George Zimmerman had 5 guns when arrested
 

Including an AR15-type rifle and 127 rounds of ammunition

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ed-police?lite

Zimmerman has some shit with him both literally and figuratively.

Zimmerman has become a shit magnet, but anyone who thinks 127 rounds is a lot of ammunition is seriously undereducated.

He is not a convicted felon, and is (was, and may be again depending on his next hearing) therefore entitled to own any firearms he wants. His use of them may certainly be called into question. We'll see what the courts have to say.

The court of popular opinion is not the law of the land.

^Right on. The only way I see it possibly relevant is if one of his exes has a restraining order requiring him to turn in his firearms--something I've seen before with domestic violence cases.

While this is true in a general sense when discussing the legal and criminal justice processes, this cliche' is not 100% accurate. The laws and procedures of the land are not universal truths created by robots. The laws of the land are based on the researched and nonresearched perspectives of (1) powerful people and/or (2) a consensus among citizens. There are both popular opinions and unpopular opinions in that.

People tend to forget this when they want to defend certain laws, perspectives, and behaviors. People tend to remember this when there are laws, perspectives, and behaviors they deem problematic and worth challenging. People are extremely hypocritical when it comes to what they deem worthy of either defending or attacking.

Very true. But it's the place where we work on changing the law of the land. This is relevant to a debate about what our gun laws OUGHT to be. I don't trust this guy, and I don't want him to have access to any guns, and being reminded how many he has legally is a good argument IMHO in favor of some tighter restrictions.

I deeply and passionately believe that no one should go to jail without being convicted based on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. But if it were up to me, a "more likely than not" standard of dangerousness ought to be enough to take somebody's firearms away.

The law (part of the Violence Against Women Act) does allow for a domestic court judge, even on an ex parte basis to temporarily seize the weapons of an abuser or an accused abuser as part of an order of protection. Simple possession in those cases can carry up to 10 years in the federal penitentiary and/or state punishment as well. I find it a little odd that Zimmerman's ex wife or his girlfriend hadn't sought a protective order considering the sort of allegations being made here... but maybe not... cycle of violence and whatnot.

At any rate, I can't imagine a judge examining a pleading naming Zimmerman as the defendant and not ordering him, at least temporarily, to surrender his firearms.

I don'[t trust Zimmerman either, but even less to I trust many of my fellow Americans to make a "more likely than not" determination. I do not want to get in to convicting someone and taking away liberties based on some possible act that someone might imagine in the future.

His life has taken a serious nose-dive since his incident with Martin. It will probably get worse before it gets better. Karma.

All I have to say is, water is wet.

VAWA lets a judge do that without a hearing. At least on a temporary basis. I don't agree that it's Constitutional either, but without researching it even a little, it seems that such a temporary order would be technically difficult to package into an appealable case.

As for Zimmerman himself having guns, those of you who think he shouldn't, the man has had his life threatened on a number of occasions by total strangers including a domestic terror group, the New Black Panthers who have put a bounty on him for citizen's arrest, whatever that means.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/03....-Who-are-they

Under those circumstances, the man really should be carrying at all times.

I agree that he has a legitimate reason to carry now. But those threats wouldn't have existed if he had been responsible previously with the use of his firearms. I don't believe in street justice, but a lot of folk are still very angry over what they see as a grave injustice in the Trayvon Martin case.

Zimmerman is the only person alive who knows the truth of that statement.

Yes, yes...we know there were two people outside and one person is dead.

Such is the case for many deaths. I find irony in that if there had been evidence to convict Zimmerman in a court of law, people would have said things such as "the eyes of the law" or "evidence allowed Trayvon to speak from the grave" in order to contrast "Zimmerman is the only person alive who knows the truth of that statement". Suddenly Zimmerman being the only person alive wouldn't matter.

