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naraht 07-10-2013 01:21 PM

Greeks whose names are subsets of others?
 
I was thinking about the fact that when I do web research for "Alpha Phi Omega" that everything would come up (and more) if I were trying to do web research for Alpha Phi. I'm trying to think about which GLOs are subsets of others that are at least moderately known (strong regional at least)

Alpha Phi: Alpha Phi Alpha, Alpha Phi Omega, Alpha Phi Delta, Alpha Phi Gamma and probably a few more (not familiar with any 'something Alpha Phi' groups.)

Both Sigma Alpha Epsilon and Alpha Epsilon Pi: Sigma Alpha Epsilon Pi.
Phi Mu: Phi Mu Delta
Sigma Nu: Alpha Sigma Nu

Any others spring to mind?

*Note, I'm not counting if a letter is added in the middle, so as an example Beta Pi (if it existed) would not be a subset of Beta Theta Pi

irishpipes 07-10-2013 01:35 PM

Alpha Chi Omega and Chi Omega

NutBrnHair 07-10-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 2224771)
Alpha Chi Omega and Chi Omega

Took the words right out of my mouth!

carnation 07-10-2013 01:46 PM

The Alpha Chi Omega/Chi Omega thing made it so hard for me to search for gifts for my daughters online, even when I put Chi Omega in quotes!

There was a problem at the last college I taught at with this. There had been a Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapter there forever and they called themselves Phi Mus, even though I've heard that most chapters call themselves Sinfonians. So when a Phi Mu chapter colonized, there were obviously problems!

AGDCanada11 07-10-2013 01:47 PM

Alpha Gamma Delta and Delta Gamma ... Searching for one always brings up results for the other!

Also, Alpha Delta Gamma

Titchou 07-10-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDCanada11 (Post 2224780)
Alpha Gamma Delta and Delta Gamma ... Searching for one always brings up results for the other!

Also, Alpha Delta Gamma

Amen!

NutBrnHair 07-10-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2224779)
The Alpha Chi Omega/Chi Omega thing made it so hard for me to search for gifts for my daughters online, even when I put Chi Omega in quotes!

In an advanced search (on some websites) you can search for:
Chi Omega -Alpha

carnation 07-10-2013 01:56 PM

Good! BlazerCheer wants some more Chi O flip-flops so I'll try that!

AlwaysSAI 07-10-2013 02:13 PM

Sigma Alpha (Agriculture Sorority), Sigma Alpha Iota (Music), Alpha Sigma Alpha (NPC), and Alpha Sigma Phi (NIC)....

Did I miss any?

naraht 07-10-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDCanada11 (Post 2224780)
Alpha Gamma Delta and Delta Gamma ... Searching for one always brings up results for the other!

Also, Alpha Delta Gamma

Well if you keep things in quotes, it will often put the ones in the right order first in Google, I think.

naraht 07-10-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI (Post 2224789)
Sigma Alpha (Agriculture Sorority), Sigma Alpha Iota (Music), Alpha Sigma Alpha (NPC), and Alpha Sigma Phi (NIC)....

Did I miss any?


Alpha Sigma Phi doesn't fit the same pattern since the letters Alpha and Sigma are flipped from Sigma Alpha.

AGDCanada11 07-10-2013 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSAI (Post 2224789)
Sigma Alpha (Agriculture Sorority), Sigma Alpha Iota (Music), Alpha Sigma Alpha (NPC), and Alpha Sigma Phi (NIC)....

Did I miss any?

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2224803)
Alpha Sigma Phi doesn't fit the same pattern since the letters Alpha and Sigma are flipped from Sigma Alpha.

True - but Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau, Alpha Sigma Phi, Alpha Sigma Multicultural Sorority, and Alpha Sigma Lambda are all "Alpha Sigma"

Psi U MC Vito 07-10-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2224779)
There was a problem at the last college I taught at with this. There had been a Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapter there forever and they called themselves Phi Mus, even though I've heard that most chapters call themselves Sinfonians. So when a Phi Mu chapter colonized, there were obviously problems!

The first time I went through the PM process in Sinfonia, one of the other PMs called us Phi Mu once, at which point i shut him down and said to never say that again because it was the name of a sorority.

amIblue? 07-10-2013 04:30 PM

What about Kappa Alpha and Kappa Alpha Theta. Also Phi Sigma Kappa and Sigma Kappa. Finally, Phi Kappa Sigma and Kappa Sigma.

aesovs 07-10-2013 04:31 PM

Gamma Phi Beta & Zeta Phi Beta (Also Gamma Beta Phi Honor Society). Also sometimes FIJI!

lizardz 07-10-2013 05:26 PM

Sigma Chi and Zeta Sigma Chi

tld221 07-10-2013 05:40 PM

Unless yall know of some locals names Sigma Gamma or Gamma Rho... :)

advantages of using a not-so-common greek letter. I often get other org's chapters named Gamma Rho or Sigma Gamma, though.

TSteven 07-10-2013 05:52 PM

Kappa Alpha Order and Kappa Alpha Society.

Leslie Anne 07-10-2013 06:01 PM

Kappa Delta and Kappa Delta Rho, Kappa Delta Pi.

Sometimes Alpha Kappa Delta, Pi Kappa Delta, and alpha Kappa Delta Phi. There are several locals too that show up.

TSteven 07-10-2013 06:13 PM

Sigma Phi and Sigma Phi Delta. Sigma Phi and Sigma Phi Epsilon.

