Social vs. Service
 

I am not trying to cause any arguments here, but rather I am just trying to get some opinions.

Here is the situation, we have 16 social fraternities on campus, and 11 social sororities. We, the fraternities, generally mix with each sorority atleast once a semester. Lately, like the last two years, the service sororities have been having mixers with some of the houses on campus, and participating in certain events, usually left up to the social houses. This is angering many of the sororities on my campus, and even some fraternities. Case in point, one service sorority participated in Greek Sing, although they do not participate in Greek Week. I am not sure if the fraternity they were paired with didnt have another partner or what, but if they would have placed in the top three, those points they collected would of been wasted, since they do not participate in Greek Week. Is this right? They do not pay the same fees on campus, such as Panhel, and I am not sure they have to pay the insurance that we do either. I am not sure where I stand, but no disrespect to the service ladies on GC, but aren't they crossing some lines they shouldn't be. It is like they are trying to be a social house, but hide behind the letters of a service organization. No one on campus watches them when they have "pledges" and they have been known to haze and have pledges for 12+ weeks. No only does this seem crazy for a service organization, but any organization at that.

Does this seem strange to anyone else, or is this normal and it is finally just happening at our campus? Let me know.

Dude that's pretty crappy. If IFC and panhel control the greek system and events on your campus, bring this up with them and, if need be, campus officials. Pledge must be regulated to prevent hazing and certain events should require fees for the groups to participate in. At our school the service frat...coed...isn't exactly social. In fact nobody knows what they do or who they are.

I'm curious, which service sorority is it? I'm in Gamma Sigma Sigma Service Sorority myself and I know of a chapter that did participate in Greek Sing on that campus and I think they won. Are we talking about the same place?

I can only speak for my chapter, but we aren't allowed to participate in Greek Week at all and we have known that from day one-however we do participate in other greek-related events (Dance Marathon, Greek Explosion) if we're invited to.

As far as having pledges, we aren't CLOSELY monitored (not that we're hazing-we don't haze at all!!) but our advisor asks about us and how we're doing.

I have had that said to me before, that it seems as though Gamma Sig is trying to "have their cake and eat it too" kind of thing-we don't affiliate with any of the Greek councils, we don't pay the same dues, and we get school funding, and the greeks can't get money from the school. However we do have social events and participate as much as we can on campus. However, there are some things that Gamma Sig will NEVER get to have such as a suite on the greek floor on campus (we're way too small for houses-we're located downtown!) and really NEVER be viewed as a "real greek" organization. And while I'm proud that I'm a service greek, it's kind of not the same no matter how much we participate in with greeks-it's still easy to feel like an outsider.

Hope that cleared it up from my perspective!

In Service,
gamma_girl52
Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority

SigTau--

We had this same problem with sports teams on our campus. Sororities started mixing with the baseball team and the football team and the rugby team and on and on, and yet they wouldn't mix with all of the fraternities. I think that you should remain loyal to the greek community and mix with all of the frats or sororities in there before you go out mixing with every other organization. Besides, isn't part of the draw of frats and sororities being part of a group that gets to do activities with other greeks, something that GDIs aren't invited to partake in?

Just a thought...

A sorority is a sorority and a fraternity is a fraternity. That's it. Why are us service GLO's are looked down upon by social GLO's?
And, yes we have just as much of a right to be recognized on campus as the social ones.

I don't think SigTauJake is trying to say that service Greek organizations shouldn't be recognized. He's just saying that service orgs should be treated the same way and held to the same policies, rules and standards that socials GLO's are if they want to do the same things that social Greeks do. It's not fair for social groups to pay dues for various campus activities and for service groups to be exempt, although they enjoy the same privileges and attend the same types of functions. I think that's what Jake was trying to say. No one was putting down service orgs. Hope this clarifies things a litte.

I agree as well, in that sororities and fraternities have fees to pay to belong to NPC or NIC. They have rules to abide by with membership in these national organizations. I think service groups are a great thing, and would in no way want to lose their place in campuses. I just think that social greeks hold a different place than the service greeks do. It's not that social GLOs are better or worse, just different is all.

