Conclusion- "women are dumb"....
 

Got your attention? Good...

This thought has been reoccuring for weeks now, more so in the past week where....I've had a girl I know become pregnant by a guy who "loves" her, although he seems to forget where she now lives...and...had a fraternity brother cheated on by his g/f twice in the last 3 months, and just found out about both. He's the nicest guy anyone will ever meet, and got completeley fucked with emotionally and mentally, he's a damn wreck.

We've all discussed this on this site before, to some extent. Normally, when ladies make no sense to us gentlemen, the ladies of GC clarify answer our inquiry of "why are girls so stupid sometimes?" with "oh, she just has bad judgment" or" she's not worth the effort." I tried to give it all the benefit of the doubt, assuming that it was just bad luck that my buds have been running across these "poor judgment" girls. Then I realized....an overwhelming MAJORITY of women I've met are..in no particular order...
indecisive, overemotional, illogical, in condensed terms...

totally free of rational thought, especially when it invloves admitting to themselves that they actually a) love someone or b) have someone that loves them. Love seems to be what women search for, the whole knight in shining armor deal. Then, when he comes along, he's not asshole enough to spark her interest. No thrill of the hunt, no challenge, she's not interested. Leaving the nice guy alone wondering where he went wrong.

The overall question here is this, posed by a comment my friend Kirsten made "If a guy wants a girl, he has to be a dick, make it seem like he doesn't care, THEN he has to be nice, cause that's what a girl really wants."

Is this the extent of it ladies? No point in being nice till after we've acted out and played the little game of hard to get?

Now, I've seen this, played this game, gotten the girl before, but when I sit and actually think about it, and if this is the truth, there is absolutley VERY LITTLE reason to try and be a gentleman, seeing as the majority of women will ignore that and think you a loser for being nice. Does that make ANY sense?

For some reason, as discussed in a previous post, this mindframe seems to dissapate after a woman nears or hits 30. So, is that it? Don't try to make sense of a woman who won't make sense until she's 30?

Of course, these generalizations don't speak for everyone but, it seems to be way more than just coincidental.

Again, I'll clarify, NOT all women, there are some sweeties out there, not all hope is lost, but quite a few, especially in the age range of 20-25,26. I know it might be just a maturity issue, but, it would be interesting to hear different takes on this.

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Oh wow and my posts draw fire! lol

PKTSU01, mabey you and your friends need to re-evaluate the qualities you look for in a girl! Yes we ALL lokok for a challenge. But, we all DONT play with your emotions. I think age and experience has alot to do with things. I hope you realize that there are many beautiful girls out there that are ready for you to make them your princess. Good Luck and PM me if you still need help figuring us out!!!!!!
Andrea;)

WOW! I'm speechless. :eek:

I'm not as sympathetic as Alphasig to characterizing women like you have. I admit there are some girls who may fit your categorization, just like there may be one or two guys of your ilk who are actually mature and could possibly possess some communication skills.

With regard to meeting only girls who are indecisive, overemotional, and illogical--have you tried meeting girls who are out of high school, that may help.

Seriously though, I can tell you are frustrated. Personally, I can't identify with what you've said. Most of the girls I know DO NOT want to play games with guys and can see through most dickheads as you call them.

I have no idea of your circumstances, but try to interact with girls away from clubs or other situations where people of both sexes shift into a players mode. If you want them to appreciate who you are, you have to relate to them in a way that your positive virtues show through. For example, work with some of the girls one on one by helping in one of the philanthropy projects

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With regard to meeting only girls who are indecisive, overemotional, and illogical--have you tried meeting girls who are out of high school, that may help.

see...there's the frustrating thing. These women I am talking about are not in high school, we're talking later in college, many actually in private sector, well paying jobs. Intellectually smart, good people, just with horrible judgment.

