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Nanners52674 08-21-2014 06:39 AM

Snap Bids
 
I have an idea of how they work but I'm fuzzy on some rules. Are they only extended on his day or can they be given a few days after recruitment concludes? Also, is it possible to give someone a snap bid accidentally and take it back?

Titchou 08-21-2014 07:00 AM

Snap bids are bids that are extended between bid matching and Bid Day activities. PH calls women who are offered snap bids during this time period. They are usually women who did not match for whatever reason (SIP) or who may have dropped out but a chapter has still listed them on their bid list. Chapter members do not know who was offered a snap bid. Recruitment officers/alumnae in a chapter may realize it but not anyone else as they come and participate like anyone else.

Once a bid has been accepted, as it would be on the spot for a snap bid, it cannot be rescinded. They would have to terminate that woman's pledgeship - and that might be problematic...not to mention a PR disaster!

KSUViolet06 08-21-2014 07:26 AM

Sidenote: One of my biggest pet peeves is incorrect terminology and when a woman receives a bid FOLLOWING bid day and chapters call it a "snap bid." Once bid matching has occurred and the FR period has ended (i.e. bid day marks the ending), it's not a snap anymore. Technically, it's a COR bid at that point.

Ex: "We gave out 2 snap bids the week after bid day." or "I was snap bidder by Sigma in October."

No, you CORed them. They are not snaps. Stop it.

/volunteer pet peeves.

FSUZeta 08-21-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2286935)
Sidenote: One of my biggest pet peeves is incorrect terminology and when a woman receives a bid FOLLOWING bid day and chapters call it a "snap bid." Once bid matching has occurred and the FR period has ended (i.e. bid day marks the ending), it's not a snap anymore. Technically, it's a COR bid at that point.

Ex: "We gave out 2 snap bids the week after bid day." or "I was snap bidder by Sigma in October."

No, you CORed them. They are not snaps. Stop it.

/volunteer pet peeves.


LOL!

Griffins&Quills 08-21-2014 09:51 AM

I feel like we should have an RFM thread

Titchou 08-21-2014 10:01 AM

Maybe just copy and paste the whole section from the MOI???

AZTheta 08-21-2014 10:26 AM

Wait a second. I thought that if you SIP'ed you were not eligible for a snap bid? Can you guys please clarify? I am so confused.

Here's the Glossary definition of Snap Bidding: Snap bidding — An option available to chapters that did not fill quota. Chapters may offer bids to potential new members whose preferences were not matched. This process takes place before bids are distributed. Snap bidding is not intended to fill spaces in the chapter total and is limited to any woman who participated in the designated recruitment.

And as for RFM, there's a separate publication on that. It's pretty detailed. And lengthy!

More information on Snap Bids, from the Manual of Information (MOI) 2014:

If a fraternity has not filled its quota through bid matching in membership recruitment, the College Panhellenic Membership Committee may immediately ask if the fraternity wishes to extend a bid to anyone not originally on its bid list.
Snap bidding is an option available to chapters that did not match all quota spaces in bid matching, whether matching by hand or by computer. Snap bidding is done before bids are distributed. Snap bidding is not intended to fill spaces in the chapter total. Any chapter may prepare a separate snap bid list that can be used at the proper time for determining snap bids. Snap bidding is open to any woman who participated in at least one round of the designated membership recruitment process.
If none of the woman’s preferences have matched a fraternity’s bid list, the Panhellenic Membership Recruitment Committee may contact the woman and ask if she will accept a bid from a fraternity not previously listed among her choices, provided the fraternity has notified the Panhellenic of its desire to offer her a bid.
Snap bidding is under the direction of the College Panhellenic Membership Recruitment Committee, working with the chapters that have quota vacancies. A signed MRABA shall be filed with the College Panhellenic before a woman who has accepted a snap bid may be pledged. Snap bidding shall begin immediately after bid matching and end with the distribution of bids, at which time continuous open bidding will begin.
Panhellenics should keep on file for two calendar years all records used in bid matching and COB. Because of their confidential nature, these records should be carefully protected until destroyed.

Titchou 08-21-2014 10:43 AM

True but I know of places that have done it...

OneHeartOneWay 08-21-2014 10:57 AM

I believe a PNM who SIPs is eligible for snap bids, but not quota additions.

