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Chi Omega vs Delta Sigma Theta
I'm confused, I've heard both sororities say they are the largest. Does anyone really know what the book says. I'm not starting anything negative I'm just curious.
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I believe (and I could be wrong) that Chi Omega has the most initiated, but Delta Sigma Theta has more actual chapters.
Barbara |
Why? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif
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not starting anything negative I'm just curious" I'm thinking that's all I need to say to ask the question. I've just heard both organizations say the same thing. If I'm going to repeat what they say I want to get it right. PguinTrax? Are you a Gamma Sigma Sigma as well as a Zeta Tau Alpha? |
Jaybee,
No, just a ZTA. There was/is no GSS chapter at my college. Barbara |
Keep in mind that Chi O is a NPC sorority and DST is a NPHC sorority.
Does it really matter though? |
On ANY GIVEN TIME, each Fraternity/Soroity are the Biggest of everything! Days go by and times change. Chapters are added and subtracted! There never is a stand still!
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This is similar to the "which was the first sorority--Pi Phi, Theta, Gamma Phi Beta, ADPi, or Phi Mu?" question that always is asked.
According to each of the organizations' sites, XO has over 240,000 initiates, while DST has over 200,000. Regardless, they're both pretty big groups. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif And that's that. |
Founding dates of NPC's
ADPi- 1851 Phi Mu- 1852 Pi Phi- 1867 Theta- 1870 (janurary) Kappa- 1870 (october) Alpah Phi- 1872 DG- 1873 Sigma Kappa- 1874 (Nov. 9) Gamma Phi- 1874 (Nov. 11) AChiO- 1885 Tri-delt- 1888 AZD- 1893 Chi-O- 1895 AOPi- 1897 (jan) KD- 1897 (oct) Tri-Sig- 1898 (apr) ZTA- 1898 (oct) Alpha Sig tau- 1899 Alpha Sig- 1901 DZ- 1902 AGD (WOOHOO)- 1904 AEPi- 1909 Theta Phi- 1912 Phi Sig- 1913 DPhiE- 1917 (mar 17) SDT- 1917 (mar 25) just incase anyone was interested. [This message has been edited by UMgirl (edited June 20, 2001).] |
Alpha Sigma Tau was founded in 1899 not 1889. I'm sure it was just a typo. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
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To answer the question JayBEE! originally asked, Delta Sigma Theta has 292 chapters (2nd behind Alpha Kappa Alpha with 330) and 85000 initiates while Chi Omega has 174 chapters (3rd place) and 225000 initiates. These numbers are accurate as of 1997. So it depends on what you mean by "larger" in terms of chapters or initiates. If you mean number of initiates, it's Chi Omega. If you mean number of chapters, although Delta Sigma Theta has more than Chi Omega, neither is the largest (AKA is).
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I have seen Deltas boast about being the largest Black women's organization so many times. I suspect that if JayBEE asked which organization is larger, Alpha Kappa Alpha or Delta Sigma Theta, the question would have been answered. Not asked, why do you want to know.
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[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited June 21, 2001).] |
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Tell me how HOW HOW HOW we went from 292 chapters in 1997 to 950 CHAPTERS in 2001. EXCUSE ME BUT I WAS INITIATED IN DELTA SIGMA THETA in 1997 and I KNOW WE HAD more than 85,000 members/initiates in 1997. How could we go from 85,000 in 1997 to OVER 200,000 in 2001. BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO ANSWER A QUESTION CONCERNING MY SORORITY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT or USE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY!!! |
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The only thing that matters point blank, bottom line, is IS THE SISTERHOOD PROMOTING THEIR IDEALS, PRINCIPLES, TENETS, BELIEFS, MISSIONS, etc. All of the other stuff is just that STUFF!! Funny how it is outsiders to our respective orgs that are trying to stir up tension. I love that the AKAs, ZPhiBs, and S G Rhos are doing their thing. Sisterhood should UPLIFT and SUPPORT not hate and trample upon. Some of you all as non-members and members alike need to learn that and remember that. [This message has been edited by CrimsonTide4 (edited June 21, 2001).] |
If I'm not mistaken, this post was simply created to end some confusion, not to stir up "controversy". Both organizations claim to be the largest group of its type. There was no mention of AKA until later. It certainly doesn't look like the intent was to stir up tension between AKA and DST--if someone sees that in the post, then that's another issue and another forum.
If one is claiming to be the largest sorority (overall or in each governing body) or second largest women's organization (behind the Girl Scouts) and they're NOT, now isn't that misrepresentation--also known as LYING? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif |
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Yep, sorry about that lil typo http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif. Thats what I get for typing in the wee hours of the morning after only getting 4 hours of sleep http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif
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since the difference between 950 and whatever that other number was was pretty big, perhaps SAEactive left out alumnae chapters? It seems like a perfectly innocent mistake and I don't know why you all feel the need to jump down his throat. People are entitled to make mistakes, it's not like he was intentionally insulting your organization. And if SAEactive's most likely innocent mistake could really bother you THAT much, maybe your priorities are in the wrong place. Just politely correct him and then laugh it off.
