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Hartofsec 09-22-2013 11:23 AM

Winners, losers emerge in UA sorority race debate
 
Not in the loop regarding the conspiracy/tent talk that apparently locked the previous thread, but the press continues:


Winners, losers emerge in UA sorority race debate


http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/...ml#incart_2box

AZTheta 09-22-2013 11:36 AM

denial. hint: it is not a river in Egypt.

violetgeek 09-22-2013 12:07 PM

Hart, at first i thought you were just a clueless Alum with a strange focus on Delta Gamma at UA. Now I see you for the troll you are, go away.

DrPhil 09-22-2013 12:11 PM

How dare you all get that other thread closed. GC heathens, the whole lot a ya!

DrPhil 09-22-2013 12:18 PM

And I don't think it is ever appropriate to call out usernames' real names. Find other ways to bitch slap them. I still don't know who in the hell this person is but I prefer for people to not be called out using their real name.

ASTalumna06 09-22-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2241853)
And I don't think it is ever appropriate to call out usernames' real names. Find other ways to bitch slap them. I still don't know who in the hell this person is but I prefer for people to not be called out using their real name.

I agree... but I don't think Hart helped her cause by continuing to comment and obviously play dumb, even when she was essentially being called out. It almost seemed like she was pushing for it to happen.

DrPhil 09-22-2013 12:51 PM

GC would be boring if usernames didn't sometimes push. Sometimes you have to find other ways to respond to their push. This has been discussed on GC before.

Bama54 09-22-2013 03:12 PM

Does anyone know what other Bama sororities have pledged minorities? Am hoping that finally the gates are opened! Historically the machine fraternities have helped in keeping the gates closed. It is my understanding the NPC sororities have agreed to a pact to circumvent any backlash.

SydneyK 09-22-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241889)
Does anyone know what other Bama sororities have pledged minorities? Am hoping that finally the gates are opened! Historically the machine fraternities have helped in keeping the gates closed. It is my understanding the NPC sororities have agreed to a pact to circumvent any backlash.

:rolleyes: Hi there, Hart.

Bama54 09-22-2013 03:24 PM

Say what? My second post and you are rude?
This is why I hate message boards.
I asked a question and the answer interests me. I am ready for my University and it's Greek system to join the 21st century. Having gone to school in the 70s and watched Panhellenic bow to the Machine, am particularly glad to see the Greek women of Alabama stand up to them. Yes I know sororities, including mine, are members......in name only
Anyway....
Thank you so much for the welcome.

SydneyK 09-22-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241898)
Say what? My second post and you are rude?
This is why I hate message boards.
I asked a question and the answer interests me. I am ready for my University and it's Greek system to join the 21st century. Having gone to school in the 70s and watched Panhellenic bow to the Machine, am particularly glad to see the Greek women of Alabama stand up to them. Yes I know sororities, including mine, are members......in name only
Anyway....
Thank you so much for the welcome.

Oh. So you're not Hartofsec? Hm.

The timing seemed so coincidental I just assumed you two were one in the same. If I was wrong, my apologies.

Welcome to GC!

amIblue? 09-22-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 2241900)
Oh. So you're not Hartofsec? Hm.

The timing seemed so coincidental I just assumed you two were one in the same. If I was wrong, my apologies.

Welcome to GC!

To me, the response cemented your theory. Someone new to the scene wouldn't have known to what you were referring to call you rude. Oh well.

ASTalumna06 09-22-2013 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2241904)
To me, the response cemented your theory. Someone new to the scene wouldn't have known to what you were referring to call you rude. Oh well.

Exaaaaactly...

Bama54 09-22-2013 03:42 PM

I have asked the admins to check my URL and my email (which is my real name BTW).
If you don't know the answer to my question, then why be rude?

DrPhil 09-22-2013 03:46 PM

The eye roll is what made it rude.

I would love for that to be Hart because it would be fun and I'm at the airport. If it isn't Hart, I hope that person doesn't bore us with such questions. Been there, done that.

SydneyK 09-22-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2241904)
To me, the response cemented your theory. Someone new to the scene wouldn't have known to what you were referring to call you rude. Oh well.

