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DGTess 09-22-2013 08:23 PM

Anyone seen this story?
 
I'm sending the link to EO, just in case they are not aware of it. That would surprise me, but ...

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...girls-sorority

sigmagirl2000 09-22-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess (Post 2242021)
I'm sending the link to EO, just in case they are not aware of it. That would surprise me, but ...

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...girls-sorority

That won't fly there for 10 seconds. No one will entertain this nonsense at Smith. Also, due to the 5 college consortium- Smith, Mt. Holyoke, Amherst College, and Hampshire College students can join the NPC groups at UMass Amherst should they have the urge for an NPC experience. Heck, there are even free PVTA busses to shuttle them to and from UMass for meetings, events, etc.

maconmagnolia 09-22-2013 08:44 PM

Of course, the concept is a little ridiculous, but I can somewhat see where the girl is coming from. Maybe she is looking for people to meet guys with, something that one wouldn't do with girlfriends who are lesbians? I'm one hundred percent for gay rights, but think of it this way: I love hanging out with my guy friends, but sometimes the talk about boobs and who they're hooking up with gets old. Sometimes I just want to hang out with my girl friends so that we can scout out cute boys and talk about our boyfriends/crushes/etc.
The way she presented was done in poor taste, but I don't know if this is an act of hate - maybe she just wants to find friends she has more in common with and can go meet boys with? Since she talks about having socials with men and finding people she has more in common with, I'm not sure if I see this as an act of hate or a way to try to deliberately exclude anyone.

I don't know. I'm trying to give the girl the benefit of the doubt and not automatically conclude that she hates homosexuals, but maybe she does.

sigmagirl2000 09-22-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by maconmagnolia (Post 2242027)
Of course, the concept is a little ridiculous, but I can somewhat see where the girl is coming from. Maybe she is looking for people to meet guys with, something that one wouldn't do with girlfriends who are lesbians? I'm one hundred percent for gay rights, but think of it this way: I love hanging out with my guy friends, but sometimes the talk about boobs and who they're hooking up with gets old. Sometimes I just want to hang out with my girl friends so that we can scout out cute boys and talk about our boyfriends/crushes/etc.
The way she presented was done in poor taste, but I don't know if this is an act of hate - maybe she just wants to find friends she has more in common with and can go meet boys with? Since she talks about having socials with men and finding people she has more in common with, I'm not sure if I see this as an act of hate or a way to try to deliberately exclude anyone.

I don't know. I'm trying to give the girl the benefit of the doubt and not automatically conclude that she hates homosexuals, but maybe she does.

This girl HAS to be a freshman (or transfer). There's NO WAY she could have been there more than a year and not known the culture of not only this particular school, but also the city of Northampton (and the Pioneer Valley, but more extreme in Northampton). She likely didn't realize what she was getting in to, but a traditional sorority would never ever be accepted. Trying to get together a group for the sake of grouping straight women would be futile. This girl would also get some STRANGE looks for anything lilly on campus. People would look at me skeptically whenever I wore letters in Northampton.... but lilly and letters on campus? never.

Anyone else here know the Smith college campus well enough to understand where I'm coming from and maybe can phrase it in a politically correct way?

amIblue? 09-22-2013 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by maconmagnolia (Post 2242027)
Of course, the concept is a little ridiculous, but I can somewhat see where the girl is coming from. Maybe she is looking for people to meet guys with, something that one wouldn't do with girlfriends who are lesbians? I'm one hundred percent for gay rights, but think of it this way: I love hanging out with my guy friends, but sometimes the talk about boobs and who they're hooking up with gets old. Sometimes I just want to hang out with my girl friends so that we can scout out cute boys and talk about our boyfriends/crushes/etc.
The way she presented was done in poor taste, but I don't know if this is an act of hate - maybe she just wants to find friends she has more in common with and can go meet boys with? Since she talks about having socials with men and finding people she has more in common with, I'm not sure if I see this as an act of hate or a way to try to deliberately exclude anyone.

I don't know. I'm trying to give the girl the benefit of the doubt and not automatically conclude that she hates homosexuals, but maybe she does.

Wait, did you just equate lesbian women with heterosexual men? Did I read that correctly?

maconmagnolia 09-22-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2242037)
Wait, did you just equate lesbian women with heterosexual men? Did I read that correctly?

