FAKE SORORS AND FRATS
 

HOW MUCH TROUBLE CAN YOU GET IN FOR LYING AND SAYING YOUR APART OF AN ORG WHEN YOUR NOT? WHAT ABOUT WEARING 'NALIA? I KNOW I HEARD OF A GIRL BEING AN AKA PERP FOR SEVEN YEARS, CAN SHE GET INTO ANY LEGAL TROUBLE (SINCE AKA IS INCORPORATED AND ALL)? I WANNA KNOW IF THERE IS A WAY SHE CAN BE CHASTISED. LET ME KNOW. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU ALL WOULD/HAVE DELT WITH PERPS IN YOUR ORGANIZATION.

Speaking of fake, what is the point of joining a sorority, and half the girls act like they can't speak to you? or end up being friends with just three of the ten members? a clique within a clique. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of sisterhood? Or thinking your better than everyone else just because you have letters on your chest?

Sounds like you just got a REJECTION notice! Don't hate. Better luck NEXT time! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Ok, this is something that people fail to see. ESPECIALLY those people who aren't greek.

Many of us get the question "Why do you want to buy your friends?" These people, to me, lack the ability to make an educated guess or argument. They were probably rejected by a greek org too.

This is what I tell people:

1) You can't buy people
2) We arn't buying friends, we are gaining membership to a national/international organization that supports community service and national philanthropies.
3) We aren't buying friends, we are gaining knowledge of leadership skills and networking
4) We aren't buying friends, we are getting the upper hand because if I was up for the same job as you, I would get it because I have a prestigous organizaion on my resume that is known far and wide for its endevours

The word sisterhood does not mean friendship. You do not gain automatic friendship when you are handed a bid. What you do get is respect. You get respect because during the "rush" period you proved to the sisters that you were a someone that would be an asset to their organization. You have skills and/or qualities that would benifit their organization. Friendship comes later.

As for a clique within a clique. . . sororities and fraternities are not cliques. They are national/international organizations. Cliques are a group of people. In 5 years, at least half of a sorority will have graduated and spread out across the world, but the sorority will still be there.

As for girls not talking to each other. . . Just because I'm a sister of a sorority doesn't mean that I have to like everyone in my sorority. I do Respect them because they are a part of my organization, but I don't have to be friends with them. We will get along and be civil to one another because we have the same intentions when it comes to our organization and that is to further its ideals and purpose.

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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
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I DON'T THINK YOU ALL ARE CLEAR ABOUT MY QUESTION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NEVER ENDING BATTLE REGARDING RATHER OR NOT GREEKS BY THEIR FRIENDS. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT ABOUT HOW MUCH TROUBLE A PERSON CAN GET IN FOR LYING ABOUT BEING AN AKA OR BEING A DELTA OR BEING AN OMEGA OR BEING A TRI DELTA, ECT. I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE DELT WITH SUCH A SITUATION, AND IF NOT-- HOW YOU WOULD DEAL WITH SUCH A SITUATION.

My sorority has never had that problem, at least while I was there. It isn't illegal to wear letters. Anybody can go buy a t-shirt that has greek letters on it. That right is not limited to people who are greek. As for claiming that you are a member of an organization. I'm not sure about that. I could see someone being brought up on charges of misrepresentation. I recently delt with this kind of case. Someone offering me a job claimed to work for a presigious Doctors office. The office was well know. This person did not work for the dr. office, and the dr's office pressed charges for misrepresentaion. The only legal action that I can see taken against someone would be misrepresentation. If you are walking around recruiting people, claiming to be a specific person, or even just walking around representing or promoting the organization these actions can be taken against someone, if there is proof that you were doing these things. If you are just walking around wearing the letters, that isn't grounds for misrepresentation. I hope that answered your question. I'm sure that it is just a misdemenor(sp?). The consequences could be time in jail(max 6 mos.) if it is serious, and a large fine. The other thing about it is, if you aren't a member and you are pretending to be one, I wouldn't want to find out what the real members would do if they found out. It depends on the people, but I might be scared they'd ruin my reputation or worse. But that's just me.


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Mikki Gates
Delta Zeta Alum
Kappa Mu Chapter
Sigma Alpha Iota Alum
Eta Tau Chapter

"I would rather have thirty minutes of wonderful than a lifetime of nothing special."