MysticCat 07-10-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 2224768)
Phi Mu: Phi Mu Delta

And Phi Mu Alpha. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2224779)
There was a problem at the last college I taught at with this. There had been a Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapter there forever and they called themselves Phi Mus, even though I've heard that most chapters call themselves Sinfonians. So when a Phi Mu chapter colonized, there were obviously problems!

I've heard that occasionally (as in a handful of times in the last 30 years), and only on campuses where there is no Phi Mu chapter. But the chapter should have known better.

ETA: The random things one thinks of when walking the dog. I realized that I should mention that I can think of one old Sinfonian sweetheart song that sing the praises of "a girl of old Phi Mu."

Sciencewoman 07-10-2013 08:26 PM

At my daughter's school, they call both Pi Beta Phi and Pi Kappa Phi fraternity "Pi Phi." Everyone who is not a Pi Kappa Phi calls them "Guy Phi." Apparently, the brothers do not like this nickname, but it just makes things less confusing.

ElieM 07-10-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 2224826)
Unless yall know of some locals names Sigma Gamma or Gamma Rho... :)

The "sorority" from this TV series was called Sigma Gamma http://www.e4.com/sororitygirls/

AOII Angel 07-11-2013 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sciencewoman (Post 2224864)
At my daughter's school, they call both Pi Beta Phi and Pi Kappa Phi fraternity "Pi Phi." Everyone who is not a Pi Kappa Phi calls them "Guy Phi." Apparently, the brothers do not like this nickname, but it just makes things less confusing.

Why don't they go by Pi Kap?

amIblue? 07-11-2013 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2224945)
Why don't they go by Pi Kap?

I've heard that, but I have to admit that Guy Phi is pretty funny.

Sciencewoman 07-11-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by amIblue? (Post 2224948)
I've heard that, but I have to admit that Guy Phi is pretty funny.

I agree, and that's probably why it's stuck. Her campus happens to have about every fraternity that starts with a Pi or Phi, and ends with a Pi or Phi or Psi. I'm sure the students keep it straight, but I admit that I've thought, "who decided to let another Pi, Phi, Psi group colonize?" Any group with a clearly different set of letters would seem to be preferable!

alum 07-15-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2224779)
The Alpha Chi Omega/Chi Omega thing made it so hard for me to search for gifts for my daughters online, even when I put Chi Omega in quotes!

There was a problem at the last college I taught at with this. There had been a Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapter there forever and they called themselves Phi Mus, even though I've heard that most chapters call themselves Sinfonians. So when a Phi Mu chapter colonized, there were obviously problems!


Although not really a subset, I keep getting tons of Tri-Delta hits when I have been searching for DTD stuff for my son.

angels&angles 07-15-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2224945)
Why don't they go by Pi Kap?

The legend is that Pi Kappa Phi got kicked off campus sometime in the early part of the century, and when they were recolonized, their nationals "punished" them by not allowing them to be called Pi Kap anymore, and they became Pi Phi instead. W&L was an all-male school at that time.

Again, total urban legend. (Another: ATO was kicked off campus, and never allowed to come back [even though it's the Alpha Chapter {effectively--I think it's actually VMI}] for derailing a train into a campus building.)

On the other hand, W&L's fraternity naming system is just slightly off kilter from the rest of the country. Pi Kappa Alpha is called PIKA not Pike, and LXA is just Lambda, not Lambda Chi. Additionally, Sigma Phi Epsilon was SPE before they closed, and Sig Ep after their recolonization.

It's a friggin' weird place. I miss it.

pshsx1 07-15-2013 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 2224835)
Sigma Phi and Sigma Phi Epsilon.

I find this kind of funny because Sigma Phi was SigEp's original [proposed] name!

TSteven 07-15-2013 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pshsx1 (Post 2225606)
I find this kind of funny because Sigma Phi was SigEp's original [proposed] name!

And the original name of Sigma Chi.

Sciencewoman 07-15-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by angels&angles (Post 2225603)
The legend is that Pi Kappa Phi got kicked off campus sometime in the early part of the century, and when they were recolonized, their nationals "punished" them by not allowing them to be called Pi Kap anymore, and they became Pi Phi instead. W&L was an all-male school at that time.

On the other hand, W&L's fraternity naming system is just slightly off kilter from the rest of the country. Pi Kappa Alpha is called PIKA not Pike, and LXA is just Lambda, not Lambda Chi. Additionally, Sigma Phi Epsilon was SPE before they closed, and Sig Ep after their recolonization.

It's a friggin' weird place. I miss it.

Generallygreek gave the same explanation about Pi Kappa Phi, but she seemed to think the punishment was much more recent, because a brother told her that the ban had been lifted this year and they are now allowed to go by Pi Kap (I think this is a case of closing the barn door after the horse escaped...I think they're stuck with Guy Phi). She said the ban had something to do with them having a party while a national officer/visiting consultant was on campus. I thought it was highly suspect that anyone's national would tell them to go by Pi Phi, a well-known women's group. Your story about it happening when W&L was all male makes more sense.

We also called Pi Kappa Alpha PIKA, and my brother-in-law (who is one) told me that while PIKE is more common, PIKA is used at some chapters.

lulutnl3 07-19-2013 03:49 PM

For all the Kappa Alphas mentioned, I'm surprised no one said "Alpha Kappa Alpha" or "Kappa Alpha Psi"

naraht 07-19-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lulutnl3 (Post 2226309)
For all the Kappa Alphas mentioned, I'm surprised no one said "Alpha Kappa Alpha" or "Kappa Alpha Psi"

Agreed,

I'm not sure which would be worst to try to research online "Alpha Phi" or "Kappa Alpha" (with "Phi Mu" in third place, I think)


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