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alyssa2112 09-05-2014 03:00 PM

trans person in greek life?
 
So this question is kind of the reason I made an account on here. I wanted to honest opinions of the greater greek community at large rather than my specific little corner of the world. I'm not gonna comment on what I think of my question for you all since I don't really want to influence the responses one way or the other (at least at first).
So my question is, lets say you had a girl in a sorority or a guy in a frat who had been in your chapter for lets say 2 or 3 years. In other words they have been intiated and they are relatively well known (and maybe even well liked). But then around that 2 or 3 year period it comes out that this person is transgender and has been hiding it for fear of repriasal and/or social exclusion. I think for the purposes of this we can assume they've had the surgery since idk how one could hide that for 2 or 3 years without it. I'm just curious what everyone here would do or think about this situation. Obviously its hypothetical and hasn't happened in my person life. I just was thinking about it when another one of my friends brought up to me the idea that trans people could already be in our organization and we just don't know.

amIblue? 09-05-2014 03:20 PM

Oh, here go hell come.

AZTheta 09-05-2014 03:35 PM

Been there, done that.

Saving you a space on the sofa, amIblue?

amIblue? 09-05-2014 03:38 PM

OP, read this:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=142098

33girl 09-05-2014 04:01 PM

Contrary to popular porn belief we don't all see each other's naughty bits on a daily, even if we live together. It would be really easy for someone to not disclose it.

knight_shadow 09-05-2014 04:12 PM

^^ I'm sure you know this, but all trans issues don't boil down to genitalia :)

I'm assuming that in this hypothetical, the guy in the fraternity is FTM (or vice versa for the sorority example). If that's the case, let him be.

I can't remember if it was discussed in the other thread, but I'm not sure what the (single sex status) ramifications are if someone is MTF (or vice versa) in a fraternity (or sorority). I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the link, amIblue.

Nanners52674 09-05-2014 04:26 PM

Oh, ground hogs day already?

I'll bring the vodka for the sweet tea if you save me a rocker on that porch.

ASTalumna06 09-05-2014 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2290018)
^^ I'm sure you know this, but all trans issues don't boil down to genitalia :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290009)
I think for the purposes of this we can assume they've had the surgery since idk how one could hide that for 2 or 3 years without it.

I think 33girl was specially responding to this comment made by the OP.

amIblue? 09-05-2014 04:35 PM

cracking up at your siggy k_s

knight_shadow 09-05-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2290022)
cracking up at your siggy k_s

:)

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 05:02 PM

I only said they'd need to have the surgery mainly cause if they didn't they'd need to celebate and it'd probably show up on some documentation. As for it coming out "years later" I was thinking it'd be like someone they knew from high school or something rushed and recognized them. I have no idea why 33girl immediately jumped to the assumption of porn...

amIblue? 09-05-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290031)
I only said they'd need to have the surgery mainly cause if they didn't they'd need to celebate

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help it.

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2290035)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm sorry, but I couldn't help it.

What? I mean like how could someone like that try and sleep around like that and people not start to talk? Point is its a way they could be found out.

amIblue? 09-05-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290039)
What? I mean like how could someone like that try and sleep around like that and people not start to talk? Point is its a way they could be found out.

So the choices are celibacy or whoredom?

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 05:30 PM

No, like think of the risks of even trying to date tho? That's what I'm saying. Cause what happens if this person tries to date someone and that guy flips out. Shit like that gets around fast as hell. Especially if the guy is in a frat or something. Everyone will know in like a week.

SoCalGirl 09-05-2014 05:37 PM

Celibacy = the vow that priests and nuns make. As in no naughty high jinks whatsoever. Whether with a friend or by themselves.

There are plenty of things a person could do without exposing the fact that they don't have the traditional bits and pieces.

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 05:38 PM

I suppose

AZTheta 09-05-2014 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290009)
So this question is kind of the reason I made an account on here. I wanted to honest opinions of the greater greek community at large rather than my specific little corner of the world. I'm not gonna comment on what I think of my question for you all since I don't really want to influence the responses one way or the other (at least at first).
So my question is, lets say you had a girl in a sorority or a guy in a frat who had been in your chapter for lets say 2 or 3 years. In other words they have been intiated and they are relatively well known (and maybe even well liked). But then around that 2 or 3 year period it comes out that this person is transgender and has been hiding it for fear of repriasal and/or social exclusion. I think for the purposes of this we can assume they've had the surgery since idk how one could hide that for 2 or 3 years without it. I'm just curious what everyone here would do or think about this situation. Obviously its hypothetical and hasn't happened in my person life. I just was thinking about it when another one of my friends brought up to me the idea that trans people could already be in our organization and we just don't know.

how come no one QFP'ed?

ETA: OP, why do you even care? What is your point? Why are you speculating?

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 06:18 PM

[ETA: OP, why do you even care? What is your point? Why are you speculating?[/QUOTE]

I just honestly wanted to know what the opinion was from the peanut gallery was. And I'm kind of big into diversity advocacy and that type of stuff. Trans stuff is something I noticed no one was talking about. Possibly even because they're afraid to even bring it up. Cause they'll crap for even talking about it. So what's the harm in bringing it up anynomously? Where I can't get weird looks in my house for defending people I think deserve to be part of us but aren't in practice allowed.