The meeting girls out of high school remark was in jest.

i know ;)

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haha, i actually agree with this - mostly b/c you were non-inclusive with your terminology, you said the majority and not all - most women are indecisive - we want to make everyone happy, our parents, our boyfriends, our friends - so when we are thrown into a situation, where to go for dinner, who's friends to go out with, which family to celebrate thanksgiving with - we don't want to disappoint anyone so we make the guy decided. of course this applies to most - and i can honestly say, it also applies to 'most' of my friends. over-emotional.... haha, yeah, we've all had our experiences with that one, though i'd rather be over emotional than unemotional, i like to feel things, keeps it real. illogical i'm not buying though - damnit i took a logic class and it was hard but i got an A ;)

Don't roll the guy like this - you can't play both sides. You deny the antecedent, then pop off something completely analogous and assert it as true - and then you wonder why he's frustrated? I'm not particularly sympathetic to this sort of editorialization on your part.

OK, well this is actually fairly solid advice - but it doesn't really address the OP. One of his stated problems was that girls don't want to appreciate the 'positive virtues' of potential dating prospects - that's part of his frustration. Now, whether or not this is a valid generalization on his part is another argument - but it's subjective, and so perception quickly becomes reality, right?

I wish I could help you more, PKTSU - I think that nearly every guy here can empathize in some way, and most of the girls can come up with similar examples from the other side. That's the biggest problem and simultaneously the biggest draw of relationships - people are dynamic, and they'll never cease to amaze and shock you with the things they'll do, say, or believe.

All I can say is, just keep on - don't sell the farm b/c that's what you think women will respond to. It's frustrating, i know, but it's better than selling yourself out.

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Actually, that comment sounds more like men than women...you know, the whole "committment phobia."

For some reason, men always think that women are all crazy, and many women think the same of men. While both sexes have made good points on this thread, all I really have to say is that for as many stupid women there are out there, there is an equal number of stupid men. Maybe the breakdown of idiots-to-rational people in your area is just not proportionate. :D

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Well said. I think that there are just as many "dumb boys" as there are "dumb girls". Now if we could just find a way to make sure they found each other and left the rest alone...

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Karen, if you could do that, I think you should be the next President!

Oh, I have ideas but I'm not sure any are legal or ethical! Gosh, I sound like Dr. Evil

Hmmm....well, I won't go into a tirade because I figure you just wrote half that stuff to geta reaction.

With regards to your fraternity brother who got cheated on, I hate to let you in on this little secret but college isn't exactly a breeding ground for healthy, respectful relationships. Further, the fact is that many more men than women are unfaithful. Go into any sorority house (or classroom for that matter)and ask how many women have been cheated on vs. how many have cheated. I think you would be surprised. I also think that maybe that the maturity of the women (and men) you know is the major reason why you have such a bad impression of women and what they want. Give it a few years and I think you'll be in a very different spot. :)
It sounds like unfortunately you have had some bad experiences, so I can understand your skepticism. But don't place labels on women in general. That could be part of the problem you're having. You expect the worst and seem to be getting it. How are you expecting to have a reasonably healthy relationship when you're priority is playing games?

As far as women liking Bad boys who treat them like shit, that's what a lot of men like to think, for some reason. I don't know any women who enjoy being treated like crap and who go looking for it. Well, I'm sure there are women who like that but they're usually on Jerry Springer or Jenny Jones and have major issues. So basically, I think that assumption a poor misconception that a lot of men use to explain why they are single. :rolleyes

In any case, good luck!

I'm not quite sure what to say to that other than DAMN! Just make sure you have somewhere you can duck and cover from all of the replies from women you're gonna get!

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KSigRC said: Don't roll the guy like this - you can't play both sides. You deny the antecedent, then pop off something completely analogous and assert it as true - and then you wonder why he's frustrated? I'm not particularly sympathetic to this sort of editorialization on your part.

I presumed much of his characterization was taunting in jest, so my reply at that level was simply a toss-back and was appropriate. Am sorry you missed the point. Next time I'll footnote it for you.

KSigRC also says: Now, whether or not this is a valid generalization on his part is another argument - but it's subjective, and so perception quickly becomes reality, right?

Yep, it may be his reality, but since he's seeking opinions, I presume he wants to change that perception...ergo, my reply.

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AMEN to that!

Actually I gotta put it like this and say I agree with Iowa and PKTSU and Karen too.