I'm not in a service GLO, but a professional one. (Which happens to do a ton of community service). Because none of our "social" GLOs on campus are national, we just had "Greek Council". All of our GLO chapters were in it, professional, service or social. We adhered to the same rules and regulations as the social GLOs, and participated in almost all of the greek events (greek week, greek sing, etc.). Not all of the non-social greeks participated in everything, but they did have the same rules. I think this will be an issue at each campus, but also will vary by how your greek system is structured.

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SigTauJake - I'm glad your IFC voted to stop the mixing thing. We did that at our school too - fraternities mixed w/ the dance team, sororities mixed with sports teams or Pershing Rifles (the ROTC frat who was an entity unto themselves) and it did cause bad feelings.

If service fraternities and/or sororities want to participate in Greek week it should be to (drum roll) perform a SERVICE, like refereeing Olympics or ushering at Greek sing. Like people have pointed out, Greek week and the events aren't free. That's what your IFC and Panhel dues partly pay for. If you didn't pay your dues as a member, you couldn't participate - why should it be different for organizations?

gamma_girl, you said many GSS members are in "social" sororities also. Well to say that GSS should be able to have mixers like the "social" sororities - to me that sounds like double dipping. Obviously you should have social events - I was in APO and we had MANY of them. But we would have never had a mixer-type event. We were proud of our "unique" status as a service fraternity and didn't want to muddy it by doing things that were so strongly associated with "social" Greeks.

Service sororities and fraternities are special - be proud of your specialness!

To clear things up....

I am in no way putting down service organizations, they are a wonderful contribution to our campus, and every campus they are located at.

Gammma_girl, one of the service soroirities doing this is GSS, and they almost did place in Greek Sing this past spring. They did a great job, but they were kinda in it for fun, while the rest of us were trying our hardest to get Greek Week points. So if they would of placed, they would of "wasted" those points, because they were not in Greek Week.

Fraternities were also mixing with the girls rugby team, and the dance team at my school. Sororities were off at the football house, and baseball too. IFC voted to stop this, for legal reasons and it was detracting from the Greek unity on our campus.

I just think that it detracts from the true meaning of what these orgs were founded on, and as gamma_girl says, they want their cake and eat it too. If you want the life of a social greek, you should join a social GLO, i f you can't find one that suits you on your campus, start one. Don't try to make your service GLO a social one, and complain when the social GLO's get mad about it.

I figured that was one of them. What school do you go to, SigTau?

Anyway, I wouldn't NECESSARILY say that having social events is taking away from our overall purpose. Again, speaking for Gamma Sig only, just because we do socialize and have socials with other groups doesn't make us any more a "social" greek organization. Gamma Sig was founded on Service, yes. As a matter of fact I'm sure that ALL GLO's have a duty to serve others. But what's wrong with joining in on greek activities if we're extended an invite? I could see if we were "crashing" in on something that we're we were not asked to be in, but if we're asked to be there and we can be there, great.

And for the record, many Gamma Sigs are members of "social" GLO's as well.

I have to agree. if service org. are going to do the social aspect of greek life then they should certainly have insurence that is for that reason. I know because I have friends in some of these groups and they do somethings that would undoubtly be deemed as hazing for any social group. If service org are going to particate at any level socially then they should be held to those standards of a social group. that is just my opinion. as far as mixing out side of the Greek system-- I think that it should be fine if the group is also mixing with all of the greeks first. Also the insurance thing comes up again.

Well to say that GSS should be able to have mixers like the "social" sororities - to me that sounds like double dipping.

Your speaking like there is a rule against double dipping. I have plenty of friends in both a service organization and a social service organization. But people here are speaking like the only National Greek Lettered Organizations that can have social events are the National Greek Lettered Organizations that are on councils. Let's be real about what we are saying here. If there is a Greek Council Sponsored event, then give
those that are not on the council simple
rules and charge them a extra fee for participation in the events if thats a problem.

It is like they are trying to be a social house, but hide behind the letters of a service organization.

The thing that strikes me about this statement is that it looks upon service organizations not as fraternities or sororities or even a "Service Greek", but just as an NSO. And this view of being a sub organization to other organizations, is one that all National Greek Lettered Organizations do not want to have. Why? Service Fraternities and Sororties are not just service organizations. And Social fraternities and Sororities are also service-doing organizations. So as far as having cake and eating it too, Why are social organizations doing service? I really don't need an answer to that. Because as long as your doing something positive, it not a problem. We are what we are, and when you think of a fratenity or sorority, you will have social aspects. However if your organizations says that you are So-and-So National Service Organization, an NSO, and not a fraternity or sorority, then I can see you only doing service. It's crazy to think that an entire fraternity or sorority should do nothing but service, and not have any social aspects.