Ah, it may have sounded like that after I read it again, but I didn't mean for it to. The only way I meant to relate the two was that they are both interested in women, where as straight women might want friends who they can look for guys with. I guess I phrased it poorly.

AOII Angel 09-22-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 (Post 2242032)
This girl HAS to be a freshman (or transfer). There's NO WAY she could have been there more than a year and not known the culture of not only this particular school, but also the city of Northampton (and the Pioneer Valley, but more extreme in Northampton). She likely didn't realize what she was getting in to, but a traditional sorority would never ever be accepted. Trying to get together a group for the sake of grouping straight women would be futile. This girl would also get some STRANGE looks for anything lilly on campus. People would look at me skeptically whenever I wore letters in Northampton.... but lilly and letters on campus? never.

Anyone else here know the Smith college campus well enough to understand where I'm coming from and maybe can phrase it in a politically correct way?

Im surprised this girl decided to go to Smith without somehow figuring this out along the way.

sigmagirl2000 09-22-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2242042)
Im surprised this girl decided to go to Smith without somehow figuring this out along the way.

that's pretty much what I was trying to get at... if you even visit the campus once you'd be clued in to what you're getting in to. I know plenty of straight people who have attended there (or taken classes through the consortium), but really.... you have you have your head stuck under a rock not to get the beyond liberal vibe of the campus.

AOII Angel 09-22-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 (Post 2242044)
that's pretty much what I was trying to get at... if you even visit the campus once you'd be clued in to what you're getting in to. I know plenty of straight people who have attended there (or taken classes through the consortium), but really.... you have you have your head stuck under a rock not to get the beyond liberal vibe of the campus.

I agree. I've never been there, but the reputation of the campus is very well known.

KerriMarie 09-22-2013 09:37 PM

She also has such bizarre ideas about what being in a sorority is... Weekly photoshoots in cute outfits? On Wednesdays we wear pink?

chi-o_cat 09-23-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KerriMarie (Post 2242055)
She also has such bizarre ideas about what being in a sorority is... Weekly photoshoots in cute outfits? On Wednesdays we wear pink?

I know. Baking Night...what?

Is this a joke? If not, it sounds like the writer of this email should have done a little more research when deciding where to go to college.

I'm sorry she had to bring Delta Gamma into this silliness. It would be bad enough if it was just “let’s start a sorority” or she made up a name, but I wonder, why DG?

And this is my favorite version of the email, because it includes gifs of both a cat filing its claws, and Donna from Parks & Recreation:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lilyhiottmil...-only-sorority

agzg 09-23-2013 11:41 AM

She has some bizarre ideas about what being a lesbian is, too. Who you sleep with has no bearing on whether you'd wear pink or or bake.

I've been looking for data, however, my suspicion is that straight girls are still probably in the majority at Smith, even if the gay/bi population is high, just because folks who openly identify as gay, bi, or trans are 3.4% of the US population per the 2012 Gallup poll. Just because there are MORE lesbians there than you might meet otherwise doesn't mean you're in the minority, little special snowflake.

DrPhil 09-23-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2242174)
She has some bizarre ideas about what being a lesbian is, too. Who you sleep with has no bearing on whether you'd wear pink or bake.

Thank you.

MaryPoppins 09-23-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2242174)
She has some bizarre ideas about what being a lesbian is, too. Who you sleep with has no bearing on whether you'd wear pink or or bake.

No doubt about it, clearly she hasn't read any Florence King.

Kevin 09-23-2013 12:23 PM

She clearly has no idea what a sorority is. She has also probably not consulted with Delta Gamma about any of this.

nittanyalum 09-23-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2242181)
She clearly has no idea what a sorority is. She has also probably not consulted with Delta Gamma about any of this.

That's my favorite part. She puts out an email with, "hey, everybody, I'm gonna start a DG!"

And she is SUCH a this:

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2242174)
little special snowflake.


DGTess 09-23-2013 03:40 PM

At least Council has confirmed my suspicion that they're on it. I don't know, nor did I ask, what action. I do hope our legal counsel has contacted her, but beyond that there's nothing we can do.

