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Stepping in a step show as exhibition
If you conducted a step show, would you invite another organization to step as exhibition if they were not a National Pan-Hellinic Council organization?
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I was going to go to your website but i got a...
Forbidden by rating check You are not permitted to access the URL http://welcome.to/iotabetachi due to the policy of your organization. If this is an error, then you should contact your local firewall administrator. oooooooooo! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif I know it's my firewall A step show is a stage act consisting of a synchronized foot stomping, hand, chest and thigh clapping drills with mixed in choreographic dance. Some acts have mixed in other things as well. Like human pyramids, cane used to help syncopate rhythms, and skits to help annunciate a theme. JayBEE! |
I am in NY and I have seen MANY youth groups stepping...steps they obviously got from NPHC orgs for the most part...I recognize the steps. Unless the show is being sponsored by NPHC does it really matter? Anyone and their grandmother steps nowadays anyways.The NPHC orgs know the rules about stepping in such events. The NPHC does not own the right to step. Invite who you want to step if its exhibition its exhibition. My personal take is...if you are going to exploit the NPHC orgs by getting your tickets sold, at least make sure some of the money goes to a local charity in the name of the NPHC. JMHO.
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I know that recently the ZTA chapter at Georgia Southern won the Phi Beta Sigma Step Show. I've seen that chapter step and they are awesome - I'm sure the competition was fierce!
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PenguinTrax, I think that the same chapter of ZTA stepped at a step show at Georgia State about a year ago. I heard they were tight!! And, they won the show!
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How about if a step show is sponsored by a major company like State Farm and the event is a huge event like the Bayou Classic and the Battle of the Bands. Shouldn't a Group not assoiciated with the NPHC, be allowed to step and win some of the cash prizes, if they went to the Representing Schools?
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if i were to conduct a stepshow and had authority to decide who participated, i would not invite non-nphc organizations to step.
reasoning-- 1. if all 9 organizations performed (and shows are ususally 10-15 minutes long) we're already dealing with a 2.5 hour long show (not including intermissions, MC time, and any other acts) 2. if there are any other acts used as fillers or during break time, they should not be more step step teams (how redundant!) i'd rather have something different than what's featured, like dancers, or music artists... 3. i know folks arent going to like this, but i think that NPHC sponsored greek show should be just that! an NPHC greekshow. (sidenote - i dont have a problem with other organizations stepping [ie youth groups, high school clubs, other greek orgs], just not for NPHC stepshows. |
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The only problem I have with non-NPHC groups stepping is that they so often are not aware of the history behind the act. Very often in America aspects of African-American culture are shared with other cultures as a bridge of communication, yet as time goes on the receiving cultures fails to give credit where credit is due. We are then faced with a situation where ten years down the road the receiving (majority) culture is claiming the act as their own with no thought to its African/African-American origins. If non-NPHC groups steps, they need to learn the history and properly respect and acknowledge stepping's origins.
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2. What if there were no other acts that would come a step show at that time. 3. But what if the their are other groups on campus just as popular as the NPHC groups on campus. Wouldn't the avoidance of the invitation just create more division of the groups on campus. I was proud of the fact that the Alphas invited Gamma Sigma Sigma to step as exhibution? They were excited and GSS has been on that campus since 1982. I could see if the show was sponsored by the council, not to have any groups that was not associated with the NPHC. But I'm thinking more along the lines of individual organizations doing their show during their week. |
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Gotcha...Its not a problem to me. Give some of the proceeds to charity if any of the NPHC is involved...meaning, we know people go to stepshows expecting to see NPHC groups step...in consideration of this "exploitation" in its literal sense, I feel IMHO that some of the proceeds should go to the local NPHC philanthropy.
If you are asking should non-NPHC groups be permitted to compete againt NPHC organizations for money? Based on the responses I see it is happening quite successfully already. Do I think this should be happening? I have mixed feelings. I mean when I saw the Backstreet Boys stepping in their video, I was like... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif I felt like whoa...robbed, everything and anything that looks cool can be emulated...thinking...b4 you know it folks will have "step dancing" classes that end with some sort of sorority/fraternity sounding call and I will be utterly disgusted. Quote:
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Wow! Your too far to the left.
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This is not true at all. I been in my organization for a long time (20years) and I've seen people come out expecting just what was advertised. I think it's a bit arrogant to say that stepping is only synonomous with NPHC groups. I know on HBCU, people know that even group like the Persian Rifles will even give a show any time any place. I think that sometime we think that what is happening on our respective campuses is happening likewise all over the country. And that's just isn't true. Quote:
Think of this senario. I know that stepping did not exist in 1951. This comes from a brother that is still alive today, and it represents as far back of a recollection that anybody that I know has. What if the Persian Rifles began to step in 1958 as part of their drill routine and the NPHC groups began to follow them in lets say 1960. No, I have not read anywhere where this is true and i have not read anywhere where anything else says different. So if you say what we do is a simple exploitation, then you gonna have to prove it so I will not take this personally. Quote:
I could see your point if we were hollaring "Zulu!!!" and then they were trying to do the same. But we're professing black/greek heritage but frowning on greek/black heritage. As a black man, I consider it flattering that they think enough of it to try to perform the act. Because when it comes right down to it, everybody knows what culture it came from. I really can't see it being taking from our culture. It's not and shouldn't be that sacred a black object. What do you think? |
I'm staying out of this one! Did you get to go to the site?