AlphaXi_Husky 08-21-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2286974)
Wait a second. I thought that if you SIP'ed you were not eligible for a snap bid? Can you guys please clarify? I am so confused.

My understanding is people who SIP aren't eligible for quota addition, but are eligible for snap bids.

They would also be eligible for COB/COR once Recruitment ends, which the only different between that and a snap bid is timing.

SoCalGirl 08-21-2014 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay (Post 2286979)
I believe a PNM who SIPs is eligible for snap bids, but not quota additions.

That's right.


When I was in school it wasn't the PH that called the member so I'm not sure if that changed over the years or is campus specific.

I was told to call the girl I had preffed and offer a snap bid, there was a specific time that we were allowed to start calling. This gave Rho Chis time to tell women that they didn't match.

Imagine my horror when I called the girl and she had no idea why I would call her. Her Rho Chi had not spoke to her yet.

I still don't know what went wrong because she ended up getting a bid from another chapter she preffed. We had three parties that year so I don't know if she was snapped by them or if we had just been given bad info in the first place.


And yes, they way it was done meant that a girl could receive multiple calls from chapters offering snap bids. She had to accept or decline and then sign the card with Panhel. Awful really.

FSUZeta 08-21-2014 11:10 AM

I have only seen the greek life coordinator make snap bid calls-mind you, this was a while ago at a small public university that matched bids by hand.

33girl 08-21-2014 11:14 AM

One of my chapter sisters swears up and down that she was offered what would be classified as snap bids from four different groups but I think she's full of poo.

tcsparky 08-21-2014 11:18 AM

I still assist with one of our chapters at a small University that matches by hand! Snap Bid calls are made by the Greek Life Coordinator while we are all still sitting at the table once Bid Matching is over. I'm not sure how other chaoters do this, but our Snao Bid list is typically women who we invited to Pref but did not attend (maybe they attended the other two sororities' Pref parties) and then did not match.

If we had a woman on our second bid list who did not match anywhere during bid matching, we have been able to get her as a Quota Addition.

Explaining the difference, and the process, to the Greek Life Coordinator was frustrating the first time, because she is not a sorority member, and had not read the Green Book!!!

AZTheta 08-21-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaXi_Husky (Post 2286981)
My understanding is people who SIP aren't eligible for quota addition, but are eligible for snap bids.

They would also be eligible for COB/COR once Recruitment ends, which the only different between that and a snap bid is timing.

Really? Now more confusion ensues. I read the MRABA and I didn't think you could do that.

Note to self: ignore recruitment.

FSUZeta 08-21-2014 11:34 AM

Purely speculation but here is something to chew on....Say someone rec'd a snap bid and went along to the bid day festivities and played nice. After the sorority celebration, she stopped off on fraternity row and took a few turns around the stripper pole in the basements of a couple of fraternities and basically embarrassed herself and her brand new sorority. In fact, her behavior was so bad that the sorority decided to drop her-not even allow her to go thru the pledging ceremony. She might invent a story such as the one on the site that shall not be named to save face.

OneHeartOneWay 08-21-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tcsparky (Post 2286990)
I still assist with one of our chapters at a small University that matches by hand! Snap Bid calls are made by the Greek Life Coordinator while we are all still sitting at the table once Bid Matching is over. I'm not sure how other chaoters do this, but our Snao Bid list is typically women who we invited to Pref but did not attend (maybe they attended the other two sororities' Pref parties) and then did not match.

If we had a woman on our second bid list who did not match anywhere during bid matching, we have been able to get her as a Quota Addition.

Explaining the difference, and the process, to the Greek Life Coordinator was frustrating the first time, because she is not a sorority member, and had not read the Green Book!!!

Oh, my goodness! i could have written this exact post word for word with one of the small commuter schools for which I used to be the Recruitment Supervisor (hand bid matching and all). It would get extremely complicated, because usually there would only be 1 or 2 spots to snap bid for each chapter, and just about every PNM that went through recruitment was on each chapter's snap bid list, just in different orders. So, PNM A may be ABC's #1 snap bid, but #3 on DEF's list. But, PNM A wanted DEF more than ABC, so would have to wait until DEF's #1 and #2 declined, but those 2 may have wanted ABC, who was waiting on PNM A to decide. Yes, it was as confusing as it sounds! (Because you can't really have an inexperienced Greek Life advisor call and say tactfully, "you have a bid right now from ABC, and you're on DEF's list but not as high and they want other girls more than they want you, so if those girls turn them down then you may have a bid to DEF…")

AlphaXi_Husky 08-21-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2286991)
Really? Now more confusion ensues. I read the MRABA and I didn't think you could do that.

