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ARS 03-20-2013 10:30 PM

Found: Chi Omega Pin
 
ARS is my initials and it happens to be the Latin word for "art, skill" so I will go by that name for now. It's actually apropos but more on that later. What I am here for is to find a Chi Omega. Please let me explain.

Two years ago, I found a brand new Chi Omega jewelled membership pin at the Philadelphia Airport. It has no name or any identifying marks other than the usual XO symbols. Now, I know about Chi Omega since I am a Kappa Alpha alumnus myself. I have a few Chi O almae friends as well.

So, here's a conundrum for me and maybe a Chi O in here can help me. I would like to find who this person was and if not, find a Chi O that would want it. But there is a catch and more on that later too!

If you're a XO, please feel free to sound off. Thanks!

ree-Xi 03-20-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ARS (Post 2209169)
ARS is my initials and it happens to be the Latin word for "art, skill" so I will go by that name for now. It's actually apropos but more on that later. What I am here for is to find a Chi Omega. Please let me explain.

Two years ago, I found a brand new Chi Omega jewelled membership pin at the Philadelphia Airport. It has no name or any identifying marks other than the usual XO symbols. Now, I know about Chi Omega since I am a Kappa Alpha alumnus myself. I have a few Chi O almae friends as well.

So, here's a conundrum for me and maybe a Chi O in here can help me. I would like to find who this person was and if not, find a Chi O that would want it. But there is a catch and more on that later too!

If you're a XO, please feel free to sound off. Thanks!

Why don't you talk to your Chi Omega friends, or contact their Headquarters?

NutBrnHair 03-20-2013 11:15 PM

There is no info engraved on the back of the badge?

kateee 03-20-2013 11:22 PM

Contact our national headquarters. There should be the woman's initials, initiating chapter, and initiation date engraved on the back of the badge. This would also help in locating her.

ARS 03-20-2013 11:42 PM

Thank you for the reply, Ladies! My name is Allen and I appreciate your responses. Well, that's the conundrum! There are no identifying names or numerals on the back! I will have to double-check. It's in my safe right now. I will check again sometime but as far as I can remember, no marks. A conundrum indeed! ;-)

But! I have an idea on what to do with it if I don't end up finding the owner. As a KA, I know how valuable and meaningful that jewel is so I can't simply give it away or sell it to someone or somewhere. Does that make sense at all?

kateee 03-20-2013 11:46 PM

No, please do not sell it anywhere. Our national headquarters collects old badges. If you can see the chapter on the back, you could also try returning it to that chapter. Since it was found two years ago, that member may still be around, or the sisters may know who it was.

ARS 03-20-2013 11:50 PM

I agree with you, Ms. Katee. I also have another creative idea that I can do with it. It's a bit personal so if you are curious, you may DM if you would like. But please be assured that it's as classy as any lady of Chi-O can be. I am a KA gentleman, after all. :-)

ARS 03-20-2013 11:52 PM

Oh, the badge is not that old. It looks very new (and shiny even!) as far as I can recall.

thetalady 03-20-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ARS (Post 2209184)
I agree with you, Ms. Katee. I also have another creative idea that I can do with it. It's a bit personal so if you are curious, you may DM if you would like. But please be assured that it's as classy as any lady of Chi-O can be. I am a KA gentleman, after all. :-)

Allen, you are starting to sound really, really creepy :eek: I will take your word for it that you are a KA. As a Greek, you should know that the badge could very easily and simply be returned to the Chi O headquarters with a note of explanation. They could track down the owner or make sure that it ends up with another Chi O member. None of this "I have a secret" crap is needed.

AZTheta 03-21-2013 12:03 AM

pardon the crash, Chi Omega Panhellenic sisters. Allen, contact Chi Omega HQ. That is really the right thing to do, and surely a KA gentleman wants to do the right thing. The badge rightfully should be returned to Chi Omega HQ. There is a chance that the badge's owner contacted HQ to report its loss.

Am a little surprised that you didn't turn it in to the Philadelphia Airport lost and found or police or airlines or something of the sort.

ETA: thetalady - jinx, buy me a coke!

adpiucf 03-21-2013 12:04 AM

The badge belongs to the organization. Simply mail it to the Chi Omega Headquarters if you do not know the member who lost it.

thetalady 03-21-2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 2209189)
ETA: thetalady - jinx, buy me a coke!

On the way... maybe with a side of bourbon? ;)

ree-Xi 03-21-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ARS (Post 2209169)
ut there is a catch and more on that later too!


Quote:

Originally Posted by ARS (Post 2209184)
I also have another creative idea that I can do with it. It's a bit personal so if you are curious, you may DM if you would like. But please be assured that it's as classy as any lady of Chi-O can be. I am a KA gentleman, after all. :-)

I'd ask PTITY, but we know better.