DubaiSis 09-05-2014 06:21 PM

"no one is talking about" is less than accurate where it applies to Greek Chat. We have discussed it until we're blue in the face. I can't say we've come up with any long term solutions, but we've covered every possible crossed t and dotted i.

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 06:22 PM

well like my post said I'm brand new to greek chat. So obviously I didn't know

33girl 09-05-2014 06:27 PM

Lol, the porn comment had to do with those who think sorority women have naked pillow fights all the time. It had nothing to do with transexuality being in porn. DUH.

thetalady 09-05-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290053)
I just honestly wanted to know what the opinion was from the peanut gallery was. And I'm kind of big into diversity advocacy and that type of stuff. Trans stuff is something I noticed no one was talking about. Possibly even because they're afraid to even bring it up. Cause they'll crap for even talking about it. So what's the harm in bringing it up anynomously? Where I can't get weird looks in my house for defending people I think deserve to be part of us but aren't in practice allowed.


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Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290053)
well like my post said I'm brand new to greek chat. So obviously I didn't know

Google is your friend. Don't make me do it for you. I have a busy day. :rolleyes:

Nanners52674 09-05-2014 07:13 PM

So are you in a sorority or fraternity?

PearlGirl13 09-05-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290009)
So this question is kind of the reason I made an account on here. I wanted to honest opinions of the greater greek community at large rather than my specific little corner of the world.

So my question is, lets say you had a girl in a sorority or a guy in a frat who had been in your chapter for lets say 2 or 3 years.

You seem like the same poster in the other thread that amIBlue referenced. Why come back and start this all back up again? Why not re-read your old thread?

So I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not going not say what the chapter, sorority, or college this happened at for the privacy of all involved. Essentially what happen is we had this transgender girl rush for our sorority through informal recruitment.

If you aren't the same person, you two share the same story-telling quirk of starting sentences with "So...."

tld221 09-05-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2290010)
Oh, here go hell come.

Quote:

Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2290040)
So the choices are celibacy or whoredom?

Those are always the choices #yesallwomen

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2290057)
Lol, the porn comment had to do with those who think sorority women have naked pillow fights all the time. It had nothing to do with transexuality being in porn. DUH.

I don't know why we DON'T have naked pillow fights. Oh, because that's stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PearlGirl13 (Post 2290068)
You seem like the same poster in the other thread that amIBlue referenced. Why come back and start this all back up again? Why not re-read your old thread?

Quote:

So I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not going not say what the chapter, sorority, or college this happened at for the privacy of all involved. Essentially what happen is we had this transgender girl rush for our sorority through informal recruitment.
If you aren't the same person, you two share the same story-telling quirk of starting sentences with "So...."

They also share the same terrible ass syntax and grammar.

PearlGirl13 09-05-2014 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290031)
I only said they'd need to have the surgery mainly cause if they didn't they'd need to celebate

Celebate - A combination of celibate and celebrate.

Being extraordinarily happy about not having sex???

tld221 09-05-2014 08:15 PM

The thread amIblue? posted is from June. The OP in that thread has been on GC since 2012. The "hypothetical" person was an 18 year old girl.

3 months later, similar hypothetical situation and this "hypothetical" person is now "2 or 3 years" in the chapter. 2012 was 2 years ago. I'm smart, so I know I'm right.

Later on in that thread, the OP directly said the "hypothetical" person IS a transgender sister in her chapter, and then finally admits that, surprise, "hypothetical" sister is her.

The username scheme is similar: first name beginning with A, 4 numbers.

But now I wanna know who is SororitySock? I know one of yall know.

tld221 09-05-2014 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PearlGirl13 (Post 2290072)
Celebate - A combination of celibate and celebrate.

Being extraordinarily happy about not having sex???

Do. Not. Want.

alyssa2112 09-05-2014 10:40 PM

I'm not the same person. I had never visited this site till today. But I prefaced my story by saying it was hypothetical the whole time. Like I said it was brought up to me by a friend and like a lot of things my mind kind of ran with it. Not to mention it was definatley a different question than the other person asked but yeah. I honestly have no intention of spending a great deal of time on here. I was just curious. I don't really have anything new to add after reading the other thread. So maybe I'll be on here in the future but till then thanks for all your input and the lengthy explanation in the other thread

33girl 09-06-2014 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290043)
No, like think of the risks of even trying to date tho? That's what I'm saying. Cause what happens if this person tries to date someone and that guy flips out. Shit like that gets around fast as hell. Especially if the guy is in a frat or something. Everyone will know in like a week.

NO. If a guy dates a girl that used to be a guy and has a problem with it, no way in hell is he going to tell anyone because he'll feel like it calls his own sexuality into question. Do you know people? Have you interacted with them? Because this is pretty standard no brainer stuff.

MysticCat 09-06-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alyssa2112 (Post 2290009)
Obviously its hypothetical and hasn't happened in my person life.

Why in the world is it obvious that this is a hypothetical question?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl (Post 2290045)
Celibacy = the vow that priests and nuns make.

Celibacy = abstention from sexual relations, whether because of a vow (as in the case of priests and nuns) or for some other reason, and whether permanently (as in the case of priests and nuns) or temporarily (such as until marriage).

SoCalGirl 09-06-2014 04:37 PM

:) I know it's not just priests/nuns. They were the only mainstream example I could think of that an average person would be aware.


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