Besides, to bring up that age old expression, size doesn't matter. Speaking from myself, I love Kappa, I will always love being a Kappa, and it doesn't matter to me what orgs are larger/smaller than mine because of that. I'm sure you have as much pride in DST as I have in KKG, and isn't that the most important thing? Who cares about who has more chapters, or who other people think has more chapters? That shouldn't really matter if you really love the organization you are a part of. [This message has been edited by BlueandBlue (edited June 21, 2001).] [This message has been edited by BlueandBlue (edited June 21, 2001).] [This message has been edited by BlueandBlue (edited June 21, 2001).] |
Lying, Misrepresentation...
Give me a break AlphaChiGirl. Tell it to our Nationals...don't hate. |
DST claims to have 200,000+ members....Chi Omega has over 240,000 initiates. As far as active chapters go, we don't include our alums in that number so maybe that's why there are differences.
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ChiOCutie...I know you all have 240,000 members, I have nothing against your sorority, okay? There might be psychos who do, but I don't. Do you even read all the posts?
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12dn94dst and CrimsonTide4,
Is jumping down my throat about information I found in print in my Fraternity's nationally published pledge manual consistent with the ideals of your organization's founders, hhmmm?!? Additionally, when someone asks me how many chapters my Fraternity has, I respond with the number of UNDERGRADUATE chapters and colonies. Sure our alumni work just as hard as we do. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for them and there are probably more chapter and area alumni associations than there are undergraduate chapters, but if some people are counting all of them and others just the undergrads, you'll never be able to communicate because you won't be talking about the same thing. The truth is (whether you like it or not), most people only count the undergraduate chapters when asked how many chapters they have because that is the context with which most people are familiar, unless of course you specify alumni chapters as well. I'd like to personally thank BlueandBlue for remembering the ideals and temperance required of anyone who would call themself Greek and know what it meant. You should listen to her more. I'm very good friends with a Delta and I know for a fact she wouldn't have acted so immaturely over the report of a printed number. She, in fact, is one of the most kind, patient, intelligent and considerate individuals I've ever had the priviledge of associating with and I'd much rather believe that SHE is a typical Delta rather than the both of you. Consider who you represent before reacting the next time you're tempted to lose control of yourself. |
Interesting. Why do I want to know? Because I want to tell individuals the truth, and not later find out it was a lie that I told them.
I want to know, and I wanted to clear up my confusion, So I simply asked. Something you should do if you do not know. Does size matter? That's not even the issue. Size doesn't mean that all individuals that go to that organization are in the best organization. But if asked by a none-phi-none, I rather appear to be on speaking terms with all organizations than appear to be an isolated organization that totally disregards the accomplishments of other organizations. I never said Alpha Kappa Alpha. I never said fraternity. I just mentioned Cho Omega and Delta Sigma Theta. Simply because I knew Delta Sigma Theta was the largest organization until I saw another comment by Chi Omega on another post saying that they are they second women largest organization next to the girls scouts. More Questions? Is Chi Omega international? And if they are not, then Delta Sigma Theta would be the largest womens organization in the world and Chi Omega would be the largest in the United States. What Chapter name is each organization at? I apprieciate the information transferred. Please don't make any comments if you can't answer with something positive to say. Debates are rich in individual growth, but when you find respect for individuals, your actually showing respect for yourself. Thanks for everybodies comments ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
Okay, folks. RELAX, RELATE, RELEASE !!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
Must we say, over and over and OVER again... Those who know, SPEAK; those who don't, sit back and LEARN . The ONLY respondents to this question (which I still don't see why it was asked in the first place http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif ) should have been members of DST and ChiOmega. Officially, the correct answer can only come from the respective National offices. NOONE ELSE KNOWS THE ANSWER and their responses are pure speculation (even if it is printed in THEIR fraternity manual!). A wise man once said that it is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. ------------------ MCCOYRED Mu Psi '86 BaltCo Alumnae Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913 |
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No I am not trying to berate and belittle people because they thought they were "helping" by providing information that they had, but sometimes your "help" is misguided. To all others who thought our reactions were EXTREME, all I really can say is until you have walked a MILE in MY SHOES, please do not judge my reactions. |
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I don't think it was a bad question considering that depending on what board you are reading, the quote about 2nd largest only to the Girl Scouts has been over-used. I have heard it from both. I don't think the question had any ill-intent, but rather a clarifying purpose since I myself have wondered that before. Its not that it matters who is the bigger group, but for clarification, it is helpful. No, I myself do not keep a record book of who is who in terms of size, initiates, chapters, alum chapters, deceased members, etc...but like I said - I've read it both ways, and was just curious to see some numbers. Perhaps the question could be answered by checking each national website - I don't know -- I usually don't wander around checking out other websites. I also think that there was an immediate and ill-tempered response from some people for whatever reasons. Maybe number of initiates or chapters is secret. If so, just say that. No need for all the tension whether brought on by others, or self-imposed. |
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So to sum it up, please don't tell us what we should view as our chapter numbers. ------------------ #10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999 Currently: MAL, Southern Region [This message has been edited by DST Love (edited June 21, 2001).] |
And to add to my previous post, in the Divine 9, one can JOIN at the alumn(ae)(i) level. Therefore, our alumn(ae)(i) chapters do not consist of just people who moved from the undergrad level. They consist of brand new members as well. Now do you see why we view our alumn(ae)(i) differently?!