He's just saying that service orgs should be treated the same way and held to the same policies, rules and standards that socials GLO's are if they want to do the same things that social Greeks do.

This is a good statement, but it should be altered. It should be stated this way. National Greek Lettered Service Fraternities and Sororiries should be treated the same way and held to the same policies, rules and standards that socials GLO's are if they want to pariticpate in the same functions that is sponsored by the local Greek Council, when they have been invited to participate in a Greek Council sponsored event. The rules and regulations of the Greek Council are rules and regulations of the Greek Council and they should not interfer with the way another organization runs their organization. The only exception should be unless that organization is in an Greek Council event, and then the rules would apply to that National Greek Lettered Service Fraternity and Sororirity just as it would apply to any other social house during that Greek Council event.

The point of all the is that the service greeks do not fit into the professional organization or curriculum organizations. And their national orgnazation has decided that they do not want to be governed by a Greek Council. So we GLSO's that is are between. I believe that because all organizations do service these days that we are now all NGLSO's. National Greek-Lettered Service Organizations.

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Exactly, Jay-bee!

I think IFC and NPC groups shouldn't socially mix with Service groups or local groups for many reasons, but the main reason is:
IFC and NPC are the governing bodies of the social groups and have regulations which make us all play from an epual playing ground, so we all know who can do what and how. These rules superseed chapter rules so we all follow similar risk mangement plans, not to mention insurance.
NPC groups shouldn't mix with teams either for the same reason, what if something happend, only the sororoty has insurance.
About the Greek Week issue:It would be a different story if the service groups were indeed part of an all Greek Council and that council sponsered Greek Week, then I think it would be OK for any Greek Organization to praticiate.
This will always be an issue amoung campuses across the country unles we can set up national regualtions beacuse the different organzations ae set up so differently.

WOW! That sounds so bad... "I think IFC and NPC groups shouldn't socially mix with Service groups or local groups" --
I know that Kappa Delta used to be Pi Delta here at ECU so are you saying that none of the fraternities or sororities should have recognized you because you were local?
I think it comes down to more than insurance and dues being payed, etc. GSS at ECU doesnt try to participate in Greek Week events or anytihng like that, we do participate in Homecoming but that is open to everyone. We know that there is stuff that social greeks do that we dont and we are fine with that and we dont want to change that either. If there is such a big problem with service greeks doing social activities with social greeks, why not change YOUR rules (of many rules) and say that you wont have events with service/other organizations that are not on your council. But then again, should we as service greeks ask you to stop doing volunteer work for the community because you are a "social" organization. I do think some of the sororities on the ECU campus might get a little ticked that Gamma Sig does social events with fraternities but why should they? The fraternities "choose" to do things with us, sororities with problems - talk to IFC about it. Some say we dont have rules to follow, ummm yes we do. We have anti-hazing policies and rules about alcohol and such. The one rule that I know pisses off some of the social sororities is the one about mixers at the fraternity houses, Panhellenic sororities cannot have mixers at the fraternity houses but we can. Again, we are not under your council, so we dont have to follow that rule. We dont pay money to Panhellenic but why should we, we dont do anything with the group. As registered student orgs. on this campus we all get funding from Student Government, Panhellenic always gets a few thousands, which is another issue, seeing as to how your members of different sororities pay dues into Panhellenic, and we get less that a thousand everytime. We could argue that we should get more because we are SERVICE right? Don't answer that.

Anyway, you are right on one thing...

"This will always be an issue amoung campuses across the country unles we can set up national regualtions beacuse the different organzations ae set up so differently."

I don't really have a problem with GSS mixing with the fraternities on campus but I hope you guys have insurance that is sufficant. As far as mixing in the houses, that isn't supposed to be done by Panhellenic groups when drinking is involved, and as we all know there have been some creative solutions. I honestly take the stand that what other groups do is there own business unless it brings down the greek community. To the average GDI service and socail greeks are the same thing, so both our actions can negatively effect each other.

P.S. Pi Delta was a member of ECU's Panhellenic and had to abide by the PH regualtions, that's why they could and DID particiapte socially and otherwise AND were registered as a member, paid PH dues and held council positions, as well as a delegate position.

It is not meant to be limiting, it is meant to be SAFE. I would hate it if a chapter were to lose their charter because of an accident with underinsured groups.

Most NPC ploices CURRENTLY prohibit mixing with uninsured groups (i.e. Service groups without the minimun coverage(Liability and $1,000,000), altheltic groups, and locals as well). IFC groups have insurance, if they were not covered their National Organization wouldn't allow them to be recongnized on a college campus, they average member may not know that, but their President and Tresurer do.

P.S. I never said not to recognize local groups, I said, not to mix socially with them. Rules have changes and the stakes are higher. Regulations are in place, it is up to the group to respect them.

NPC groups do not care about the socials that go on without us, we are not harmed in any way, but what about underage drinking...liability...and so on, if a Fraternity did have a social in their house, against their regulations, their insurance in null and void.

Who has said they were angry about you having parties at houses, it would be your loss not ours, how can we compare?

I just stated that it shouldn't happen for saftey reasons. By the way, it's not only NPC policy not to use Fraternity houses, it is EACH organization's rule as well(NPC). It makes sense for us, we need to give the liablity to the 3rd party vendor, if we didn't it would be solely on US!

The ONLY reason the NPC policy was passed in the first place was in support of MANY IFC groups that had gone dry, might I add that are on ECU's campus! They may have a deadlines, like 2001-2002 to do it, but NPC has been dry FOREVER and they wanted to show IFC nationally that we were in favor of their tough decision. The NPC resolution is NOT any more strict then any NPC group's individual policy, so we wouldn't care anyhow. ECU is a WIDE OPEN campus and is very different than many schools, so we have taken this hard, but to say NPC groups are mad that service groups party at Fraternity houses is a little far fetched to me.

Saftey is the issue. Service groups are awsome, I agree. But our groups are just as awesome and it is in my best intrest to protect/stick up for my group first. And just becasue we are social groups does not mean socials are all we do in that aspect. Social, to me, means well rounded. We do many service projects and social projects, I'm not disputing the facts, I'm just saying, we are on 2 diferent levels, 2 different governing bodies, and we were founded for DIFFERENT reasons. And the confusion of what I said is an example of that difference.

As for funding, we have 700+ members who benifit from our programming, not to metion, Recruitment, so that's why we get more funds. If you want to talk about money, ask IFC how much they get and then you will have a reason to be angry.

Maybe I should have explained a little better, I meant, we shouldn't mix socially if there is alcohol present, the liablity is TOO great. Plus this is coming from an alumna and I always put the chapter's best intrest first, unlike many colligeans.

I feel like we all should respect each other, and that means abiding by EVERYONE's regualtions, and yes that may mean not to socially mix, but that doesn't mean we cannot work together on campus projects and such. We all need support and would never want you to think I disliked your group, just because I think we should have mixers, NPC and Service groups don't mix anyhow, so what's the big deal?
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WOW, I started something with this one...

I meant mixing with alcohol. That was what was going on at our school. IFC houses were having Mixers with GSS. I didnt mean that "socially" we couldn't mix. We have GSS sisters coming to our house on the weekends, and it is cool with everyone.

What Lexi was saying (and got misinterpreted) was that an IFC fraternity should not have a mixer, an event, with GSS or a non-NPC group. She didn't say they should shun them or anything!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

The question is about co-sponsored events, not open parties or hanging out with people. So don't everyone get your knickers in a twist. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

Exactly 33!

At ECU, socially means socials, which means alcohol, that's what I was responding to...the original question.

ECU rarely has "social" events without alcohol, except the occasional BBQ or Speaker (IFC/PH)event. This coming from a campus that has 1-3 socials per week.

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As a member of a social sorority, If service groups want to havce socials with social fraternies, then they should start paying social dues. I'm sorry but if we have to do it,then so should they, if they get the insurance. then I say so be it, until then, I don't think its safe.

This doesn't seem like a big problem to me, It only seems like a problem if someone doesn't get the points if they place high. If that's the case, the NSO can donate the points to the next lower finish, and stagger the rest. If that's the problem

It still doesn't sound like a situation where an organization should get straight denied for participation in the event. epecially after they've paticipated in the event already. If they place high? There really shouldn't be a fear in competition. A positive action will always be the best way to go.

You should not look at the organization's participation. Those are individuals. People just like you. You can deny deny deny, but wouldn't you think it'll be best to just be better organized about it. Professionalism goes a long way. And these people in this organization has friends that are not in your organizations, non-GLO's. Wouldn't positive interaction produce positive statements for all GLOs of the GC?

So let me get this str8
service sorority are ok as long as we do not socialize and try to particpate in GLO activites?
and what is a greek sing?
i am trying to understand here,and i am trying to understand why this is even an issue....

A "Greek Sing" is like Milli Vanilli, you lip-sync to a song or a mix of songs that your organization makes up and then make costumes and dance to the song(s). You can get points at some schools if you win that are added to the weeks total points but at my school, it's just something that the organizations want to do and have fun doing it. There's not a point system during our Greek Week. Actually, sometimes the organizations actually sing the songs, sometimes good and sometimes not so good. It's a lot of fun! One year at my school, a fraternity did a New Kids On the Block song and dressed up like all five of the members. I think they won too!

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P.S. JayBEE...I never said that you did not have insurance. I said we wouldn't plan an event with uninsusred/underinsured groups. That may or may not include you. When I say insurance, I mean the same all NPC chapter's must have to cover SOCIAL events, where there is alcohol present.

Drinking is a difficult issue and if I were a social chair, I would not plan an event with any groups that did not meet our risk management standards, that may or may not include your group, but at ECU that includes service, local, and teams. I don't think my group is too high and mighty to have an event with these groups, I know my chapter is more important than a party that may or may not result in an accident that will jeapordize(sp?) my chapter/members.

It is too important to slide by and be PC about this topic. We shouldn't mix until we have the same rules, like NPC and IFC. We have rules contingent on the others.

If you want to dispute the fact that social organizations don't do as much service as yours go ahead, be my guest! Service groups were founded for that purpose, right?

As for a greek week event, it would be up to the council to invite who they want. Our greek week is funded by IFC, so they get to decide who can participate if it can down to that. But our events, like Greek Sing are in bars and no one can say who can and cannot come.

I wish we could all accept that we joined different groups for a reason, and yes that may mean, we don't do everything everyone else does!

Most NPC ploices CURRENTLY prohibit mixing with uninsured groups (i.e. Service groups without the minimun coverage(Liability and $1,000,000), altheltic groups, and locals as well). IFC groups have insurance, if they were not covered their National Organization wouldn't allow them to be recongnized on a college campus, they average member may not know that, but their President and Tresurer do.

What makes you think that Service organizations are not insured organizations. If we are not insured then it would be highly unlikely that we wouldn't even be able to be on campus as a register organization anyway. I think you are just reaching for an excuse for not sponsoring events jointly on your campus. Jointly sponsored event has been happening all across the nation. the reason is multifold. We have ablities on some campuses that other organizations don't. We consistently do more service events on campuses and jointly sponsored service events will help social organizations get service hours.

I understand the attempt not to shun another organization. But sometimes counciled individuals look at a non-counciled organization as a "not so organized" organization. This can't be futher from the truth. With several campuses with charters and with it's longevity in existence, "National Service Organizations" must be able to protect themselves. We are talking about students here. It would silly not to have insurance.

The main problem is that some Council organizations feel that the playing field they existed on should be elevated above non-Counciled organizations. And anything Such as Service Greeks, should not exist as Greeks at all. aren't they crossing some lines they shouldn't be.

Hummmmm. Come on now. I think that it is absolutely wonderful to have a Service Greek take part in Greek Sing. And the postitive action could only be look at as positive by non-GLO individuals. I think that if you are going to allow a NServiceOrg to take part in your activities, then as a Council, they should develop some sort of registration packet including signing waivers. The alternative is not allowing a highly recognize campus sorority group to perform. That can only be look at as a Negative Council Action by Non-GLO individuals. Think about it.

When it comes to Greeksing, I would be all for it if they participated in thier own category. If a service sorority and a service fraternity wanted to enter, just to show off their talents, and be part of the action of Greeksing then fine. But to have a service sorority and a social fraternity as a team, competing against all social groups, then that is where the problems arise. Greeksing is worth the most points in our Greek Week, and if they place high enough, the social frarternity gets the points towards Greek Week, and the service sorority just uses up those points, and they are "wasted" because they are not part of Greek Week.

As for consistently doing more service projects on campus, that is what you are supposed to do as a service group. As a social group we do more social activites. We have required amounts of service hours every semester, and we as a social fraternity only fall 3 hours short of the requirement that the service fraternities have. We do our own service activities and we do a lot of it.

No one get me wrong, I am all for service organizations, I just don't think that the tradition of Greek Week, at my school at least, is a social greek thing, and it is something that a lot of people don't want to change. Change can be good, but not always.

Do you go to IUP?

I know that none of the Gamma Sigma Sigma chapters can have pledge periods longer than 10 weeks, so I dont know who you are talking about there.

How do you know? Seriously, how do you know that EVERY chapter doesn't? They could tell you that they don't... but are they telling the truth?

How do I know what? That they cant have pledge periods longer than 10 weeks? Well, I know that because I am a sister of a GSS chapter. They have to send in the date that the girls are activated and its all simply math to figure out if it was longer that 10 weeks. How do YOU know that there are doing longer than 10 weeks, are you counting the number of weeks??

You are saying that just because they say it on a piece of paper that they are telling the truth. Paperwork does not always tell the truth, and it is easy to count the weeks of the other pledge programs on campus, just by comparing them to your own.

If you feel that they are doing it for longer than 10 weeks, why dont you take it to the administration?

Because I don't care what they're doing-- that's why I won't report them. It doesn't concern me. I was just trying to point out that maybe some of the people who wrote earlier may be right. Trying to be fair to everyone and smooth over some of the tension in the room. *Thanks Jake, you have a good point about ECUGSS's reply.

(P.S. Jake, I talked to Ronk last night, way to stir up some peeps on the net!)

AMEN!

Everyone seems to be getting angry over nothing. I was a service greek and I transferred and now i am a social greek. I see both points, but people are making such a big deal out of this! NPC and IFC groups are allowed to mix with other groups, some don't but most do (at my school). I enjoy it because i get bored of the same people. When i was in a service sorority, we did mixers and most of the guys we did them with liked it cause it was different. The more we fight over this, the worse it looks. I want to enjoy the rest of my college career not listen to people fight over who can have mixers with who and who can't!! It's just silly to me!!

well i am a Gamma Sig and i know that some chapters dont follow the rules but that goes for any greek letter org...
i dont see the problem with service orgs..
if you dont like them dont deal with them...
whats the big problem? i dont understand
maybe beucase i attended a HBCU we didnt have these issues where i attended....

Can't we all just get along?

I started this thread, and I DON'T have a problem with Service Greeks. I think they are a great addition to any campus. The problem is when a group that does not follow the IFC and Panhel rules on a campus, starts having mixers with groups that do. We, social groups, pay enormous amounts of money towards insurance to cover our asses. If someone gets hurt at our house, we get in huge trouble. If a girl from a social sorority gets hurt, they have insurance too. But if it is a service, they don't. I am just saying that service sororities are doing things on our campus that they shouldn't be, because it is against the rules at MY campus. I just wanted to know what it was like at other campuses. I never said service sorority girls couldn't be socail and have friends, and couldn't hang out. People read things on here and just twist them in their heads. It just gets out of control. This is a perfect example.

Well SigTau, you started it http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

But seriously...this is truly an example of how greeks are different on different campuses. I'm also a Gamma Sig on my campus and we don't have this problem. Then again, my school is not a "traditional" one either-as I said before, our campus is right smack in the middle of Downtown Atlanta. So when you hear the word "greek" on my campus, that's EVERYBODY-GLO's, BGLO's, LGLO's, Service, Asian, Multi-Cultural, everyone. And we don't have a problem doing things together-all this stuff about insurance and liability are not even an issue.

Like binks said, this is a rather useless debate. It's different everywhere, and as I have seen, Gamma Sig is not even considered a greek organization on some campuses. Other places, they are. If you want to do an event with us, cool. If you don't, that's fine too. If you don't think that service greeks should mix with "social" greeks due to insurance and dues and what have you, cool. At the end of the day, I'm still a Gamma Sig and you are still a (insert your organization here) whether we mix or not. I'm just as proud to be a Service greek as you are of your organization.

So let's wrap this up and agree to disagree http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

In Service,
gamma_girl