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The sorority cost/money/financial thread.
{The money talk happens everywhere on GC, so I wanted to make a central place to talk (to PNMs and anyone else) about money. The treasurer/housing corp/financial peeps, rejoice.}
So you want to join a sorority? Awesome. In case you have not guessed, it costs money. It is actually required of Panhellenics to provide PNMs with some sort of cost/financial info. However, it's up to your school HOW they choose to provide it. Your school might be awesome (like mine was) and provide you with a detailed cost breakdown outlining every single thing that is going to require money for the entire year. Others will just give you a ballpark number such as "Costs per year range anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000." If you get a ballpark, assume and plan for the higher side. Don't assume, "It won't be that high." Even if you get a bid to $2,000 chapter, it may end up being more like $4,000 if those costs don't include socials, parlor fees, etc. Also, even if you're given good info, consider that there are some chapters who are "all-inclusive" meaning that you pay what appears to be a higher cost, but have things built into your dues like formal tickets, favors, etc. For example: An all inclusive chapter might have first year costs of like $5,000, but include tickets to all your socials, favors, all tee shirts for every event etc. Non-All Inclusive might be $4,000. It seems less expensive, but you pay separately for tickets, parking, socials, out of pocket. There is merit here in that you can CHOOSE whether you'd like to attend x party or formal, rather than pay automatically for the tickets. There are pros and cons to each! Also consider live-in costs. Sometimes it's cheaper than the dorms, sometimes it's equal. Many times (particularly with the level of awesomeness in a lot of newer chapter houses), it costs more. There are also some chapters who REQUIRE you to live in the chapter house for a certain length of time. You are not a special snowflake, you will be expected to do it. Keep that in mind. There are OTHER costs associated with being Greek that don't always show up in the financial info such as having a Little Sister, craft supplies, etc. as well. In addition, there are chapters who may fine members for missing events, meetings, etc. Keep that in mind as well. Most importantly, consider your financial resources before deciding to pursue recruitment. This is a lifetime commitment and as such, it carries a financial commitment as well. Do you need to be super mega rich to join? No! But as soon as you get that bid, there are going to be financial responsibilities coming due (really, like you get a bid and many times your first payment of NM fees is due prior to your NM ceremony.) You need to have a plan for how you are going to afford it. Too often, members join, not thinking of the cost. Then once they realize that it is super costly, they depledge or even worse, terminate their memberships. Please avoid wasting sorority time and ensure that you have a plan in place to address sorority costs should you receive a bid. Note: A plan is not assuming "oh my parents will pay." Don't assume. You need to get confirmation that they'll do so (and be upfront with THEM about how much it may cost.) Additional note: A plan is not, "I'll take the bid worry about it later." No because in 4 weeks you'll be all "omg I can't afford this and I'm dropping out." Ain't nobody got time for that. Really bad idea: assuming "Oh they have payment plans." Some do, some do not allow it. Part-time jobs are a good plan, especially one that's flexible with student schedules. I guess the point of this thread is to talk money/allow you to ask questions and encourage you to do your homework on costs before you commit. So you got a bid! For the active sorority member. Congrats! Now pay your dues, on time. All the time. Your chapter and National HQ depend on it. There is no chapter if no one pays. Don't pay your dues? Some sororities do not allow you to participate in certain things. Don't be all "Why can't I go to date party?" when you have a $1,200 balance. Nonpayment may even cause you to lose your membership. most importantly, it shafts your sisters whom you say you care about. (not being dramatic, every missing dollar impacts the budget and falls on others.) Be financially smart: If paying dues is hard for you one month, maybe you don't need that new Lilly sorority bag. You'll survive without it. I promise. Necessities first, extras second. |
Excellent, my dear!
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I have a question for those more "in-the-know" with a variety of schools - would you advise PNMs who are concerned about money to inquire during parties what all the money covers? Like maybe she can afford a chapter that's $5000 a semester all inclusive, but not one that's $4000 plus money for socials, etc. I know advice here is generally to not go through recruitment if you aren't prepared to find a way to afford the most expensive chapter (in case you fall in love wit them and they bid you), just curious.
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^^Someone beat me to my question! Haha.
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I am a while out of school, but I am pretty sure that costs are covered by the sororities during one of the parties. You should NOT ask the actives during a rush party. Advisors, please correct me if this is not accurate.
