disgusting sigma pi tradition
 

Allright, so i found out something that really disturbs me and i do not know what to do about it!! I am in a sorority at a Michigan college that has a chapter of sigma pi at it. Well, i was at there house last week and it was their pledges "hell week" everyone knew this b/c of what they were wearing and how wasted they were. So anyway, i went upstairs to a personel brothers room that i knew to use the bathroom and i discovered two small boxes with rats in them. The extremly small boxes had not been cleaned in days and the smell was overwhelming. Needless to say i questioned a brother about this and since he was intoxicated he told me that during "hell week" the pledges have to carry a small animal with them at all times. He then proceeded to tell me stories about what they did to these animals, since the pledges become so recentful of them the all died. As an avid animal rights activist, i was horrified and sicken by the treatments of these small animals. One of the rats was completely hairless and i found out that the pledge had died it's fur so many times it fell out. Needless to say, i waited a little while longer in the night, and with the help of some of my sorority sisters, we stole the rats.
So now i do not know what to do. I don't want to cause trouble for my sorority but this is an absolutely disgusting "tradition" that i can not beleives continues today. Does this happen at other Sigma Pi chapters or is my school just lucky to have such an upstanding fraternity? Please, any comments or insights would be appreciated. I would also like to hear from other sigma pi's. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Most "hazing" like that is different from chapter to chapter. Some chapters do stuff like that, and others are smart enough to realize it is stupid and don't. They fall in the first category.

I agree with Brian. Thankfully, chapters like the one you described are definitely in the minority. Most GLO chapters are smart enough to realize that encouraging new members to commit stupid acts in order to be initiated is harmful to the entire organization and isn't condoned by their National Headquarters or their fellow Greeks. Sigma Pi is a wonderful organization, and I'm sure that the vast majority of their brothers would not find such a story amusing in the least.

Whether it be an Individual Chapter or not, this is totally ridiculous! They SHOULD be Yanked!:mad:

I would love to put these Butt Munches in a Cage or Box and let them sit for a while in their own Crap!

Dont think they would like it very long!

god bless america. thanks disgusting. i love animals so much. i can't even stand to think of this. i know you don't want to cause trouble for your sorority, but something should be done about that crap. even if it means going to their advisors or the school. gawd. i'm glad that you guys at least got the rats. but it's not like they can't get a few more rats from a local pet store.

marissa

Just playing Devil's Advocate so don't flame me, but....

What if the story that Kinney9 got from the DRUNK brothers/pledges is not accurate. I'm not excusing the behavior or saying that it isn't true, but I know I have heard many a TALL tale from DRUNK fraternity brothers about alleged hazing activity (we've all heard the stories about the goats). I can't say what would be going on with the hairless rat, but is it possible that someone owns a snake and that the rats are food??

If the story is in fact true then yes I find it disgusting and it should definitely be reported as hazing and the school and Sigma Pi IHQ should take the appropriate action.

Kinney9, you said in the posts that the pledges grew so resentful that all the rats died? You stole dead rats? For what purpose.

As far as what to do . . . The reason why Greek Houses don't turn eachother in is not only loyalty, but the fact that each house usually has enough technical violations that everyone could get caught for something . . . So if all the chapters start reporting the other chapters there won't be many left before long.

If I felt really strongly about this, and had the courage of my convictions, I would have a heart to heart directly with the President of that chapter and say: Look if this continues I am going to contact(insert militant animal rights group here) tell them the whole story, and you can deal witht he load of shit they will bring down on you and your whole chapter you stupid peckerhead. (You might not want to call him a peckerhead . . .).

That should stop it if he takes you seriously. Anything else you do officially, like contact the admin or Sigma Pi Headquarters will most likely have one of two effects: if they choose both to believe you and act, that chapter of Sigma Pi will be gone . . . If they choose to disbelieve and/or not act . . they will give you a frustrating run around.

Your choice.

Thats a good point! I have made up wild stories just for entertainment purposes and the fact that someone is asking something none of their business. Even to good friends.

Kinney9, my question to you would be: if you're on the level, why did you register as kinney10 within minutes of the first registration?

here we go
 

Q. How is this thread like the hit movie Lord of the Rings?

A. They both have trolls.

aww c'mon
 

this story either sounds fishy, or kinney got fed a line. nobody, but nobody lets people know what their pledges do. i've been through, or have seen, it all. the cardinal rule of hazing is keep you f-ing mouth shut. i just don't buy it.

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i just wanted to add to what teke4life said, and mention that usually during "hell weeks," or "i-weeks," when hazing is taking place no one but a brother or pledge is allowed to be in the house. no one wants to display hazing in front of others. no one wants a situation where the wrong person sees something and the chapter is busted

I'd say it's probably a BS story but who knows. Everyone has heard the stories about I-week, some of us have even spread them for fun to our associates/pledges, but almost all hazing stories that anyone hears of are made up because only brothers know what happens during I week.
And who said the Goat were just made up?

goats? we prefer sheep. no horns and they don't kick as hard.

Alright, time to get a Sig Pi's opinion here.