Note to self: ignore recruitment.

The MRABA states "If I do not receive an invitation to membership from a group that I have listed, I am eligible for continuous open bidding"

;)

Griffins&Quills 08-21-2014 12:31 PM

I was under the impression that SIPs were NOT eligible for COB, that they had to wait a calendar year because they signed the MRABA. I thought that because they did not maximize their options, they were ineligible

AlphaXi_Husky 08-21-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Griffins&Quills (Post 2287010)
I was under the impression that SIPs were NOT eligible for COB, that they had to wait a calendar year because they signed the MRABA. I thought that because they did not maximize their options, they were ineligible

You're probably thinking of someone who DOES get a bid to a chapter they listed and declines it. Those people are not eligible to join another NPC sorority for one calendar year.

I swear I'm not making it up - just google NPC MRABA and you'll see the form.

AZTheta 08-21-2014 12:45 PM

^^^Yup. You got it. Thanks. I understand. I think.

WPCNVA 08-21-2014 02:18 PM

Do these bids actually make a snapping noise when they are issued? Because that would be awesome... I'm thinking like those slap bracelets or something...

honeychile 08-21-2014 03:10 PM

All of my panhellenic life, I have thought that the entire concept of a snap bid was that the women who received a snap bid would be able to celebrate their New Member class. The idea was that, if they kept their mouths shut, nobody else need know that they received a snap bid.

Titchou 08-21-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2287063)
All of my panhellenic life, I have thought that the entire concept of a snap bid was that the women who received a snap bid would be able to celebrate their New Member class. The idea was that, if they kept their mouths shut, nobody else need know that they received a snap bid.

This is exactly correct. They show up at Bid Day with the rest and no one is the wiser.

DeltaBetaBaby 08-21-2014 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2287075)
This is exactly correct. They show up at Bid Day with the rest and no one is the wiser.

And yet it always seems to leak out which groups took snap bids at the big, competitive recruitments :-)

luv n tpa 08-21-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WPCNVA (Post 2287051)
Do these bids actually make a snapping noise when they are issued? Because that would be awesome... I'm thinking like those slap bracelets or something...

On my campus, one alum from each chapter was present with their president, VP and recruitment chairs during bid matching. Once bid matching was complete, the Director of Greek Affairs (who could not understand the Green Book in any capacity, nor wished to listen to those who could explain it) called out names eligible for snap bidding, and whichever alum snapped her fingers first got her. :eek::rolleyes:

I wish I was making this up. Probably the most ridiculous thing I've done.

I believe that process has since been remedied.

FSUZeta 08-21-2014 06:47 PM

I have never attended a bid matching that involved collegians.

OPhiAGinger 08-21-2014 06:51 PM

This conjures up such a vivid mental image of the scene: a set of alumnae with their fingers poised to snap, each looking anxiously at the collegiate members who were pouring over their written notes from recruitment, waiting for each name to be called. The tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife, as each designated alumna "snapper" tries to be the first to snap after the desirable names are called but still get the go-ahead signal from her collegiate sisters.

IndianaSigKap 08-21-2014 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay (Post 2286996)
Oh, my goodness! i could have written this exact post word for word with one of the small commuter schools for which I used to be the Recruitment Supervisor (hand bid matching and all). It would get extremely complicated, because usually there would only be 1 or 2 spots to snap bid for each chapter, and just about every PNM that went through recruitment was on each chapter's snap bid list, just in different orders. So, PNM A may be ABC's #1 snap bid, but #3 on DEF's list. But, PNM A wanted DEF more than ABC, so would have to wait until DEF's #1 and #2 declined, but those 2 may have wanted ABC, who was waiting on PNM A to decide. Yes, it was as confusing as it sounds! (Because you can't really have an inexperienced Greek Life advisor call and say tactfully, "you have a bid right now from ABC, and you're on DEF's list but not as high and they want other girls more than they want you, so if those girls turn them down then you may have a bid to DEF…")

Been there, done that, same campus. And it was just like you described!

