all, NONE at all This is not a big deal, its actually kind of petty, but it shows you the little shyt that can stir controversey, and could possibly lead to arguments.....what if i replied, "What the hell you talkin about the sigma team was good, and the alpha team sucked, youre an idiot and dont know anything about stepping", Now im in the wrong, huh |
Relax...
Theo,
Chill out bro...it's not that serious. So what somebody thought that the Alpha step team was better...maybe they were. WHO CARES? Personally I have pride in my frat and pride in being a black man as well. I have close friends and business partners who are kappa's and alpha's. That's REAL unity :D. But when we're in a "greek" setting (i.e. greek chat room, stepshow, or just sittin' around bullshittin' about greek issues), I'll call my Alpha buddy a "Faggot-Ass Monkey" or I'll tell my Kappa buddy he's really in a "Historically WHITE Frat...Phi Nu Pi" (he hates that :D ). In addition, they'll call me a "Phi Beta Skater". But when we're not clowning each other we're working together. To the outside world it just looks like an Alpha, a Kappa, and a Sigma who all HATE each other...but that's not the case. OUR DIFFERENCES ARE THE FUN PART! When it's time for business, we conduct business. (And it acutally HELPS that we're all greek cause if someone doesn't meet a deadline I can say "Damn, you Kappas sure are fuck ups!" And they can say the same to me which makes us work harder cause you've gotta "represent"). The key is to be mature enough to relax and take shots while you also give'em. My Alpha buddy knows he's not a faggot, my Kappa buddy knows he's not in a white frat, and I DAMN SURE know I didn't skate. Now, as far as "unity" steps and stupid shit like that, I'm not surprised that it didn't work. I only want to step with Sigmas. And Ques only want to step with Ques, etc. BUT, in real life a Sigma and a Que will have NO problem making money together. Bottomline...suck it up man! Greek unity exists to the extent that you want it to. .........where's my bitter cup...I'm thristy |
Schizo
My problem with that comment about the alpha team etc, its actually really not a problem, is not with the comment....my point is, there is a time and a place for everything, and if we are going to stand by this greek unity jargon, a comment like that, as simple as it may sound, is to ideal for this forum...LIKE i said, little things like that could start issues with a lot of people, maybe not you or may not me...but we need to use common sense...when posting (if were going to promote greek unity) I have greek friends too,...thats besides the point, my friends know what to say, when to say it and what not to say, out of respect for me and my org.....i went through too much shyt to sit here and let ANYONE disrepsect my lettes, internet, forum or not |
Youre right, a unity stroll doesnt work,"stupid shyt" like that would never work, unfortunately, that was my soph year at school, soon after i had pledged, and i was trying to promote the greek unity on our campus and thought damn, we may not do joint programs together but maybe we can do something as simple as a dance/stroll together as an intro to the stepshow, a way to introduce the greek organ to the crowd, and show all the haters and GDI and prospectives that we actually have some form of unity, the stroll was not to be a regualar thing, just a one time performance for a one time stepshow with all 8 orgs, BUT i soon and quickly learned the truth, and after a few years, im no longer naive about greek unity....
this is simply my opinon about the matter, i am in no way or form angry, stressd out or worried about this topic, im just simply stating opinions |
I FEEL YOU
but all I'm saying is that Greek Unity can takes lots of different forms...productive money-making forms are the best :D .
I just think there's a lot more greek unity than you're realizing frat... ...and again, our differences are the fun part (because we're not really all that different). HOLLA |
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