NPC question
 

I'm not sure if this is the right forum or not, but here goes.

In another thread DubaiSis mentioned an unknown (she couldn't remember the name) GLO that might be the next addition to NPC.

So I got to wondering...

How does a local go about joining the NPC? What are the pros/cons to them joining NPC? Do these locals have to have a certain amount of chapters to even be considered to join NPC? Are there any locals now who are considering it?

I've always wondered how a sorority would go about joining the NPC!

My guess is that they would have to be a strong National to be considered (or even international).

I haven't heard of anyone trying to join though!

From the NPC Manual of Information (MOI), aka the Green Book,:

Requirements for Membership
A women’s fraternity must have been established in its national character for a minimum of 13 years; all of its collegiate chapters must be established in senior colleges and universities authorized to confer bachelor degrees and recognized by the appropriate regional association of colleges and universities; and it must have at least 14 chapters, of which the latest established is at least two years old.

straightforward enough.

In the same way that NPHC fraternities can be members of NIC, could NPHC sororities join the NPC? Of course I'm neglecting the huge structural differences that make it virtually impossible, but just asking.

What about a MCGLO or Asian sorority (I dont know if they also fall under MCG)?

I doubt they would want to belong to both groups so they'd have to pick one. And since NPHC groups don't recruit the same way NPC groups do, I'd think that an impediment.

They COULD but they'd have to accept NPC recruitment policy and somehow I don't see that happening. I think there are some schools where it could work, but having the NPHC convert to rush instead of intake would kind of go against everything they stand for.

I could see, if they wanted to increase their membership at a big school that has a very diverse population, they could participate, at least partially, in formal rush. And I suppose if it went well they could expand the test.

I don't see it for most of the MCGLOs (including the Asian ones) because most of them aren't at nearly enough schools to be able to compete financially. But they could still participate in formal rush if they wanted to. 4-H participates in rush at Illinois, for example. And I think this is the answer at Indiana. Before long NPC is going to be fully represented and they probably still won't have resolution for the numbers problem. So they start begging the NPHC, MCGLOs, specialty GLOs, etc. to participate to defray some of the abundance. I have some ideas swirling through my head on how to do that, but it would head us WAY off topic.

I kind of think this whole discussion is inappropriate. The NPHC and the MCGLOs are thriving without the NPC. I'm sure if they wanted to be part of the NPC, it could happen, but I can't imagine why they'd want to.

Because this seems to be the night for needlessly parsing the MOI, if you had fourteen chapters that were at least two years old, but then one more that was newer than that, would you be eligible?

Realistically are there any non NPC chapters that would even be a possibility other than Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi and the Alpha Omega Epsilon (? is that the name of the Greek engineering sorority)?

What about sigma alpha? It's an ag sorority that seems to have a lot of chapters. And I believe there are 3 engineering sororities, in addition to what you mentioned there are Alpha Sigma Kappa, and Phi sigma Rho. Of the three only Alpha Sigma Kappa has less chapters than the other two who both have over twenty chapters each. My friend and I have been discussing establishing a chapter of an engineering sorority when we transfer so we have been learning everything we can.
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Did Kappa Beta Gamma make a formal decision about working towards joining the NPC? I have a very vague memory of them going their own route but that could be wrong. Just curious.

Begging? Yeah...no. A school's greek system shouldn't force PNMs to consider other orgs outside their formal rush system just to alleviate crowding. Can you encourage? Sure. At the very least, sororities outside of NPC can host events during rush week at their discretion and be very clear that a. Membership intake will not happen inthe first weeks of school and b. freshmen are (for the most part) ineligible for membership (yes I'm aware that many schools allow 2nd semester freshmen to apply for membership).

I don't think the conversation is inappropriate but the implication that NPHC or MCG orgs would because they "need to" for numbers is. I dont think that opinion has been asserted.

The question really was a hypothetical. If it ain't broke don't fix it. But I do see value in both models re: recruitment and I think there are lessons to learn.

I'm sure you could. It's not like they would expect them to stop adding chapters for two years to be NPC eligible. That would be counterproductive. They're just saying that if you have 30 chapters, at least 14 of them have to be at least 2 years old.

AHA! It was Kappa Beta Gamma I was thinking of.

A few years back, a Phi Sigma Rho member posted in a discussion regarding the possibility of PSR joining the NPC. While Phi Sigma Rho is a social sorority, their membership is restricted to women in engineering and engineering technology. And if I remember correctly NPC by-laws (Unanimous Agreements maybe) would require PSR to open their membership to all women on campus - regardless of their area field of study - or something along those lines. Which Phi Sigma Rho is (was?) not intrested in doing.

This...couldn't actually be the case, though, because each NPC member group can set its own requirements. Now, it would be HUGELY STUPID to participate in NPC recruitment at a school with few women in STEM fields if you only took women in STEM fields, because it would be expensive and time-consuming and you'd be way off on all of your RFM numbers, but the NPC bylaws would actually not prevent it.

Sort of. They have a house and participate in the first round, but the only PNMs who are eligible for membership are 4-H members, so it isn't truly participating.

Your right (as you so often are), I didn't correctly remember the reason. :o

I just did a search and the reason given by PhiRhoSister - the Phi Sigma Rho member - was NPC's lack of an open expansion policy.

The above quote came from this 2005-2007 thread.

Question: Does anyone ever see the NPC allowing inclusion of a 27th group?

Well, that happens anyway, if an interest group makes themselves so obviously gung ho for (insert one of those mentioned groups there) and so obviously would be repelled by another group, but has been on campus a while and isn't going away. I.e. even if Panhel opens and chooses a sorority other than what the group wants, the group won't join it and will stay active.