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I've always thought that there needs to be a matrix like this:
Chapter | New . . . . | Active | Active . | Room & | Parties & | . . Standard . . . . . . . | Member . | (Fall) . | (Spring)| Board/ . | T-Shirts, . | . . Badge . . . . . . . | Fees . . . . | Fees . | Fees . . | Semester | Etc. . . . . . | ABC . . | . . . $2,500 | $1,600 | $1,600 | $4,000 . . | . . . .$700 | . . $150 DEF . . | . . . $3,500 | $2,000 | $2,000 | $4,000 . . | . . . . . .$0* | . .$0* . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . *Included in Fees GHI . . . | . . . $1,500 | $1,200 | $1,200 | $4,000 . . | . . . $1700 | .$100 And so on . . . So rarely is this done effectively, on a level playing field, or made understandable to the PNM without a foreign language interpreter. |
Often times,with diligent searching on a college's greek life website, or in the greek recruitment guide distributed prior to recruitment (in the summer for fall rush), costs are listed. It may take some digging.
You could also contact the greek life office and ask for the high and low sorority costs- I imagine that you would not have to identify yourself. For instance, the costs of each chapter at FSU are listed in the 2013 recruitment guide here (financial info. is on page 10): http://greeklife.fsu.edu/Current-Mem...To-Recruitment |
From the Ole Miss web site:
"What are the costs of joining a fraternity or sorority? The Registration fee for Formal Recruitment is $100. It is due when you submit your application form online. The costs associated with the individual chapter dues are fairly subjective. We highly encourage potential new members to ask about the financial costs of each chapter during the first round of Recruitment. It is a very common topic of conversation, and should not be an awkward question. Typically, most chapters will address this issue up front. The average dues are about $350 per month, which includes membership fees, meal plan, social parties, t-shirts, and other items. For some groups, some of these costs are separate from the main dues. But please note, each house is different, this is simply an average estimate. It is also noteworthy that after the first year, dues are somewhat less because of the costs associated with initiation." Link http://dos.orgsync.com/greek_parents I think this is insufficient. And suggesting that a PNM ask the Chapter during recruitment is malpractice per se and unrealistic. That being said wonderful changes have been happening at the Greek Life level at Ole Miss, I just hope they know that there is more ground they need to cover before they slow down on the improvements. |
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Every chapter hands out sheet with a table on it with the following cost items : NM Fee Badge Cost (most basic) Initiation fees Dues (fall) Dues (Spring) Room & Board Live-in requirement (1 or 2 years) Live-out/parlor fees Estimated social costs (date parties, etc.) and y or n if they are inclusive. Fines (indicating if they fined for anything like missed chapter, etc.) Payment plans offered (y or n) Optional costs (eg extra tees for events, etc.) Total costs for 2013-2014 You get one of these sheets at EVERY chapter. By the end of the first day, you know exactly what you're getting into cost-wise. They were given out at COR as well. |
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How is the recruitment registration fee spent? Is this money distributed to the chapters? ..Is it used by Panhellenic for the bid day hoopla? ..Something else? I imagine it could vary by school - and I don't want to completely derail this thread - so if someone could just throw out there a few possible ways it could be spent, that'd be great. Just curious... |
No, it does not go to the chapters. Typically it might cover any meals or entertainment/convocation expenses for the PNMs, tee shirts for the PNMs and PH Council and the Recruitment counselors, possibly meals and other incidentals for the PH recruitment team, name tags, etc.
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To answer the question about asking about costs during a party, it is recommended that you don't. One reason is because talking money is kind of frowned upon in polite circles. But really, more importantly is if you aren't speaking with the treasurer, you can't guarantee the information you're getting is accurate. I have no idea, seriously at all, what sorority membership cost me. I know it was not a lot and our house was in line to a little cheaper than others, but the costs were all on my u-bill, which my parents paid (don't be too stoked for me.... I paid the student loans for about FOREVER). So if you'd have asked me during rush I'd have had to him and haw and desperately try to get someone's attention who could answer you. Conversation comes to a screeching halt... BAD party.
If your school is good, they lay it all out in a spreadsheet for every sorority and there are no questions. If you are at a bad school (where it applies to this), do the best you can to figure it out, and then once you are an active member, get yourself on Panhel and get that fixed! |
My school's recruitment guide only list the monthly chapter dues and housing costs but nothing else, like the new member fees and such. Also, I emailed the Greek Life office and only received an estimate for a new member about $750-900 pertaining to the whole year. I supposed since it wasn't listed in detail as it is for the other two major schools in my state, it would just be best to see how it is, if it is, mentioned during recruitment. I just wondered as I found a chapter site for one of the sororities on my campus and they have a "questions to ask during recruitment" guide on their page and the financial commitment was listed as a possible question to ask. Hmm.