33girl 03-21-2013 01:22 AM

PT?

sigmadiva 03-21-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2209195)
PT?

Prue Tacos.

ree-Xi, I was actually thinking the same thing.

FSUZeta 03-21-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2209218)
Prue Tacos.

ree-Xi, I was actually thinking the same thing.

ditto!

AZTheta 03-21-2013 09:06 AM

you guys gave me nightmares. I would have been okay with creepy or smarmy or obsequious or something along those lines, but no... ree had to raise the spectre... and nightmares ensued. Yikes.

AlphaFrog 03-21-2013 09:14 AM

Someone's been watching too many spy movies.

LouisaMay 03-21-2013 09:28 AM

I'm just curious...
Do most NPC badges have engraving on the back? Mine does not.

AlphaFrog 03-21-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LouisaMay (Post 2209225)
I'm just curious...
Do most NPC badges have engraving on the back? Mine does not.

I think Balfour used to engrave all badges with initials & years (I have a vintage badge that has them). Herff-Jones doesn't - at least not for ASA (possibly you could special request it???).

amIblue? 03-21-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2209226)
I think Balfour used to engrave all badges with initials & years (I have a vintage badge that has them). Herff-Jones doesn't - at least not for ASA (possibly you could special request it???).

On the badge engraving issue, Herff Jones does engrave Kappa badges, FWIW.

MysticCat 03-21-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2209226)
I think Balfour used to engrave all badges with initials & years (I have a vintage badge that has them). Herff-Jones doesn't - at least not for ASA (possibly you could special request it???).

I think it varies with what particular GLOs want. Various sororities and fraternities use initials, chapter, initiation date, membership numbers ("badge numbers") or some combination. Based on old badges I've seen, ours used to have initials and chapter, I think, but by the time I was initiated they just had a serial number.

AOII Angel 03-21-2013 10:30 AM

It may change the cost or the time to ship. AOII still has engraving through HJ. We have initials, chapter and initiation date on the back of every badge that goes out. I agree with MC. It is likely up to the powers that be with each group.

lake 03-21-2013 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LouisaMay (Post 2209225)
I'm just curious...
Do most NPC badges have engraving on the back? Mine does not.

Mine does - it has my initials, chapter letters and member number. However, I found one online (which I bought) that doesn't appear very old which did not have any engraving at all. I thought that was strange.

ree-Xi 03-21-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2209223)
Someone's been watching too many spy movies.

Who, moi? Nope, just being observant.

And HJ engraves for AXiD, too.

adpiucf 03-21-2013 11:20 AM

This is turning into a great thread for the proposed history forum! Maybe there should also be a Lost and Found?

ARS 03-21-2013 12:46 PM

Oh gosh! I was amused by the “creep” factor and I didn’t realize that I would come across as that. I am so embarrassed (yikes!) and for that I apologize for any offense or “creepiness” taken. I had no idea that I would be misconstrued. I appreciate all the feedback/input and that’s the only reason why I was on here, in the first place. In any case, I will take all suggestions under advisement. Thank you so much and y’all have a good day! Cheers! :-)

Sciencewoman 03-21-2013 12:49 PM

I believe there was one "suggestion"...please send it to Chi Omega headquarters. Chi Omega owns the badge. If someone found my badge, that's what I would expect from a fellow Greek. I would not be happy if I was mourning the loss of my badge, and the finder was sitting around for a couple years trying to think of what to do with it.

AlphaFrog 03-21-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 2209241)
Who, moi? Nope, just being observant.

And HJ engraves for AXiD, too.

No, I meant the OP. Too much double-talk.

Kevin 03-21-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sciencewoman (Post 2209253)
I believe there was one "suggestion"...please send it to Chi Omega headquarters. Chi Omega owns the badge. If someone found my badge, that's what I would expect from a fellow Greek. I would not be happy if I was mourning the loss of my badge, and the finder was sitting around for a couple years trying to think of what to do with it.

I've read that before (the bolded), but I'm wondering what that's based on. Say you kick a member out and she refuses to return her paraphernalia, her badge, etc. Does Chi Omega file a small claims suit for replevin? Is there a contract stating that the fee you paid for the badge was a lease for life of membership type of an affair?

It seems like a silly question, but considering there are entire websites dedicated to the resale of fraternity jewelry to folks who may or may not be members, I just doubt the validity of the bolded statement.

That said, it is probably still good form to just mail the badge back to Chi Omega's HQ with a cover letter explaining where you found it.

--as an aside, are you positive it isn't a pledge pin? I wouldn't think the initials would be on the back of one of those.

DeltaBetaBaby 03-21-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2209281)
Is there a contract stating that the fee you paid for the badge was a lease for life of membership type of an affair?

I'm not a Chi Omega, but yes, I'm almost positive I signed something like this in my initiation paperwork.