--Julia Roberts
(Steel Magnolias)

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I agree with mgd, anyone can buy the shirts and portray to be something they are not. But why would someone want to do that, if they don't know or understand the meaning or history of those letters, then the letters are meaningless. As an individual, i can't sue or anything like that, but the national headquarters would probably take an interest. You pretty much sue anyone over anything these days. I've never met anyone that i thought was a fake delta. if i thought they were being a perp, i would handle it correctly. but some real members of any organization may not be so civil about it. Like mgd said, i wouldn't want to be that person when they run into some "real" members of that organization.

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As a matter of fact, I have seen someone get busted out for perpin'.
I know y'all seen that e-mail going around CLAIMIN to reveal the "secrets" of many BGLOs.
Well I know for a fact that a girl who claimed to be an AKA "from outta town" tried to front on the Ladies here @ a recent party.

And let's just say, "Dayum, them AKAs know how to throw down!!"

Let that be a lesson to anybody trying to go the same route because it is NOT worth it.

I think that is just weird. Why would someone want to do that?
(If you have an explanation, TRECEY, please share it!)

I've never heard of anyone pretending to be part of GLO they weren't (with the exception of StraightBOS's post above mine!). But then again, I'm sure stranger things happen.

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SilverTurtle@greekchat.com

Phi Beta Fraternity

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I know first hand of a situation that place during Greek Freak up in Syracuse about seven years ago. I was undergrad at the time. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif A young lady had been perpetrating to be a member of one of the BGLO sororities (shall remain nameless). I guess the members of this sorority knew she would show up wearing their letters because they were PREPARED when she arrived. Poor her! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

Needless to say, she left without any 'nalia on. Now, I'm not condoning violence. But c'mon, that's just downright disrespectful to the ladies that worked hard and EARNED their letters.

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I'M NOT SURE WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT TO LIE AND CLAIM TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THEIR NOT. I JUST REMEMBER A PARTICULAR (AHEM) ALTERCATION THAT HAPPENED AT A WELL KNOWN UNIV. I GUY WAS CLAIMING TO BE A(N)...(THE PARTICULAR FRAT DOESN'T MATTER) AND HE WAS SEVERLY MISTREATED BY THEM WHEN THET REALIZED HE WASN'T WHAT HE CLAIMED TO BE. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS HAPPENS OFTEN, OR IF IT WAS JUST AN ISOLATED (AHEM) EVENT.

I don't know of anyone trying to pretend they were apart of my sorority, but I remember in college some years ago a guy came on our campus and pretended to be an Omega. When those guys found out they threw down on that brotha. I mean why pretend like your in an organization when you're not. I feel you should just go for it if it's that good that you have to pretend, be real. Go through the process and find out the history of the org. and appreciate the goals of the founders.
As for any type of legal trouble I am not sure, but I also think that nationals may have that answer.
Much Love to all my Sorors of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority. Z-PHIIIIII!!!!!
BLU-PHI!!! to all the men of Phi Beta Sigma.

I agree that there is probably no law preventing wearing letters. In my day, I went to the campus Greek shop and bought all kinds of merchandise (for my own fraternity, of course) but I never had to prove that I was a part of that organization. I could have bought a hat, shirt, keychain, etc. from any fraternity I wanted, and it wouldn't have made a difference. But I think you are all correct when you say that if the real brothers catch you wearing their letters when you are not really a member, you'll probably get your ass kicked.

On a somewhat related note, I remember when I was a sophomore and I heard that a couple of the seniors in our house saw a homeless man on a main campus street, wearing one of our letter sweatshirts. Absolutely no clue where he could have gotten it. Again, there was no kind of legal action they could have taken to get him to hand over the sweatshirt. One of our guys supposedly offered him $10 for it, but he refused. I think he had a right to keep it simply because there would have been nothing else for him to wear if it got cold. Maybe if nothing else, our house was seen as a charitable group, handing out clothing to the homeless people! : )

Wow, I am not greek just yet (were are founding a colony on my campus), but I must say, that is a fantastic response. I too have asked that question of greeks during my quest to cure my ignorance and figure the whole thing out and I have also considered how I will reply when, one day (sigh), I will be asked that question.