I'm not saying he's innocent either. "Not guilty" and "innocent" are not one in the same. Folks still talk as if they know he's for sure guilty. What we know is he, like many Americans owns and carries guns. We also know he's been accused of domestic violence. That's still kind of key, I don't believe he's committed any acts of domestic violence, but his ex-wife might have a pecuniary interest in accusing him and the ex-girlfriend could just be looking to cash in on her association with him to to talk to 60 Minutes about what kind of person George Zimmerman is. You just don't know.

Shooting Martin may have been a perfectly reasonable and even responsible thing to do under the circumstances. I'm not saying that it was or that it's even very likely, just that we don't really know one way or the other.

Nope. Nope. Nope. If he had kept his sorry ass at home or in his car and allowed the police to handle the situation, then he would not be threatened now. For argument's sake, let's say that Trayvon was looking to break in and steal stuff (wasn't that Zimmerman's concern?). It's just stuff. I own nothing that I believe is worth ANY other human's life, including a thief's. Do you own things that you'd be willing for someone else to die in order to protect the things?

That's pretty much a condemnation of all neighborhood security personnel, neighborhood watchmen, etc.

You really don't know (nor do I) what happened between those two. Yes, Zimmerman was clearly pursuing him as I would hope any security person in a neighborhood to do. The next thing you had was 911 calls about two people fighting. Zimmerman had every right to follow Martin--and I would agree if you are going to suggest that this leads to a real issue with some of our gun laws in that Martin would have probably been well within his rights to shoot Zimmerman as it may not be unreasonable for him to have feared for his life at some point during the encounter.

You didn't answer my question about things being worth a life.

Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch coordinator, not a paid neighborhood security guard. The function of a neighborhood watch is to watch and call the police.

You're right that I don't know what happened between them once Zimmerman got out of his car after following an unarmed teen, but It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that if he had stayed in his car and let the police handle the situation, none of it would have happened.

We don't know whether Zimmerman got out of the car and thought to himself "I'm gonna shoot this son-b." Usually, say, 9999/10,000, that decision doesn't lead to someone being dead.

He may have stepped outside the bounds (I'm thinking he probably did) of what the program suggests. Again, that's a call which almost all of the time doesn't result in someone being killed.

But you keep casting this as Zimmerman choosing life vs. stuff and that's not what these sorts of encounters are all about. You are free to ask some young kid in your neighborhood what they are doing there. That doesn't mean you're valuing stuff vs. a life because it's not fair to assume that a life is even in jeopardy at that point.

--of course is Zimmerman publishes a "How I Got Away With It" memoir and states he was out to kill that evening, I'll stand corrected. Until then, no one knows.

Ooookay.

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/gi...inst-zimmerman

Yeah... what's up with this happy couple we'll probably never know.

Remember, He had the right to have that many guns! 1-100 + is legal.

He was cleared of all charges in the Trayvon case.
While he acts stupid many times it is still his right to be stupid until he breaks a law to become a felon. He seems to get out of it some how like his "Girl" friend drops charges.
He is a friggen jerk off but he is clear of any wrong doing until proven guilty, am I right Kevin?:confused:

Water is wet.

This dude must have the magic stick for all these women to be so willing to forgive him.

Of course, there's also the possibility that these women are in fact victims of domestic violence and are in the FOG...

Or they could be angling for cash to appear on the Dr. Phil show discussing the cycle of violence. We can all speculate.

True, but the Law is clear. Has he broken any Major Laws since other than being stupid/ignorant,dumb ass?

He is going to dig his own grave and I hope no one gets hurt.

"Water is wet" means that point has been made many times and some people think it goes without saying.

OOps, sory, not used to your lingo!

But I agree, I know what you mean! The guy is a douch and will always be that way, Zebra and Stipes, correct?

Well isn't Charles Manson getting married? Some people are just attracted to the notoriety of people like them.

Maybe?

My only point here is that none of us has the first clue as to what the real story is, so to sit out the sidelines and state that Zimmerman has mental issues or something to that effect is not supported by any facts I've been made aware of. This could be about getting bucks from Maury Povich or whatever... we just don't know.