Do all chapter's do that? No. How do I know? Because my chapter doesn't do shit like that at all. That's a little extreme for my chapter. All I know is that in EVERY social fraternity there's hazing at one of their chapters. Could be worse than that, could be less. But non the less, there's hazing. Also, I don't think that story is entirely true because you probably wouldn't be allowed it the house durring Hell Week and it was probably a made up story. IF you want cruelty to animals, one fraternity here hung goats heads infront of all the girls houses doors. That's respect for an animal eh?

Kris

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You have been through or seen it all? When hazing isn't supposed to be happening. Keepign your f#(king mouth shut, when hazing isn't supposed to be happening. First, yes, we all agree that hazing does happen, but trust me, "people don't keep their fu(#ing mouths shut." Not only have a few of my good friend shared with me, some of their experiences of being hazed (one is a TKE), but I have also witnessed another fraternity haze their pledges in a drunken rage. You know, the story could very well have truth to it, but I would think that in order for this sorority to witness something like this, they would be in on it, or their pledges would be involved in some way. BUT, alcohol can say many things and let many secrets slip, I don't know either way, but to me the story could have some truth.

Blaine

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i think we need to draw a distinction here. i'm talking about when the hazing is actually occurring. i've exchanged a lot of hazing stories with my friends and other greeks. its like trading war stories. but those were tales of things done in the past - i've never heard of anyone allowing another person to witness acts of hazing, in the present.
b4 i get in trouble, and this forum swings back to the old hazing argument... yeah, i was hazed and did haze as an undergrad, but i've seen the light and helped my chapter finds alternatives to hazing. i don't agree with it, i'm just saying that i've been around long enough to think that this story isn't all its cracked up to be.

This definately sounds like BS to me. It is basically common knowledge that most fraternities don't let their pledges drink during I-week, so walking into a house with drunken actives and drunken pledges makes no sense to me at all. Also, the fact that a girl was allowed into the fraternity house not once, but twice (when she claims to have gone back for the rats), seems rediculous. Third, the fact that she posted the message just minutes after registering should be a red flag to us all.

As a member of Sigma Pi, I can attest that something is very wrong with this story. Don't flame me for this, but it seems like someone has a problem with the Sig Pi's at their school and is trying to stir up some stuff.


I believe.

Sigma Pi ZH

I truly think this entire thing is crap. My previous boyfriend of two years is a Sig Pi consultant for the mid-west so MI is in his territory. I did inform him of this post and he is investigating this but he too thinks that this story is bogus. I mean really it is a little far fetched, I have experienced frat pledges getting hazed a little but come on rats that is ridiculous. But anyways this is just my two cents...
God love those Sig Pi's :), they are a great frat

Something smells rotten in the world of Greekchat. Personally, I always find it questionable when someone signs on and their first post is about some alleged hazing event.

If I felt really strongly about this, and had the courage of my convictions, I would have a heart to heart directly with the President of that chapter and say: Look if this continues I am going to contact(insert militant animal rights group here) tell them the whole story, and you can deal witht he load of shit they will bring down on you and your whole chapter you stupid peckerhead. (You might not want to call him a peckerhead . . .).

Always the best FIRST step!

Brad

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kinney9
Allright, so i found out something that really disturbs me and i do not know what to do about it!! I am in a sorority at a Michigan college that has a chapter of sigma pi at it.

I just got off the phone with hooked on phonics and they wanted me to let you know that since their program didnt work with you, that you can have your money back.

at there house last week and it was their pledges "hell week" everyone knew this b/c of what they were wearing and how wasted they were.

Nice assumption Matlock. You wouldnt know the diffrence between pledging and hell week if it jumped up and bit you on the ass.

So anyway, i went upstairs to a personel brothers room that i knew to use the bathroom

HAHAHAHAHA, to use the bathroom. Now thats funny.

and i discovered two small boxes with rats in them.

And you didnt run away screaming? Do you always go rummaging through a mans room that you just had sexual relations with?

The extremly small boxes had not been cleaned in days and the smell was overwhelming. Needless to say i questioned a brother about this and since he was intoxicated he told me that during "hell week" the pledges have to carry a small animal with them at all times. He then proceeded to tell me stories about what they did to these animals, since the pledges become so recentful of them the all died.

Im all about the ethical treatment of a rat and whatnot, but brace yourself for my next comment, people feed rats to snakes everyday, all over the world. Did you happen to see a snake in that room.

As an avid animal rights activist,

that figures.....

i was horrified and sicken by the treatments of these small animals. One of the rats was completely hairless and i found out that the pledge had died it's fur so many times it fell out.

Hey joe, im so damn sick of carrying this rat around, but last night I couldnt help myself, I had to know what color I should die his hair so it matches my shirt.........

Needless to say, i waited a little while longer in the night, and with the help of some of my sorority sisters, we stole the rats.

And took them home to love and pet and call them george. (rimshot)

So now i do not know what to do. I don't want to cause trouble for my sorority but this is an absolutely disgusting "tradition" that i can not beleives continues today.