MysticCat 03-21-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2209281)
I've read that before (the bolded), but I'm wondering what that's based on. Say you kick a member out and she refuses to return her paraphernalia, her badge, etc. Does Chi Omega file a small claims suit for replevin? Is there a contract stating that the fee you paid for the badge was a lease for life of membership type of an affair?

It seems like a silly question, but considering there are entire websites dedicated to the resale of fraternity jewelry to folks who may or may not be members, I just doubt the validity of the bolded statement.

I know it goes counter to what many GLOs say, but I have said before that I question the legal enforceability of policies saying the GLOs retain ownership rights in badges and members have lifetime leases -- most of which policies are, so far as I know, relatively recent. Policies like these are certainly meaningless legally with regard to badges purchased prior to a GLO's implementation of such a policy.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the polices may not be binding on members ethically. But as far as legal rights go, I have my doubts.

Quote:

That said, it is probably still good form to just mail the badge back to Chi Omega's HQ with a cover letter explaining where you found it.
Absolutely.

Kevin 03-21-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2209286)
I know it goes counter to what many GLOs say, but I have said before that I question the legal enforceability of policies saying the GLOs retain ownership rights in badges and members have lifetime leases -- most of which policies are, so far as I know, relatively recent. Policies like these are certainly meaningless legally with regard to badges purchased prior to a GLO's implementation of such a policy.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that the polices may not be binding on members ethically. But as far as legal rights go, I have my doubts.

--the whole doctrine of "first sale" and all. And with the lack of engraved initials on the back, there'd be almost no way to conduct a reasonable search for the true owner, so the OP could always sell the thing on Ebay or trash it or whatever.

A finder of abandoned or lost property has title over everyone but the true owner.

Different GLOs seem to take different types of steps to prevent badges from being made for non-members. I've noticed HJGreek has some organizations which won't let you place direct orders with HJGreek, so I assume they can ensure the badge was being ordered by a member.

I can tell you that if you want a Sigma Nu badge right now, you can pop over there, pay their absurd price for fancy jewels like "diamondique" and have whatever you want engraved on the back. They won't want fingerprints or DNA or nothin'.

Sciencewoman 03-21-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2209293)
--the whole doctrine of "first sale" and all. And with the lack of engraved initials on the back, there'd be almost no way to conduct a reasonable search for the true owner, so the OP could always sell the thing on Ebay or trash it or whatever.

A finder of abandoned or lost property has title over everyone but the true owner.

Different GLOs seem to take different types of steps to prevent badges from being made for non-members. I've noticed HJGreek has some organizations which won't let you place direct orders with HJGreek, so I assume they can ensure the badge was being ordered by a member.

I can tell you that if you want a Sigma Nu badge right now, you can pop over there, pay their absurd price for fancy jewels like "diamondique" and have whatever you want engraved on the back. They won't want fingerprints or DNA or nothin'.

Our new members are informed that the badge belongs to Gamma Phi. They're supposed to turn over everything with letters if they are terminated or resign. How enforceable this is, is another issue. New members can only order through the New Member Educator. If I want to order a new badge, I have to call IH and speak to the one person who places the orders.

That said, if the OP came to GC to ask what he should do, then I think he was given good, honorable advice to send it back.

ASTalumna06 03-21-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisaMay (Post 2209225)
I'm just curious...
Do most NPC badges have engraving on the back? Mine does not.

Mine doesn't. My chapter always just did a mass ordering of badges, then they were given to the new members at initiation.

ree-Xi 03-21-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2209281)
I've read that before (the bolded), but I'm wondering what that's based on. Say you kick a member out and she refuses to return her paraphernalia, her badge, etc. Does Chi Omega file a small claims suit for replevin? Is there a contract stating that the fee you paid for the badge was a lease for life of membership type of an affair?

It seems like a silly question, but considering there are entire websites dedicated to the resale of fraternity jewelry to folks who may or may not be members, I just doubt the validity of the bolded statement.

That said, it is probably still good form to just mail the badge back to Chi Omega's HQ with a cover letter explaining where you found it.

Our badges are essentially "leased" to us as well.

We sign an agreement stating two things:

- Upon suspension or resignation, we must surrender our Quill (our membership badge) o the chapter EBoard or FHQ
- At death, the member can be buried wearing the badge, bequeath it to another initiated member in good standing, or have it sent back to FHQ. We're encouraged to state our preference in our will.

kateee 03-21-2013 10:13 PM

We aren't supposed to be buried in our badges. They are supposed to be returned to HQ upon our death, along with a paper with our name and date of death so we can be listed as deceased in the database. He needs to mail this into our HQ immediately.

adpiucf 03-21-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kateee (Post 2209352)
He needs to mail this into our HQ immediately.

Based on his posts, I sincerely doubt that is going to happen...


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