Zero Tolerance in Schools
 

Ridiculous.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/educatio...er-fire-n41431

Zero-Tolerance policies are highly illogical...and the rest of the article states some good facts and figures on how these policies are biased towards minorities.

The administration of this school would be "clutching their pearls" if they could see all of the awesome hand signs we Greeks throw up. LOL.

In prepping my middle schoolers to write their book reports I used a "hand sign" - 3 fingers in one hand (the three elements to be discussed) with the other hand on top (adj. used to describe the book) to remind them the elements need to support the evaluation. GRAMMAR GANG SIGN. Beware the Grammar Gang . . .

A few months ago there was a article on Yahoo homepage about some high school athletes (girls) who posed with "the shocker" in the yearbook. They were suspended.

UCSD uses "the shocker" to represent a trident. Which is dumb since our mascot is Triton and not his trident.

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/021...g?v=1367295245

Zero tolerance was invented because higher-up administrators think lower-level administrators are morons who are not to be trusted to use discretion. If they think the lower-level administrators are really that dumb, the lower-level folks need to be replaced ASAP.

there is going to be significant pearl clutching at the NCAAs. Wichita State is The Shockers.

Zero tolerance policies are never a good thing. Nothing is black and white. There needs to be some gray area.

I believe zero tolerance developed because one person's gray area is another's "OMG My OPPRESSED Snowflake!"

It is ridiculous.

I just recently read a story where an elementary school student was suspended because he formed his fingers into the shape of a gun (vertical thumb, horizontal index finger, other 3 fingers curled into his palm), pointed his index finger at another student, and said "BANG!" The other student didn't notice, nor did any of his other classmates ... but the teacher noticed. He was sent to the principal's office, his parents were called, and he was suspended for three days. :rolleyes: Were the administrators so stupid as to think his hand was an actual gun? He's a 10-year-old boy, not Robocop. (And even Robocop had a separate firearm - it wasn't built into his hand.)

Guns are no joking matter, but what led the administrators to think the kid needed to miss three days of education for pointing a finger and saying "BANG"? They could have just sat down with him and his parents and explained that the gesture was inappropriate.

These kinds of stories present two problems:

1) An overreaction to a minor "infraction"
2) The punishment used in response to the infraction

In the example aephi alum presents above, the irrational, overblown assumption/concern is that this child wants to kill his classmate. Schools claim they need to come down hard on these students and show them that there's "no tolerance" for such behavior. However, if you were really concerned that this child wanted to harm another student (or students), do you really think that suspending him for three days is the solution?

Regarding the story that I initially posted - if there was actually a concern that this student was throwing up a gang sign, where is the concern for the student's well-being? Who is there to help him? Where are the adults asking, "What went wrong?" or "Is he ok?" or "Maybe we should sit down and talk with him and figure out how things are at school/home." If he was really part of a gang, do you think suspending him indefinitely, to possibly socialize with this gang more, is going to solve the problem?

While schools overreacting is a concern, I don't think this bothers me as much as the way they're punishing these students. If a student wanted to harm someone else, or if a student was in a gang, shouldn't someone want to help them?

http://wavy.com/2014/03/19/student-s...ing-classmate/

So what will it truly take for public schools, and maybe private schools to start changing their policies? How many more stories will we see in the news?

I can understand the necessity for having some policy in place to try and stop a mass event from happening....but it seems now the whole idea oz "zero tolerance" is going from one extreme to the other....

The problem that I have seen is that people, administrators, ect. Don't seem to care once the kids are out of the school,or building, ie public library, ect. They only care about what affects them directly and when the library closes for the day or the kids get sent home there is little to no concern for what happens to the kid. I think this is how people can justify zero tolerance.

I think that legally this is the case as well. For example, I use to volunteer at the public library with the teen program and was told by one of the women working there that they have a responsibility to protect the kids while the kids are in the library. But that same woman seemed to not care at all if the library was closing and its dark outside and a kid(s) parent isn't there to pick the kid up. Well, I often would wait outside in the parking lot with the kid(s), sometimes other parents would wait with me and the kid. But I was told that If a kid accused me of doing something inappropriate, then I could get in a lot of trouble and that is why at 8pm the kids are no longer a concern. Wow, I really couldn't do that. Really, I'm more concerned about the kids safety than being sued.
Idk, this world is just screwed up!
DNP

huh?

ah. gothca.

do you think that going back to a separated school system would make things better?

I personally had no problems at my high school which had over 1000 students from 9-12 grades. Everyone seemed to "play nice" and yes, there was the occasional fight or incidence, but nothing like whats happening now..... and I was there from 1987-1991.

My only issue with high school was that I got a three day INschool suspension, for being late to school three times without a valid excuse!! I can only imagine what happens now....

Ive always felt that school punishments never worked right......Keep kids IN school...if you have to separate them because of behavior thats fine, but do NOT kick them out! To me THAT causes more issues.......

JMHO......

No point in feeding Max the Troll. He'll be banned again before long I expect.

Ugh, don't let pinkman derail the thread. Just ignore his comments.

My wife teaches at a school where whites are a minority and 75% are on free and reduced lunch. They were the top scored school in the state but for a magnet school situated in a gated community lake resort town with 11 students.

By we, you mean some of us had great schools. And if what passes as critical thought in your posts is any indication, you either did not have the benefit of a great school or you failed to take advantage of the education that great school offered.

And really, just be honest and call things what they are: the only "solution" you've offered is segregation.

You really don't pay attention, do you? I'm as WASPish as they come, which you've been told before.

Glad to see that education is paying off for you.

Racistjerk, I mean pinkman,

Have you ever heard of Marva Collins?

It makes me sad that these stories continue to pop up on a daily basis...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/g...-code-23048647

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-code/6862189/

False equivalency much?
I can't speak for anyone else here but I'm saying a little girl shaving her head in a brave and generous token of solidarity is in no way the same discussion as violence in inner-city schools. To use your scenario as an actual equivalency, kid in inner-city school beats the crap out of a rapist in the act on school grounds. Yes, an exception should be made. I appreciate that the school has a dress code for a reason, but zero tolerance, the point of this thread, doesn't help the child or the school.

Should schools work to diminish/eliminate violence? That doesn't merit discussion. What to do about it? Great. We can have that discussion, but not without talking taxes.

Yet another story about a girl's hair being a "distraction":

https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/red...ry?id=24985384