I am appalled that you stole a snakes meal to be quite honest....

Does this happen at other Sigma Pi chapters or is my school just lucky to have such an upstanding fraternity?

I'm not sure but I think that was sarcasm.....

Please, any comments or insights would be appreciated. I would also like to hear from other sigma pi's. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Bored at work today guys. I dont think anything Ive said puts me on troll status.

Thank you for posting such an insightful message, (cough) wackjob (cough) While no one condones hazing, let it be known that we here at greekchat are dying to know just one thing....

What did you name the rats?

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why do I think, with the number of simple grammatical, punctuation and spelling mistakes above, that this person is much younger than college age.

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As someone who looks at resumes of college graduates seeking gainful employment, I can assure you that this particular person (troll or otherwise) does NOT have the market cornered on poor grammar, spelling or punctuation.

KABillyMac, while I usually find myself in agreement with you, I think the diatribe posted above does nothing to support the assertion in your signature.

Brad

Exhaustive yes, but anything for a cheap laugh. Cant a guy have a chuckle around here anymore?

Ok wanna know what I really think about this post. I think it came straight to us courtesy of the dynamic texas wacko duo. I think its more than likely a nice pile of ardvark crap that someone dreamed up on fraternitysecrets.com and regurgitated here to see what we would think of it. Now you can look at some of these posts, say to yourself "hey, that really makes me mad, im gonna prove this person wrong" and go on and on till your blue in the face trying to prove the other party wrong or you can pick it apart and make some 10 cent comedy out of it. I think ive argued enough topics on here and spewed out enough facts to entitle myself to a good laugh at the expense of someone that has the nerve to come to a public sight and attempt to bash one of the biggest national fraternities.

Not only did I get a kick out of it, I also gained more points in my quest to trolldom.

Fair enough.

Brad

Brad, it also probably cost me all of my cheap laugh points for the month, so it wasnt exactly a win-win situation.

i like rants (not rats) as much as the next person, but implying that a girl automatically was having sexual relations with a guy because she was in the house or says she had to use the bathroom is pretty obnoxious. i love it when guys think that way. gawd. next time watch what you're typing because while she may or may not be in a sorority, it does give a bad name to sorority girls or even girls in general.

marissa

Yes yes, it was all in bad taste and we have already been over this and to punish myself today when I got home from the office i cut off my thumbs with a concrete saw. I thought that was suitable. Anyone that knows me knows that is not how I view women.

Ok lets look at her post as valid, and this actually happened, which it may well have (I personally doubt it, but thats one mans opinion). The lady got a first hand dose of hazing rearing its ugly head. So as a animal rights activist, she goes back and saves the rats. Kudos to her for having the guts to do that cause honestly, no telling what kind of hell that kid had to go through when te actives found out he lost his rat. But in essence, she did the right thing and a hairless rat may live to be fat and healthy because of her heroics. Also, for her, lesson learned. She can take what she has seen of hazing back to her chapter and know how NOT to treat pledges.

So in conclusion, no disrespect to her, the rats, or anyone involved.

okay okay. good deal. glad to know you're really a good guy. seriously.

marissa

ummm...?
 

anyone else notice that this kinney9 person has yet to show up again to the board she started and wanted feeback on? just a thought...

monica

Re: ummm...?
 

Beat me to saying it! Gotta love troublemakers who start but never finish...

You read my mind. Could it be another identity of the resident troublemaker?:rolleyes:

oh my goodness... she REALLY must be dense. i mean... i personally have seen hazing and know what goes on. i even know of an instance in which a frat's whole pledge class de-pledged and only came back on the guarantee that rules would be followed. no guy is stupid enough to put up with more than he thinks is fair... as for being in the house during hell week... ummm.. that does not happen! even for girlfriends! i know this, cause all of my friends date in different frats and NONE of us were allowed to see our bfs in the house, even if they were upperclassmen. i personally did witness some 'hazing', but it was all in fun and AFTER initiation... they seemed to be enjoying some sort of mock violence. whatever. just keep in mind... frat boys DO get fratty every so often!

(clears throat)...frats?:(

touche.
It seems on gc that most of the females don't have a problem with that word.

I would have to agree that no one is allowed in the houses during new member activities. I went to our Sig Pi house to deliver something last semester, and as soon as I pulled in the driveway, there were like 6 brothers there to greet us. One of the guys I know pulled me aside and asked if he could help me with something because they were having a new member function. So, I really doubt some random girl would be allowed to see a hazing activity.

Themore I read, the more I believe this is major league trolling; HOWEVER, different chapters of the same organization treat not only their pledges differently, but their pledge activities differently. I have seen chapters haze pledges right in front of their house, while others are very secretive. What a chapter of FRATERNITY A does often means very little about a different chapter of FRATERNITY A.

Brad

i think the most disturbing thing, other than the spelling, is that she would love animals so much that she would recruit her sisters to steal...DEAD RATS....not just dead rats...but stinky bald rats. Now you are in possession of dead, stinky, bald rats...wouldnt that make you the weird one?