AZ-AlphaXi 09-25-2013 02:10 PM

This story has now hit the front page of USA Today on line

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-down/2864697/

AnchorAlum 09-25-2013 07:41 PM

I don't know why she singled us out and oh By the way we don't HAVE a chapter at Smith.

She may be disillusioned about us when I tell her that since I graduated (many years ago) three of the actives in my chapter came out.

ASUADPi 09-25-2013 09:01 PM

That was incredibly presumptuous for her to state that she wanted to start a DG chapter. She obviously neglected to do her research (which includes contacting the Greek life office). Who would have then informed her of how expansion works.

Plus if DG is anything like the other NPC's, we (being NPC chapters) don't discriminate and saying that a sorority is only for "straight women" is discriminating. What an idiot.

sigmagirl2000 09-25-2013 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 2242786)
That was incredibly presumptuous for her to state that she wanted to start a DG chapter. She obviously neglected to do her research (which includes contacting the Greek life office). Who would have then informed her of how expansion works.

Plus if DG is anything like the other NPC's, we (being NPC chapters) don't discriminate and saying that a sorority is only for "straight women" is discriminating. What an idiot.

Smith College doesn't have greek life.

I'm sure the OP saw a pretty lilly print and randomly picked it.

Smith College will never have greek life.

IndianaSigKap 09-25-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmagirl2000 (Post 2242793)
I'm sure the OP saw a pretty lilly print and randomly picked it.

Ha!

Maybe we should just do away with recruitment and let PNMs chose chapters based on the Lilly or Vineyard Vines print they like best. I think that sounds like a real time saver! No recruitment rehearsals or MS. :D

aab225 10-02-2013 08:42 AM

I saw this on facebook not too long ago. Extremely bizarre. I'm sure it's been brought to the attention of EO by now, though, and surely they could squander this. Still so odd. Wonder why she chose DG... wish our name would stop being associated with these things (I'm talking to you Rebecca from Maryland.)

DGTess 10-02-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aab225 (Post 2243960)
I saw this on facebook not too long ago. Extremely bizarre. I'm sure it's been brought to the attention of EO by now, though, and surely they could squander this. Still so odd. Wonder why she chose DG... wish our name would stop being associated with these things (I'm talking to you Rebecca from Maryland.)

Yes. I heard from EO that it was already on their radar when I brought it to their attention. Another report I read noted they had learned about it through a Google alert (I knew I loved those alerts for a reason!). Once I knew EO was on top of it, I just let it go.

I guess it's good that women want to join us ... but I'm also tickled we can say "No. Just, no."

DGTess 10-02-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aab225 (Post 2243960)
I saw this on facebook not too long ago. Extremely bizarre. I'm sure it's been brought to the attention of EO by now, though, and surely they could squander this. Still so odd. Wonder why she chose DG... wish our name would stop being associated with these things (I'm talking to you Rebecca from Maryland.)

Yes. I heard from EO that it was already on their radar when I brought it to their attention. Another report I read noted they had learned about it through a Google alert (I knew I loved those alerts for a reason!). Once I knew EO was on top of it, I just let it go.

I guess it's good that women want to join us ... but I'm also tickled we can say "No. Just, no."

AOII Angel 10-02-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2242796)
Ha!

Maybe we should just do away with recruitment and let PNMs chose chapters based on the Lilly or Vineyard Vines print they like best. I think that sounds like a real time saver! No recruitment rehearsals or MS. :D

You'd like that with your reasonable, looks like Sigma Kappa print wouldn't you?!:mad: Here we are with the scary pandas scaring away all the PNMs swearing we don't mix pepto pink and burgundy as our colors. :p

chi-o_cat 10-02-2013 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aab225 (Post 2243960)
Wonder why she chose DG...

Here’s my (totally unsubstantiated, completely speculated) theory, assuming that the email wasn’t intended to be satire:

The author of the email chose, for whatever reason, to attend Smith. One of her high school BFFs chose to attend some other college that has Greek Life, a more typical campus atmosphere, and fall recruitment. The BFF joined Delta Gamma and told her Smithie friend all about how completely awesome everything was at her school and especially being a DG new member. Our Smithie friend figured if BFF was having so much fun in DG, then why should she let a little thing like Greek life not existing at her campus –and all the mean, scary lesbians!- stop her from doing the same.

AZTheta 10-02-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2242796)
Ha!