Yeah. I thought about that, and figured I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. I'd just hate to be considered one of those shrill and vitriolic GCers. ;)

She's got the admins on it, though, so I'm sure it'll all get ironed out soon enough. :D

Oh, and just for fun...
:rolleyes::eek::p:cool::D

amIblue? 09-22-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241907)
If you don't know the answer to my question, then why be rude?

Because


Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2241912)
If it isn't Hart, I hope that person doesn't bore us with such questions. Been there, done that.


DrPhil 09-22-2013 03:55 PM

You all better answer that question!!!! Which sorority(ies) at UA wears the Diversity Dashiki?

AnchorAlumna 09-22-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241889)
Does anyone know what other Bama sororities have pledged minorities? Am hoping that finally the gates are opened! Historically the machine fraternities have helped in keeping the gates closed. It is my understanding the NPC sororities have agreed to a pact to circumvent any backlash.

AOPi is one.

Bama54 09-22-2013 04:10 PM

Thank you Anchor! Glad to hear that!

So the answer to my question is buried in a thread somewhere! I only get 2 names, Alpha Gam and Theta from local news and Internet searches. I will spend the rest of the day searching here...not. It will come out sooner or later. I hope to see mine joining the list soon.

DrPhil 09-22-2013 04:22 PM

I guess that username toooooold you all. Now what else can this thread be used for? I have another 1 1/2 hours at the airport.

AZTheta 09-22-2013 04:33 PM

a diversity quilt would be ... oh, nevermind.

um - minorities. This confuses me. What's the context? Do we mean anyone who isn't WASP? yet, in AZ in some counties the majority population is NOT caucasian. can someone help define terms so i don't get lost?

Blue Skies 09-22-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241889)
Does anyone know what other Bama sororities have pledged minorities?

In the past (about a decade ago,) GPhiB. Currently, AGD and Theta. Chi O and AOPi both offered a bid to the same woman. I'm not sure which one she accepted. There may be others.

DrPhil 09-22-2013 04:42 PM

"Minority" refers to the small subset of the GC population who is more awesome than AZTheta.

You know what "minority" refers to even in environments where white Anglosaxon Prostestants are the population size minority.

Titchou 09-22-2013 04:49 PM

I think what she's talking about is that all the articles on the UA situation state that X number of bids were given to AAs and Y number to "other minorities" with no clarification as to what those entail.

AZTheta 09-22-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2241939)
"Minority" refers to the small subset of the GC population who is more awesome than AZTheta.

You know what "minority" refers to even in environments where white Anglosaxon Prostestants are the population size minority.

*blush* AND sadly, I do know - and it's just bugging me. a lot. i am thinking that i am thinking too much.

you want a quilt, don't you? i saw gorgeous crimson and cream fabric... been collecting shabby chic prints for another GCer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2241943)
I think what she's talking about is that all the articles on the UA situation state that X number of bids were given to AAs and Y number to "other minorities" with no clarification as to what those entail.

thanks guys.

amIblue? 09-22-2013 04:57 PM

Wondering how long before this thread gets closed.

AOII Angel 09-22-2013 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherrypi (Post 2241946)
I bet bama54 has pretty teeth.

That's just a tiny bit creepy.

MysticCat 09-22-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2241949)
That's just a tiny bit creepy.

More than a tiny bit.

PersistentDST 09-22-2013 06:02 PM

You guys are so funny...and so is this thread! Diversity dashiki's and quilt's...

Hartofsec 09-22-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2241842)
denial. hint: it is not a river in Egypt.


Quite a while back a prolific member here sent me a PM nastygram and said that some of you were "investigating" me. I'm not sure why I was subject to a Greek Chat investigation.

But I would be really interested to know the results of your "investigation."

Investigation Biddies!


ETA: In the interest of accuracy, I was told that you all were "researching" me. Just checked my past PMs.

Hartofsec 09-22-2013 06:17 PM

In other news, I understand that England's granddaughter pledged a chapter, but not one I have seen speculated upon here at GC.