Mikki, I printed out your reply and it's posted in my home. Well said.

Pinoy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
[B]Ok, this is something that people fail to see. ESPECIALLY those people who aren't greek.

Many of us get the question "Why do you want to buy your friends?" These people, to me, lack the ability to make an educated guess or argument.

Why thank you. I'm flattered.

I would like to take this topic from another perspective. Several years ago my cousin pledged Kappa Alpha Psi. He worked hard when he was pledged (back then they pledged). When my cousin finally went over, he was celebrating at a party with his frats. Some "old heads" didn't recognize him and tried to challenge him. When my cousin responded to their challenge (correctly, mind you) they kicked his butt so bad he couldn't walk the next day. They tried to say that because they didn't recognize him they felt they had the right to beat him down. Fortunately, his big bruhs told them what was going on and got the guys off of him. Sometimes you just don't know. The thing that amazed me was when the "old heads" found out my cousin was legitimate they picked him up and dusted him off like nothing happened. My cousin didn't even mind. He wore his bruises like a badge!!!! The moral here, look before you beat!

"Some "old heads" didn't recognize him and tried to challenge him. When my cousin responded to their challenge (correctly, mind you) they kicked his butt so bad he couldn't walk the next day."

Sounds like a problem that could have easily been avoided if he had just explained to those older guys that he was a recent initiate. If they didn't believe him, he could have given them the secret handshake, secret password, etc. That's a lot better than getting his ass kicked. Although then, like you say, he wouldn't have had any bruises to show off as a result of his encounter.

Yes you can get into legal trouble. I had some friends who went to school upstate NY, and I heard at one of those universities there had been some heads claiming to be Kappas (might have really thought they were but KAP nationals didnt think so) and from what I hear KAP nationals put up huge posters in the student center and in the student papers saying that if anyone saw these heads wearing Kappa letters or claiming to be Kappas call the national headquarters. It is copyright infringement. Fraternities and sororities own their symbols, you cant just wear AKA cause ya like pink and green. As far as saying youre a member when youre not, more than a beat down by the local chapters (depending on who youre dealing with) I figure these organizations can take legal action against you for misrepresentation. I mean people are card carrying members for a reason.

Actually, anybody are able to wear any letters they wan't. The only recourse a national can have is when a recognized organization claim they are a chapter when they are not. I could easily purchased anybody's letter. Or make my own. It's like anybody allowed to wear a boyscout uniform. Just go to e-bay and anybody could even purchased an organizations badge easily.

YOU ARE RIGHT, FROM A "HUMAN RIGHTS" STANDPOINT, ONE CAN GO OUT PURCHASE AND WHERE A FRAT/SOROR'S NALIA. HOWEVER I HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT THOSE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT PERPETRATING, THINK TWICE ABOUT THE LEGAL AND PHYSICAL RAMIFICATIONS OF THEIR ACTIONS. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG MEN WHO PERP MY FRAT AND THE WORD IS OUT ON THEM. WHEN PERPS GET CAUGHT THEY ARE DEALTY WITH. NOW I'M NOT ADVOCATING VIOLENCE ON ANY LEVEL, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY. I'M QUITE SURE SOROR'S/FRAT CAN TELL WHEN A PERP ROLLS UP ON THEIR YARD OR THEY ENCOUNTER THEM ELSEWHERE. WE VIEW IT AS AN INSULT AND TAKE IT PERSONALLY.

If you see a sorority that has a chapter that acts like that I suggest that you don't join unless you believe that you can somehow help them become united. However, there are many sororities where that is no were near true. In my sorority we will go out of our way to speak to sorors who we just saw ten minutes ago. Why? because they are my sisters and although we might have family squabbles, I will always love and stand by my sisters

There is nothing wrong with perping. If a frat or sorority wants to "sell" their letters to any individual who goes into a "para" store then anyone should be able to purchase them.