Maybe we should just do away with recruitment and let PNMs chose chapters based on the Lilly or Vineyard Vines print they like best. I think that sounds like a real time saver! No recruitment rehearsals or MS. :D

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2243970)
You'd like that with your reasonable, looks like Sigma Kappa print wouldn't you?!:mad: Here we are with the scary pandas scaring away all the PNMs swearing we don't mix pepto pink and burgundy as our colors. :p


Ha ha ha (evil laugh). I am most annoyed, as Lilly's newest line includes gold and black fabric. I kid you not. Lilly's hatred for Theta is exceeded only by those scary pepto pandas. Although the turquoise and yellow pansies that do not resemble pansies are pretty horrific.

I need to go lie down.

ASUADPi 10-02-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chi-o_cat (Post 2243979)
Here’s my (totally unsubstantiated, completely speculated) theory, assuming that the email wasn’t intended to be satire:

The author of the email chose, for whatever reason, to attend Smith. One of her high school BFFs chose to attend some other college that has Greek Life, a more typical campus atmosphere, and fall recruitment. The BFF joined Delta Gamma and told her Smithie friend all about how completely awesome everything was at her school and especially being a DG new member. Our Smithie friend figured if BFF was having so much fun in DG, then why should she let a little thing like Greek life not existing at her campus –and all the mean, scary lesbians!- stop her from doing the same.

actually sound pretty plausible.

I know nothing about Smith College, so I'm a bit lost about all the talk regarding this school. Can someone fill me in.

chi-o_cat 10-02-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 2243981)
I know nothing about Smith College, so I'm a bit lost about all the talk regarding this school. Can someone fill me in.

Smith is a women's liberal arts college in Northhampton, MA. The town itself, and the campus are very well-known as having a very large lesbian community and being very LGBT-friendly, progressive, etc. That is what leaves many of us scratching our heads a bit over a student who would go there, then feel like she needs to create some sort of sanctuary for straight students. If someone is going to feel out-of-place among LGBT folks, then Smith is probably not their ideal campus.

If you're interested in reading a book that gives a pretty thorough (fictional but presumably based on the author's real experiences) account of being a student at Smith, you might want to check out Commencement by J.Courtney Sullivan.

ASUADPi 10-02-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chi-o_cat (Post 2243982)
Smith is a women's liberal arts college in Northhampton, MA. The town itself, and the campus are very well-known as having a very large lesbian community and being very LGBT-friendly, progressive, etc. That is what leaves many of us scratching our heads a bit over a student who would go there, then feel like she needs to create some sort of sanctuary for straight students. If someone is going to feel out-of-place among LGBT folks, then Smith is probably not their ideal campus.

If you're interested in reading a book that gives a pretty thorough (fictional but presumably based on the author's real experiences) account of being a student at Smith, you might want to check out Commencement by J.Courtney Sullivan.

Thanks sweetie. I'll have to see if my library has that book.

sigmagirl2000 10-02-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chi-o_cat (Post 2243982)
Smith is a women's liberal arts college in Northhampton, MA. The town itself, and the campus are very well-known as having a very large lesbian community and being very LGBT-friendly, progressive, etc. That is what leaves many of us scratching our heads a bit over a student who would go there, then feel like she needs to create some sort of sanctuary for straight students. If someone is going to feel out-of-place among LGBT folks, then Smith is probably not their ideal campus.

If you're interested in reading a book that gives a pretty thorough (fictional but presumably based on the author's real experiences) account of being a student at Smith, you might want to check out Commencement by J.Courtney Sullivan.

After living as an undergraduate student, graduate student, and staying to work and teach in the immediate Northampton area until a few years ago, I was excited to read this book. Although I enjoyed it, I still don't feel it really got all the nuances of the area. I listened to it on an audiobook, it was an easy listen.

Wynter 10-02-2013 07:04 PM

Ugh, that is absolutely disgusting. Sort of like a White Student Union...

33girl 10-02-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wynter (Post 2244079)
Ugh, that is absolutely disgusting. Sort of like a White Student Union...

I wouldn't go so far as to call it disgusting...more like incredibly naive to enroll there and not understand what you're getting into. Unless her grandma went there back in the Seven Sisters days and she thinks nothing has changed since then.


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