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I would start by asking your rho chi (or whatever they guides are called at your school). They are usually the ones to disseminate the information. If they can't help you, then by day 3 of rush, it's time to ask during a party. Since you can't take paperwork (or ANYTHING) away from a party, it's pretty tough for the sorority to share much with you.
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In my experience, the matrix listed above wouldn't work at a small campus with only 2 or 3 chapters because then you run into a situation of one chapter appearing to be more affordable than another, but yet on another campus with more chapters, you don't want to be known as the "cheap sorority" either.
I don't know if this is a problem anymore, but a few years ago on one campus I work with, it was like pulling teeth to get accurate, fair information to provide to PNMs. One chapter on campus was reporting the bare minimum to panhellenic, and NOT telling the PNMs about how they fined out the wazoo (which is why they were able to afford listing their dues so low). My chapter preferred to list our dues as all inclusive, but finally had to pull a few things out and list as separate "optional charges" just to appear more financially competitive. Again, I don't think this is an issue anymore... but it definitely used to be, and it was a complete nightmare and a headache. Recruitment strategy should not stoop to being dishonest about financial obligations :( |
That's why I think it's an issue for Panhel. There needs to be a consistency. In addition (as an example), at Iowa there were rules to what things could cost (no more than the dorms and meal plan), so nobody could be WAY more. The preferred result for everyone listing full and fair accounting is the rushees would say, OK, I got it. They all cost give or take X number, and I'm cool with that. When you have girls choosing chapters based on cost, all hell can break loose.
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It's definitely a Panhel issue, I agree 100%. It's just frustrating and wanted to get opinions from others on whether PNMs asking was a good idea or not (as on, encouraging rho chis to tell the PNMs to ask at houses or not). I apologize for the slight hijack of the thread and all of the typos. I'm not so great with my new phone yet and was trying to type way too quickly. |
When I was our regional housing director, a particular chapter kept telling me that they were more expensive than everyone else because of house corporation and that it was hurting them in recruitment. PH published the numbers the chapters gave them. it took me THREE years of asking to see the numbers before I got all the information. PH sent a form to the chapter PRESIDENTS (what? why not the VP:Finance???) and she filled it out. Well, our president was filling it out incorrectly every year because she didn't understand the form...which really did attempt to make it apples to apples. When I completed the form, their fees - according to the layout by PH - were almost $1000 less than they had been reporting. I think it's very important that the numbers are computed by someone who really understands the form and the fees and that PH publish it correctly. While all chapters are supposed to discuss fees during recruitment (according to NPC), the PNMs really just cannot absorb it all in that environment.
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This is also why NPC recommends publishing ranges so no group is judged as the most or lease expensive. I've found the ranges also prevent the intentional under estimators. |
Just wanted to submit UCF's cost sheet for last year - I think it's a good example of how things should be laid out. http://fsl.sdes.ucf.edu/docs/pan/Pan...er%20Costs.pdf
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That is good Leximarie.
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I remember that we got financial forms from each of the sororities that we attended on house tour day and we were allowed to take them with us. I also remember that we were not allowed to take anything else out with us on any of the other days.
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Thanks, you all, for the great info. I'll let our recruitment team know to get in contact with our AA about getting to keep the sheets.
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We're able to do it because (like you said) we are not being petty and all "omg they taking something from the chapters!!!" It's important to focus on the spirit of the rule here: Is taking it home infringing on a PNMs right to a fair recruitment? No. Ok then. |
This is from my daughter's school. It's very helpful. It was printed in the rush guide booklet last year, but I notice it's not in this year's. But the link is quite obvious on the Greek Life home page.
http://www.wlu.edu/Documents/student...bligations.pdf Just to put it in perspective, here's the fraternity version. Yikes. http://www.wlu.edu/Documents/student...bligations.pdf |
Important topic for all the PNMs out there. Bumping.
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Money is so important. Bumping!
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Why don't you request this thread be pinned? It seems a good candidate.
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This one needs a bump!
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Pay yo bills. Thanks.
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^^^^I graduated in December and paid alumnae dues in Feb (they're due annually in Feb for us.) It depends on your sorority. I would personally start as soon as you can afford to.
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We don't have to pay our national dues the first year we are alums. You can pay your local dues though.
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Bumping because I know it's May and folks are really starting to plan out their recruitments!
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Otherwise, if you aren't in an association, you can pay online at http://www.alphaxidelta.org/alpha-xi...-alumnae-dues/ |
Bumping this for PNMs. Sorority life is a big financial commitment! Do your homework BEFORE you go through recruitment!
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