THIS IS FOR PINKBUNNYY 99 I LIKED HOW YOU SAID BAVK IN THE DAY WHEN THEY USED TO PLEDGE AS IF YALL DO NOT DO IT NOW LMAO!!!!!!! COME ON KEEP IT REAL! I KNOW THAT WAS OFF THE SUBJECT BUT IT WAS TOO FUNNY TO LET SLIDE.

you are slightly confused. let me help you out. it's not the purchasing of 'nalia (para) that is at issue. it is the wearing of it and/or claiming to be a member of something you're not....something that people have WORKED EXTREMELY HARD to achieve...

SigEpYoda, exactly. Why would anyone want to go around and act like something they're not. I suppose that happens every day. I mean look at the people that steal others medals or wear war medals/purple hearts acting like they earned them. How disrespectful. I mean when I was in school there were times someone had a hat or something with their letters lost and none of other greeks would wear it. I mean they could, but they didn't out of respect. I guess only greeks can really understand that. No offense to anyone reading this that isnt greek. Its just thats a slap in the face when someone wears your letters or anything affiliated with your organization that isnt a part of your organization. I could see though how people that wouldnt know better, like a bum, that wouldnt know any better.

Kevin Mullinix
Beta Theta Pi Alum
Epsilon Mu Chapter
George Mason University

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I don't mean to sound clueless but what is Nalia?

You don't sound clueless. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Nalia is short for Paraphernalia. Nalia is items that have the Sorority/Fraternity letters on them. Shirts, jackets, key chains, etc.

ZetaAce

I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO WEAR THE 'NALIA IF THEY HAVEN'T WORKED AS HARD, LEARNED ALL OF THE INFO, OR EVEN BE AS DEDICATED TO THE ORGANIZATION AS THE REAL MEMBERS (MOST OF THE TIME). IF THEY WANT TO BE A MEMBER THAT BAD, JUST GO THROUGH THE MEMBERSHIP INTAKE PROCESS. YOU WILL BE AMAZED OF ALL THE FUN YOU WILL HAVE. IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF A REAL CHALLENGE, THEN DON'T GO AROUND FRONTING THAT YOU ARE A MEMBER OF WHATEVER ORGANIZATION THAT YOU ARE NOT. THAT GIRL THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS CRAZY. IN ALL OF THOSE YEAR SHE COULD HAVE PLEDGE SEVERAL TIMES OVER. SHE NEEDS A REALITY CHECK. IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. BE THAT WOMAN OR MAN AND GO THROUGH THE REAL PROCESS AND ALL OF YOUR LETTERS THE RIGHT WAY.

If I catch you perping my Sorority, you will be dealt with! I have caught 3 perps on the net. I even caught this chick trying to perp my own daggone chapter! If you thinking about perping, u better think before you act, cause the Greek World is too small to let that madness slide for too long! You will suffer the consequences...but for some of you cyber perps, u just live to perp another day....NOT!

ZZZZZZZZ PHIIIIII !!!!!!!!!!!

12dn94dst- Thank you for your kind words http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I have much love for Zeta Phi Beta. I know that we handle business just like DST, SGRho, and AKA do. You are right, our organizations work hard in our communities and I am proud of that fact.

Don't worry about the post that LOL put up. S/he hasn't posted one positive thing on this board yet. LOL is probably just some pathetic person that has nothing better to do. Let him/her be ignorant, s/he seems to be good at it!

ZetaAce

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LOL...your wack! So, sorry you are a poor dejected and rejected person...My Sorority is the REALEST SORORITY of ALL...so sorry too weak minded to recognize that!




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The Epitome of Style and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!

Thanks for the intelligent response Sister Soror. (My roommate is a Delta) Even though I registered a while back, this the first time I have really read and posted on this site. I see that there are a lot of ignorant people out there. It's truly a shame.

On my love and fervor for Zeta...you couldn't been more right!

Just wanted to say that, made the right choice and the only choice for me, Z PHI B, MY SORORITY! And had I had to do all over again would have been the same! I LOVE MY Z PHI B!


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The Epitome of Style and Grace, Always Exemplifying Good Taste, A Zeta Woman, A Finer Woman, That's Me!

So I finally figured out what LOL stands for....Loser On Line!!

This is a lil' off the subject, but...That is right go through the MIP--Membership Intake Process. Perping is useless. On the flip side those of you accussing should check some cards. There are sorors/frats who joined just to beat others (end the BRUTAL hazing) and that ain't cool. If you go through whatever to join you need to stay active in somebody's chapter (grad, if and when you graduate or undergrad)and stay financial. I mean what does it mean to be a sister only to your linesisters or those who crossed you and not nationals.