MaryPoppins 08-21-2014 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2287094)
And yet it always seems to leak out which groups took snap bids at the big, competitive recruitments :-)

It helps when it's done early before the bids are issued as in written out.

KSUViolet06 08-21-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2287108)
I have never attended a bid matching that involved collegians.

Me either. The only people allowed at ours in undergrad were our chapter and recruitment advisors.

Sidenote: I did get to attend a matching meeting (not so much an actual matching because ICS did that, but a meeting in which matching and snaps were discussed) as a volunteer and I felt super cool even at 27 because I know that only certain people are allowed! lol.

luv n tpa 08-21-2014 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2287125)
Me either. The only people allowed at ours in undergrad were our chapter and recruitment advisors.

Sidenote: I did get to attend a matching meeting (not so much an actual matching because ICS did that, but a meeting in which matching and snaps were discussed) as a volunteer and I felt super cool even at 27 because I know that only certain people are allowed! lol.

We were using ICS at the time as well. There had been "glitches" (human error), so the ICS bid lists were also compared to matching done by hand to "ensure the system behaved correctly."

Meanwhile, I stretched and exercise my hand for the loudest and quickest snap among us. :p

KSUViolet06 08-21-2014 09:23 PM

^^^^That's funny you say that because every other time someone doesn't get the desired result from recruitment, the urban legend is like "there was a computer glitch."

What more knowledgeable people know is that ICS does not "glitch." Anything that goes wrong with ICS is 99% of the time, a "user error" issue.

And even then, unless you've NEVER used ICS in your LIFE, the likelihood of making a catastrophic mistake (i.e. one that results in someone either not being matched, being released from a chapter, etc.) is VERY low. In most recruitments, the invite issuance and bid matching phases are generally checked, rechecked, and checked again for accuracy BY ACTUAL HUMANS before anything goes to the PXs to get to the PNMs. No one is pushing "ok" for matching/issuance of invite lists until everything has been checked over by a few sets of eyes.

Ex: At a HUGE recruitment like somewhere in the SEC, you can bet that there is not just ONE person dealing with ICS. There are "checks and balances" to the point that it's almost overkill because no one wants to be the girl who managed to input something incorrectly. Someone is checking lists, then letting someone else double check the settings, then letting someone else check (and ask if something seems incorrect - like you think you think XYZ may have the wrong Sarah Smith on their cut list), then checking again before they pull the trigger to issue any invites, match bids, anything.

DeltaBetaBaby 08-21-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaryPoppins (Post 2287121)
It helps when it's done early before the bids are issued as in written out.

Well, women receiving snap bids often were NOT at pref for that chapter.

MaryPoppins 08-21-2014 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2287145)
Well, women receiving snap bids often were NOT at pref for that chapter.

In larger recruitments it will known or noticed by very few people.

ladybug12 08-21-2014 10:09 PM

Yes, in very competitive recruitments some very strong recruiting chapters fail to match quota and snap bid due to tight RFM figures. Rarely do chapter members know anything.

When a weak recruiting chapter does not match quota, it is usually by just a few. If it is by a large number, they just swing into COB mode after bid day.

RFM has really leveled the playing field on many campuses. It has helped me know how to assist my chapters target PNMs during and after formal recruitment. Many thanks to the women who helped implement this system!

AlphaXi_Husky 08-21-2014 10:29 PM

I am completely :eek: at actually "snapping" for snap bidding. If I didn't recognize user names I would think y'all are making it up.

And I also have never been in a bid matching meeting where collegians were allowed - either when hand bid matching was going on or when things went electronic and it's just filling out bid cards and reviewing things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladybug12 (Post 2287160)

RFM has really leveled the playing field on many campuses. It has helped me know how to assist my chapters target PNMs during and after formal recruitment. Many thanks to the women who helped implement this system!

I totally agree with this. RFM has been really great for the campus I assist with. "Snaps" :D to those women who helped create it

belle1519 01-08-2017 08:52 PM

At my school, there is a specific chapter that purposely takes in a very small number of girls but snap bid 75% till they reach minimum quota. Why do they not initially give out "normal" bids in the first place?

katlady 01-08-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by belle1519 (Post 2425384)
At my school, there is a specific chapter that purposely takes in a very small number of girls but snap bid 75% till they reach minimum quota. Why do they not initially give out "normal" bids in the first place?

that is really none of our business, nor yours. Membership selection is very private.


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