I think the immaturity thing comes from these women trying to act MORE mature then they actually are (I have friends like this :rolleyes:. When you try to be something you arent we all know you just end up looking STUPID

This chick takes no offense, cuz sometimes as my mama put it....truth hurts. And he did say a majority, not all.

It's no coincidence that my husband to be is also an SAE, a TRUE GENTLEMAN. :D

ha ha ha ha that is toooooo fuuuuunnnnyyyy-LMAO ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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haha - Thanks, I'd appreciate that, I'm apparently not a very clever boy. Some annotation would be fantastic, ace.

We think many guys are like that too....minus the overemotional part.

"How do you write women so well?"

"I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."

I remember the original poster made a lot of really bizarre posts and then left GC altogether. I also remember I dropped a comment on him at some point which resulted in a nasty PM from him.

Do I really? :rolleyes: ;)


I want someone who will treat me right and stay faithful--that's the type of girlfriend that I am and I expect it back. But, in college, that's almost too much to ask--what is a college student, but a high school student a year or two removed? Maybe I'll find a healthier, more mature relationship in grad school, but on the same token, what is a graduate student but a college student plus a few months (at least that's true in my case)? I say age does not equal maturity, experience does. With age comes experience, but it's not the whole sha-bang.:rolleyes:

I just wanted to point out that this thread originated in 2002, lay dormant for a while and has now been recently bumped.

KTHXBYE.

Experience does not bring maturity. Thats a myth. And a dangerous one.

church and tabernacle on that!

Touche--I thought about that after I posted. But I think it's more plausible than "age brings maturity." That's an even more dangerous one.

One of my favorite quotes is:
"Judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement. " - Simon Bolivar

I agree and disagree with you PB.

No, I can't change a guy. A guy has to want to change himself 1st. I totally wouldn't try and change a guy, because I wouldn't find interest in him in the 1st place if I feel he's someone that I would have to try and change.

I've always wanted a faithful old fashioned guy who has the same moral values that I have. Ya know, a guy that would put me 1st like I would him, not someone that doesn't care anything about me. I've never cheated and I never will. I like the old fashioned, faithful, true gentleman. Kinda reminds me of someone.;)

Exactly - the "I'm in my 30s/40s/50s/etc. and am now more knowledgable" bugs me. I have seen 22 year olds make very mature decisions with their relationships, and people in their 30s and 40s make horrible relationship decisions. Age just doesn't have so much to do with it.

Well thank the lord that you're around to tell us what we want out of relationships. Just today I was sitting here going, 'I really need to find an asshole for my next boyfriend.' Then you came along and now I am saved from the trauma! I'm so glad you're here to help out the helpless weak women of the world.

I can't even say anything. He totally had that coming. :D

lol :p

Poor PB. :(

That's cool.

centaur, cheerfulgreek and christiangirl you ladies have your own opinions and you're entitled to them. Of course, I don't think all women like bad boys, but I do believe a lot of them do. I just agree with the OP that's all.

Based on christiangirl's posts she doesn't seem to like bad boys and I know cheerfulgreek isn't into bad boys, so again I'm not saying all women.

Lol, I think the baddest boy I'd ever consider dating would be Mr. "Order me a winky dinky dog." :p ;) (yes, I'm still laughing about that PB)

I see your point, though. A lot of girls at my school are like that, but that many more are not. On the contrary, I like a man who can respectfully hold his own. I HATE PUSHOVERS. Lol, if I ever told my husband to leave the comfort of his own bedroom that he pays half the mortgage for and go sleep on the couch and he ACTUALLY DID IT, I'd completely lose respect for him. My ex was such a yes-man, that we ended up fighting about it. I found myself screaming, "FIGHT WITH ME! TELL ME NO! SAY I'M WRONG! SOMETHING!!!" When I finally pissed him off and he argued back, it was the sexiest I'd ever seen him (and that's saying alot, old boy was uglier than Shrek). I have a very forceful personality and am the type who steps over the line every so often. I want a man who will check me on it, because I'd check him in a heartbeat if he crossed the line with me. So no, I don't want an idiot who treats me badly. But if treating me like a queen means being a doormat, then I'll walk straight over him and onto the next guy.

Boy, is he going to have a mouthful to say about this one.

I can hear him now.:rolleyes: