2015 Indiana Recruitment
 

I wanted to post the tentative recruitment schedule, as it is different from other years. IU will be conducting recruitment in its entirety after break, a true deferred recruitment. As many of you know, Indiana used to have the open house rounds during the first semester and then the rest of recruitment was after break.

PHA Formal Recruitment Schedule, January 2015

22-Party/ Skits
Thursday Jan. 8: Skit Round Day 1
8:00- 8:40
9:00- 9:40
10:00-10:40 Drink Round
11:00-11:40
12:00-12:40
1:00-1:40 Drink Round
BREAK: 1:40-3:00
3:00-3:40
4:00-4:40
5:00-5:40 Drink Round
6:00-6:40
7:00-7:40

Friday Jan. 9: Skit Round Day 2
8:00- 8:40
9:00- 9:40
10:00-10:40 Drink Round
11:00-11:40
12:00-12:40
1:00-1:40 Drink Round
BREAK: 1:40-3:00
3:00-3:40
4:00-4:40
5:00-5:40 Drink Round
6:00-6:40
7:00-7:40

16 Party
Saturday Jan. 10: Philanthropy and Service Round Day 1
9:30- 10:15
10:35- 11:20
11:40-12:25 Drink Round
12:45-1:30
BREAK 1:30-3:30
3:30- 4:15
4:35- 5:20 Drink Round
5:40- 6:25
6:45- 7:30

Sunday Jan. 11: Philanthropy and Service Round Day 2
9:30- 10:15
10:35- 11:20
11:40-12:25 Drink Round
12:45-1:30
BREAK 1:30-3:30
3:30- 4:15
4:35- 5:20 Drink Round
5:40- 6:25
6:45- 7:30

Second Invite/ 9-Party
Saturday, Jan. 17
8:00-9:00 Drink Round
9:20-10:20 Drink Round
10:40-11:40 Drink Round
12:00-1:00 Drink Round
1:20-2:20 Drink Round
BREAK 2:20-4:00
4:00-5:00 Drink Round
5:20-6:20 Drink Round
6:40-7:40 Drink Round
8:00-9:00 Drink Round

Preference Round/ 3-Party (Drinks/Dessert Every Round)
Sunday Jan. 18
12:00-1:15
1:35-2:50
3:10-4:25
4:45-6:00 (optional 4th round)

Bid Night
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2015

40 minutes for first round of recruitment? Is that common? I always thought those were more like 20 minute rounds... especially if you have 22 of them!!

When do classes start in relation to this? Mon the 12th? This leaves me exhausted just reading it.

I assume classes start on the 12th?

Yes, classes begin Monday, Jan. 12. There is a day off for MLK between preference and bid day, as well. I am curious to see how dragging out recruitment this long will affect (tire out) the women in the chapters. So glad I am not having to recruit now!

Interested to see if 40 minute skit round means fewer PMN complaints along the lines of, "They didn't have the time to get to know me--no wonder I only received five second round invites!"

I'm exhausted just reading that schedule. Grueling for the actives and the pnms.

I wouldn't think so, you're still going to allocate probably 3-5 minutes of that round to getting PNMs in and seated (40-5 = 35), 8-12 minutes for the skit (35-10 = 25), and then 3-5 minutes getting them back out...so you're still at roughly 20 minutes of actual conversational time. That even excludes picking up your PNM and getting them to their respective rush location, which is probably another few minutes!

I have a question about statistics from previous years, on 2013 it says that 146 women were not matched in the process, does that mean that those were the women that didn't get to go to Party 3? I was trying to figure out my chances, If I maximize all my options.I figured that the placement rate for that year is actually around 87% if you take out grade drops and girls that withdrew themselves( even if they had "bad" options they still had options I'm guessing)

No, "not matched" means that at bid matching time (after pref and the cards have been signed), they did not match and didn't get a bid. It refers to the end of recruitment, not any lack of invitations during the process. Ones who had no invitations at any point in recruitment are considered to have been "released" from recruitment.

1,735 women registered
1,025 received bids
146 women not matched in process
182 women released for grades
135 participated in preference round and did not receive bids
376 withdrew themselves from recruitment
Nearly 64% of women registered joined chapters
here are the numbers which is why I was confused, so if 136 women participated in Preference and didn't get bids where does the 146 come into play? I was trying to figure out how many girls actually just get Dropped by every chapter as these horror stories online say.

I'm also confused...it seems the two bolded descriptions are the same. I'm wondering what the "146 not matched in process" means, if it doesn't mean that they didn't bid match after pref. Does anyone know if this is really "released along the way?"

OK - so they are changing up the terminology since they actually have grade releases and most other places don't include women who sign up but aren't allowed to participate due to grades. So that would be their term for "released" during recruiitment.

ok, I think I am a bit confused also, and it may be entirely based on being tired, but I was looking at these numbers provided and something seems wrong. If 1,735 women registered, I went back and added up the following numbers:
1,025-women who received bids
146- women not matched in the process
182- women who were released for grades
135- women who participated in preference but did not receive bids
376- women who withdrew themselves from recruitment.

When I added these numbers up I got 1,864, I feel like those numbers should add to 1,735. When I added, I had 129 more then what was originally registered. Like I said, I may be completely missing something, but I still think that the stats provided should add up to the number of women registered. What am I doing wrong?

Could 135- women who participated in preference but did not receive bids
mean SIP (Single Intentionally Preference) or not listing all groups on their card (i.e. going to 3 parties and only putting 2 groups on their card).
Wouldn't that be different than listing all the groups on your card and not be high enough on any bid list to match (as in the 146 women not matched in the process)?

I'm guessing some of the catergories overlap? These numbers come from the IUPHA website. I used 2013 instead of 2014 because 2014 doesn't list how many got cut for grades.

I was at the meeting where they explained the numbers. I am out with my mother. Wil come back to explain.

The 146 women who were not matched were women who sadly received no invitations at some point during the process. This can happen most often to women who rank based on "tiers" or reputation of chapters. They have a full first round and then my preference they have no chapters left. This is why when I give advice to IU PNMs, I encourage them to rank wisely. Do not rank the chapters who traditionally take the smallest pledge classes as all of your tops. Keep a chapter or two who traditionally take larger classes to better the odds.

The 376 who withdrew may have withdrawn at any time. Some choose not to come back early to continues the process even though they made grades. Some drop when they get invitations from chapters in which they are not interested. Some drop after pref and do not rank their pref chapters. Sadly, this is pretty common at IU.

The 135 who attend preference and do not get bids is where I get annoyed. With 22 chapters, if each chapter took 6 more girls all of those 135 would be placed. Six more women added to a pledge class of 38 would not kill anyone. Some chapters will take QAs, some refuse to do so. This is what gives IU such a bad rep recruitment wise. I can't feel sorry for the ones who drop, but these women I feel terribly for. I wish IU pr Panhellenic would fix this if nothing else.

I hope this helps.

The 146 women who were not matched were women who sadly received no invitations at some point during the process. This can happen most often to women who rank based on "tiers" or reputation of chapters. They have a full first round and then my preference they have no chapters left. This is why when I give advice to IU PNMs, I encourage them to rank wisely. Do not rank the chapters who traditionally take the smallest pledge classes as all of your tops. Keep a chapter or two who traditionally take larger classes to better the odds.

The 376 who withdrew may have withdrawn at any time. Some choose not to come back early to continues the process even though they made grades. Some drop when they get invitations from chapters in which they are not interested. Some drop after pref and do not rank their pref chapters. Sadly, this is pretty common at IU.

The 135 who attend preference and do not get bids is where I get annoyed. With 22 chapters, if each chapter took 6 more girls all of those 135 would be placed. Six more women added to a pledge class of 38 would not kill anyone. Some chapters will take QAs, some refuse to do so. This is what gives IU such a bad rep recruitment wise. I can't feel sorry for the ones who drop, but these women I feel terribly for. I wish IU pr Panhellenic would fix this if nothing else.

I hope this helps.

I agree. That would be a good place to start getting things on the right page there. And not a burden for anyone...

So does that mean that getting dropped from every single house is not as common as a lot of the moms and crying girls make it seem? I've heard IU is working to take more girls this year and DPhiE might take more since it's their first year recruiting. I also heard grade cuts might have slightly worse since they raised the GPA and I personally know Atleast 10 girls not coming back because of grades.

just to repeat our guru, there ARE chapters that take quota additions. Looking at previous numbers and using a little logic should get you the information you need.

Ranking isn't a critical part of the process if, like most girls, you get cut by chapters after each round. But frankly a pristine round one can be deadly further down the process.

While you should rank honestly, you don't really know what you want that soon. So then strategy comes into play. Try to remember that this process is weighted in favor of the sororities, not yours. They're the ones doing the picking, not you.

Last year, IU recruitment was changed at the last minute due to a lovely blizzard. We went from having four rounds to three. With that change they had the skits the same day as the open house round. It went so well that they decided to do it again this year. If you have a good skit it works, but after seeing the same skit 22 times, it is hard to keep the energy up.

IndianaSigKap- Any suggestions on figuring out who are the chapters that traditionally take smaller pledge classes or even how many they have taken the past few years? How does a PNM find that out? It's not published by Panhel and the pledge classes can swing wildly depending on how many women a chapter graduated(or didn't come back) the year before. I know of one that traditionally takes a small pledge class and another that traditionally takes a larger one. Other than that, it seems like they are all in the about the 45-55 range. I think it would be really helpful for the PNMs if this information was made known to them during recruitment.

Also, I wanted to comment on the DPhiE comment about them taking a large pledge class because they are new. (edit: this convo was from another thread on this site. I forgot about that when I posted this, but still feel it's relevant so I'll keep it.) Don't count on that. They colonized with 150 members and took a 20 member Fall pledge class. (My daughter has a friend who's a DPhiE) I don't speak for them but I expect them to take a pledge class around the average for IU. There is this perception by some at IU that everyone can get into the unhoused chapters because they don't adhere to "bed quota" and will therefore take anybody, but they are good, proud chapters and competitive to get into as well and don't take "everybody."

Good luck to all the PNMs going through recruitment and try not to take cuts personally. My daughter is a PNM this year as a Sophomore. She was one of the 317 young women, who didn't get a bid after participating in preference round last year. I knew of IU's recruitment reputation, but I have to say I didn't expect even for a minute that she would not receive a bid from one. She took it really hard, seriously considered transferring, but ultimately is back at IU and trying once more. I'm nervous for her, but proud of her for trying again, because it's hard to put yourself back out there for fear of rejection again. Last year was such a mess because of the snow/polar vortex and only having 3 parties because of it. My fingers are crossed that she has a more positive experience this year. If anyone has any suggestions I can pass along to her, please DM me and I will pass them along to her. Thanks!

It's a bit tedious, but most of the IU chapters post a list of their pledge class members somewhere on their websites. You can find a list of all 22 chapter websites at http://www.iubpha.com/22-chapter-profiles and poke around on each site to find a list of members by pledge class. There are also old threads on GreekChat.com from post-recruitement last year that listed the pledge class sizes. I followed the IU threads closely last year while my daughter was going through the "snowmageddon" recruitment, and I'm watching them again this year now that she is on the other side of recruitment. I wish your daughter a positive recruitment!

If you look at the numbers on this site and know every chapter is taking quota you can figure it out. I mean it doesn't matter that much to you if they set their quota at 40 and actually took 42 - it's going to feel as harsh. I would try to keep a couple that take significantly more on the list. Even they probably don't take every quota addition offered them but your chances are greatly improved if one or more of your pref chapters take 65 plus. Or so. I wouldn't want a girl to be so clinical that she makes her choices strictly by the numbers. These are FRIENDS after all.

Last year's IU data:

Indiana University
Bloomington, IN
January 9-20, 2014
No Quota Set
Campus Total Not Set
Registered PNMs=1,900
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Kappa Alpha Theta Beta 1870 (37)
Kappa Kappa Gamma Delta 1873
Pi Beta Phi Indiana Beta 1893 (52)
Delta Gamma Theta 1898 (47)
Delta Zeta Epsilon 1909 (45)
Alpha Omicron Pi Beta Phi 1916-1996/1999 (54)
Delta Delta Delta Delta Omicron 1917 (40)
Sigma Kappa Tau 1918-1994/Colony Spring 2016
Theta Phi Alpha Zeta 1920-1959/2012 (65?)
Phi Mu Delta Alpha 1920-?/1980 (47)
Phi Omega Pi Xi 1922-?
Alpha Chi Omega Alpha Mu 1922 (50)
Zeta Tau Alpha Alpha Xi 1922 (48)
Chi Omega Theta Beta 1922
Kappa Delta Sigma Upsilon 1923-1941/1955 (48)
Alpha Delta Pi Beta Alpha 1926-1952/1984 (71)
Sigma Delta Tau Upsilon 1940 (46)
Alpha Xi Delta Beta Pi 1946-1970/1987 (44)
Delta Phi Epsilon Delta Delta 1946-1952/Colony Spring 2014 (160)
Alpha Gamma Delta Beta Delta 1947
Alpha Phi Beta Tau 1947 (48)
Gamma Phi Beta Beta Phi 1957 (46)
Alpha Epsilon Phi Epsilon Epsilon 1958 (42)
Sigma Sigma Sigma Epsilon Xi 1989-1994
Alpha Sigma Alpha Epsilon Phi 1990?-1994/2013 (Fall 22/Spring 43)

I'm sorry if it sounded like I was insulting DPhiE or Unhoused chapters by insinuating that they don't have standards or anything. I just meant that since we don't have much to go on they might take a larger PC. Anyways we go back tommorow, which I am excited for because I get to meet so many new people! I'll let you guys know how IU's recruitment goes for me and my friends.

I also apologize if I sounded like I was attacking your or your post - I was only trying to clear up some misperceptions, but it's easy for the wrong impression to be perceived when writing a post. Good luck with recruitment!

Also, thank you to those who have helped with numbers, advice and support for me to give to my daughter. She wants this so bad and I truly believe she will make a great sister, if given the opportunity. Wish IU's recruitment was not this way, but it is what it is. Best wishes to everyone participating this week. Stay warm, it's going to be brutal, but at least no snowpocalypse like last year.

@tlynn I hope things go well for your daughter.

with this number of girls, a chapter could take 75 or 100 girls and still be very selective. I hope girls don't think they got a second class chapter just because they have a reasonable pledge class size relative to the pool of rushees.

And if a chapter DOESN'T want to take that many girls, it doesn't make them awful people.

As much as we all hem and haw about IU, I look at that chapter list and see a lot of chapters that have been around for a LONG time and continuously open without having to close and/or recolonize. They must be doing something right.

I just got back from Orientation and I am getting ready for tommorow. So excited! I'll let you ladies know how recruitment goes and come back with any funny stories or observations. As of now I think a lot of girls dropped out or go cut for grades because we are around 1600 I believe( based on PNM numbers assigned by our Rho gams) and almost 2000 signed up.

you should go radio silent until after rush is over. Write everything out but don't share until after. You would hate to hurt your chances over some silly thing you said to strangers.
And the same is true with your Facebook, twitter, all of it. Post little and keep everything vague and happy.

Does anyone know the true number of PNMs beginning recruitment today? I've seen lots of guesses but nothing official from IUBPHA. My daughter asked her rho gamma and said she didn't know. Just curious.

I believe (IndianaSigKap correct me if I'm wrong) that you won't know the number after grade drops and no-shows until the statistics are released after recruitment

Do this. Actives will see things on all forms of social media and it can hurt your recruitment

Ah, that makes sense. For some reason, I thought it was known before then last year. Thanks for the info.

FWIW, my daughter feels she had a great day today, but is not overconfident because she felt that way last year too. She's trying to stay cool and calm, and doing a pretty good job, but I know she's a bundle of nerves.

Hang in there everyone!

Hope your daughter and all of the girls are staying warm! It was brutal this morning.

Chapter may know how many women came back, but they may not know which women were automatic grade drops and which ones decided to be no-shows with this weather.

1629 were allowed to begin recruitment yesterday. Not sure how many actually started. Just trying to stay awake today...