------------------ #10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999 Currently: MAL, Southern Region |
AXO moderator- I have so much respect for you because you are a great moderator but from two of your posts re:
"the quote about 2nd largest only to the Girl Scouts has been over-used" ..AXO is being a little bias-don't you think? For all that my sisters and I have gone thru-don't you think we are allowed to get a little excited about being second to a wonderful organization like the Girl Scouts? One day- an AXO might be president- I hope you and your sisters boast about it constantly!!!!! and I will be right there celebrating with you- because we are all Greek. Sue |
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Chi Omega Fraternity (the NAtional HQ) states that Chi Omega is the "Largest Women's Fraternal Organization."
Interpret as you will. I agree subtle differences are key, and that's what makes it not lying. |
JAYBEE-
The internet is a wonderful source of information and research. I do not, however, believe that a public message board that is subject to the poster's opinions and own misinformation is the best source for this type of quatifiable information. I beleive you yourself said you have seen these various staements through out the board- why would you think you would get a different answer to ask the question in Greek Life? The same initial posters could easily come in here and give you the SAME CONFLICTING ANSWERS! I believe this not only for this question but for any specific infomration about any org. Look at the source. While I know I have many wonderful Sorrs on this board, YOU do not know many of us and therefore are seeking information form an unknown source. All of these posts are annonymous and not the place to put all your reliance. I mean would you quote "I read it on Greekchat" in a paper, article work memo, etc. as your reliable, credible source? Not that i believe that we generally give misinformation on purpse here on GC, but really now, not the basket wehre I am putting my egs. Furhter, many of the responses came form people who were not members of neither DST or XO. Again, answers certainly not coming rorm the source. If knowing this particular truth is of that much importance, the best place to resolve your dilema would have been through the websites of the organizations and their chapters. Beyond that, I think this question is difficult for anyone to answer outside of National Headquarters. A simple web search will reveal that 1. DST and XO are not the only Sororities to have themselves listed as the largest on thier websites; and 2. Often, these claims come with subtle distinctions. DST is called "the larget NPHC Sorority" or "the largest Sororirty founded by and comprised of predominantl African-American women" This, is everyday conversation, particularly amongst Balck Greeks may be reduced to simply "the largest Sorority" in ther relevant frame of reference. DST has also been hailed as the "largest service Sorority" as we were specifically founded for that purpose and have excelled as a private, non-profit service Sorority for the last 88 years. Another distinction I have found has been that of National v. International and members v. chapters. I have found references to DZ as the largest Sorority internationally and the 2nd largest Nationally. I have found references to XYZ having the most chpaters and ABC having the most members. I do not think, given the body of data and possible, credible interpretations of your query that the question was sufficiently crafted to yeild the answer you were seeking. If you are that concerned with diseminating misinformation- don't give any at all. No one needs you to be their Greek org encyclopedia and no answer is definitely better than the wrong one. TO the rest_ I think many of you have misread and misinterpreted my SOrors reactions. We hold our beloved Sorority VERY dear to our hearts. We do not see the need for the comparison at all and find that comparisons between NPC and NPHC orgs are frequently not based on the same frame of reference. To see a post that thoroughly mis-states information about our orginization b a non-mmeber is ironic since the point of this entire thread was to stop the disemination of misinformation. I mean when we talk about he fear of telling someone a lie- PLEASE! We are not talking national security here. No one is maliciaously calling DST or XO the largest Sorority. The lying aspect is realy not that deep. BTW- I am not jumping down anyone's throat. Just likeit may be your opinion that Iam, what I have written here is my opinion. Accept my opinion as that and I will do the smae for you. You have give respect to get respect. |
I'm trying to figure out the point. Where and how did Chi Omega get into the mix of a numbers game compared to Delta Sigma Theta? Though we are both sororities, there is a vast difference. No disrespect to Chi Omega because I don't know there history but I do know that we are the largest sorority of BGLOs.
------------------ "Director" #2 LaMarque Alumnae Chapter Spr 99 |
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Actually I do place some credability in in this forum but like all forms of media, you have to make your own decisions on what's being claimed by any organizations members or the web. So when stated the previous controversal statement, it was to make an attempt or place an effort towards stopping the "the disemination of misinformation" Not saying that it would be successful but saying that more people know a little bit more right now.
------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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My post was not meant to create tension. I'm not sure how it was interpreted as such. Unbunch those panties ladies. I said I have seen Deltas boast about being the largest, and it is true. If it will make you feel better, I have seen members of the other organizations boast about various other things. I'm sure all of us have tooted our horns about one thing or another. |
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