Hopefully the Investigation Biddies will be on it immediately.

Bama54 09-22-2013 06:27 PM

Thank you Blue Skies and Yes, Tichou that is exactly what I am talking about. Sorry Dr Phil was offended. If I wanted to pledge a NPHC sorority, I would be a minority. If my child, who was born in India, wanted to pledge an NPC sorority at Bama, she would be a minority. It would not offend her to be called so, nor would I be offended.
Too bad real discussion can't be done in this thread. The subject is something I have done my part to change over the past 20 years. I am very happy these young women spoke up and even more happy at the pact the NPC sororities have made.
Contrary to what many of you apparently believe all Alabama Greek Alums are not prejudiced and even more difficult for you to believe is that those of us who grew up in the 60s are even less so. But then, we are the women who fought with our sisters of all races in the business world to open doors that were closed to women of all races.
Thank you.

MysticCat 09-22-2013 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241971)
Sorry Dr Phil was offended.

Not to worry. I'm pretty sure DrPhil wasn't offended.

Quote:

If I wanted to pledge a NPHC sorority, I would be a minority. If my child, who was born in India, wanted to pledge an NPC sorority at Bama, she would be a minority. It would not offend her to be called so, nor would I be offended.
If you've been doing your part to change things over the last 20 years, then I'm sure that you're well aware that generally, "minorities" means non-whites, and that the word has not just situational meanings (like a white person in an NPHC org), but deeper and broader historical and cultural meanings.

Quote:

Too bad real discussion can't be done in this thread.
Of course real discussion can be "done." At least it can unless newbies make pronouncements out of the gate about how there can' the any "real discussions"—pronouncements that easily come across as attempts to deflect real discussion.

KDCat 09-22-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2241916)
You all better answer that question!!!! Which sorority(ies) at UA wears the Diversity Dashiki?

Does the Diversity Dashiki come in Lilly prints?:p

Bama54 09-22-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2241976)
If you've been doing your part to change things over the last 20 years, then I'm sure that you're well aware that generally, "minorities" means non-whites, and that the word has not just situational meanings (like a white person in an NPHC org), but deeper and broader historical and cultural meanings.

.

From Dictionary.com "minority."

3. group differing, especially in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population

There was a time I was a minority at my job. I certainly was a minority at Bidgood Hall (the building that housed the school of business when I was at Alabama) and I was a minority when I worked in Haiti.

Oh and I have watched this forum for a while here and there. Even though I am retired, I don't have the time or inclination to make 100s of posting on chat boards.

So that being said, if anyone has the information and wants to be kind enough to ask the question originally asked, thank you.

I won't respond further to immature and rude comments.

Jen 09-22-2013 07:43 PM

You come off like you think your experience being a minority at your job equals the experience of ethnic minorities every day of their lives. Even as a "minority" in your job and in foreign countries, you still have white privilege and always will.

MysticCat 09-22-2013 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama54 (Post 2241983)
From Dictionary.com "minority."

3. group differing, especially in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population.

And in this country, unlike Haiti, the majority of the population is white, so the minority is non-white. People, particularly white people, who use the words "minority" or "minorities" without further explanation or qualification rarely if ever mean anything else unless they (1) qualify how they were or are a minority, like by being a white student at an HBCU, and (2) are trying to suggest that that experience gives them an understanding of what it's like to be non-white in American society.

DrPhil 09-22-2013 08:25 PM

LOL. What in the samhell is Bama54 typing about? Bama54 has officially become dumb. Why couldn't the dumb happen when I was bored and waiting for my flight? I'm back home now. :mad:

Quote:

Originally Posted by KDCat (Post 2241981)
Does the Diversity Dashiki come in Lilly prints?:p

Of course! :D AZTheta and I shall sew it.

33girl 09-22-2013 08:36 PM

None of you answered my question while I was out having Panhellenic drinks.

Is there Green Book verbiage that sets a time limit for bid acceptance? Just someone open their stupid book and look it up and tell me. Don't make a big I Ate Your Parents Scott Tenorman-level deal out of it.


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