Truth be told, you can get into legal trouble if an individual truly wanted to press charges. On another level you can encounter physical harm. There was a gentleman who perped a frat at school where he was unknown. He even went as far as to get branded. When the brothers found out, they grabbed him the first chance they got and.....(suspense).....they took him into one of their houses and used an iron to burn the brand off. Don't perp, if you want the letters earn them. To those who say it doesn't matter; think of something close to your heart. If I attempt to claim it, without knowing its significance, heritage, or its meaning to you than I am disrespecting you and all love the aforementioned possession.

Girl, why would someone want to perp Zeta of all things. If someone was going to perp they would do a "REAL" sorority like AKA or DST, but Zeta, come on!!!

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gifYou are OUT OF LINE! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

Zeta Phi Beta IS are real Sorority. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gifI am SICK and TIRED of people dumping on Zeta and SGRho, ESPECIALLY on THIS WEBSITE. They are NOT Delta and AKA rejects. They are intelligent, goal oriented, STORNG women with convictions and visions just as strong as an AKA or Delta. They pledged what was in their HEART. Their LOVE for Zeta is just as strong as mine is for Delta.

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gifThere's a lot of intolerance and misgivings on this board and unfortunaltely, the NPHC orgs are at the short end of the stick. Yes, we do things DIFFERENTLY from predominantly Caucasian orgs. We do things a little differently from each other. We have OUR rivalries but you'd better BELIEVE that when it comes down to handling BUSINESS, we push all the bulls**t to the side and do what we need to do.

You want to know why someone would want to perp Zeta? Or SGRho? Or ANY of the NPHC orgs? Learn about what we DO and who we ARE and what we STAND FOR in OUR COMMUNITIES and you'll see why!

PROUD to be a DELTA...PROUD to be in the NPHC!!



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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

NOW, I KNEW A GIRL ONCE AND SHE WANTED TO BE A MEMBER OF MY SORORITY AND SHE AND I WENT TO THE RUSH TOGETHER. I GOT ACCEPTED AND SHE DIDN'T. SHE SAID SHE WAS HAPPY FOR ME AND I TOLD HER IT WASN'T THE END OF THE WORLD SHE COULD TRY AGAIN. SHE LEFT AND ATTENDED ANOTHER SCHOOL.WELL!!! WHEN AT A STEP SHOW I SAW HER AND THERE SHE WAS DECKED OUT IN RED AND WHITE. SO BEING THE POLITE PERSON I AM I TOOK HER TO THE SIDE AND ASKED HER WHAT THE DEAL WAS, BECAUSE I WAS NOT INFORMED THAT SHE HAD BECOME A MEMBER. SHE CONFIDED IN ME, AS SHE ALWAYS DID, THAT SHE WAS PERPETRATING. I ASKED HER WHAT SHE DID TO GET MY SORORS TO WELCOME HER AND SHE SAID ALL SHE DID WAS BY A SHIRT AND WORE IT ONE DAY, AND WHEN THEY ASKED HER WHERE SHE WAS FROM SINCE SHE WAS A TRANSFER STUDENT SHE LIED AND SAID SHE WAS FROM ANOTHER STATE.
THIS TROUBLED ME AND I WAS FULL OF RAGE. I DID MY OWN INVESTIGATION AND THEN I FOUND THE PROOF I NEEDED,THEN I TOOK IT TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL. AFTER THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID TO HER BUT I AM SURE IT WASN'T PRETTY!!!
IN A PERFECT WORLD I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED HER WITH OPEN ARMS , BUT I WORKED VERY HARD TO GET MINE AND I FEEL SHE SHOULD DO THE SAME!!!!!!!

If anyone is interested in being a Sigma Chi there's a T-shirt for sale on Ebay. The thought of posing to be something you're not is kind of dorky. Then again, I have never been in that position. Maybe the want to be in something drives people so hard that they have to lie. That's kind of sad.

If we could halt the sale of greek badges and paraphenalia on places such as Ebay, maybe we could curb this "posing" thing.