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1. What if you had only 3-4 other groups instead of 9 2. What if there were no other acts that would come a step show at that time. 3. But what if the their are other groups on campus just as popular as the NPHC groups on campus. Wouldn't the avoidance of the invitation just create more division of the groups on campus. to answer 1 and 2, I'd still feel the same way. I've seen very sucessful shows where all 9 orgs were not represented. And although there is always the slight chance that outside talent is unavailable, its very rare (at least in my neck of the woods - everyone in LA/hollywood has some kinda gig they are willing to showcase!) to answer #3, i think i need more clarity when you say "non-nphc organizations"... are you more interested in how i'd feel about ALL non-nphc orgs, or just the predominately black ones. cause the G Phi B's (predominately white) and the Rho Delta Chi's (predominately asian) were the most popular sorority on my campus as far as numbers, but i dont think not inviting them to step would cause any more division than there already was cause it was never "expected" that they would participate in our greek shows (btw-the rho delta chi's on my yard do have steps...) if your talking about BGLO's, then i honestly cant speak on it cause I'm not in an environment where there are BGLO's that are not NPHCers. Like I said I'm from southern cali, and we dont have these organizations out this way! If we did my opinion on the matter might be a little different. |
Ah, I see where this is going...I won't slip in that crack. But I will say this...I have love for all and I am not going to get into defending who has the right to claim what.
I stand by my previous statements as they relate to the circumstance of NPHC organizations being used to make money in step shows. I can not and will not speak on any other groups ,including yours, in terms of how I feel the some of money in the end...(not the prize money) should be donated to a philanthropy. As far as the WHY Greek Letter organizations as NPHC members prescribe...I invite you to view the Temple of Blue http://3n1promo.com/temple/p7.html Enjoy! Quote:
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I would invite any group to particiapte. I think it would help relations. I know we have step shows at ECU and no NPC or IFC actually steps, probably too embarassed to even try but we pay for tickets and enjoy watching!
This year in AZD's allsing my Kappa Delta chapter and Phi Beta Sigma worked together and they showed us how to "step". I thought it was a great idea, but that's at my school, we placed 3rd. They showed us how talented they are and we showed that we could do something productive together. As for non NPHC groups not understanding the origin of the step show, why not have a small intro of what it is and why it is so important, it would be interesting and you could actally educate some groups/members, like me. I think it would be an honor for the NPHC Pres to do it, it would be a fun event and help with programming. BUT that's from a college point of view, I have never seen these sponsored shows, with tons of peolpe watching or participating! [This message has been edited by ecukd (edited May 04, 2001).] |
Hey there,
I was a Senior Letter Girl in HS, which is a girl who is like a "cheerleader," but instead, she steps along with five other girls. It was so fun! And we made our own steps up, too... The school/teams loved us!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
May I ask, what is a step show?
------------------ Sarah Sister Lots-a-Heart, #9 President, Iota Beta Chi Sorority http://welcome.to/iotabetachi |
I think that non-HBGLOs sould not *step* in the sense that NPHC groups do (ie cheerleaders, Perishing Rifles, etc). Imitation is not the sincerest form of flattery. However, it is a mockery when Blacks join non-HBGLOs but still want to 'show' like HBGLOs. My feeling is that you chose not to associate with a HBGLO so you have no priveledge (sp?) to the traditions we hold dear (ie stepping, calls, handsigns, etc).
However, I do not have a problem with non-NPHC HBGLOs stepping for exhibition in a NPHC-sponsored show. As long as they are identified as non-affiliated then I do not see a problem. After all, to me 'stepping' is a HBGLO tradition, not just NPHC. Quote:
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Soror, THATS the thread I was thinking of when I addressed this issue. I did not comment too much in that thread because I have not had much experience with APhiO or GSS.
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MCCOYRED Mu Psi '86 BaltCo Alumnae Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913 [This message has been edited by mccoyred (edited May 02, 2001).] |
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I'm part of a latin based fraternity and had the pleasure of watching a step show in Iowa. It was great because they had a variety of different fraternities and Soroities. *The Zeta's were off the hook!*
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Ansolutely no coincidence mccoyred.
Seems to me like jaybee just wanted an excuse to get back into that issue. Soe people are never going to agree with his org (not even the whole org, but just a couple of chapters, no less!!) calling and hand signs, and that is just reality. stepping is different in that it is not something historically done ONLY by black Greek NPHC orgs, anyone can do it. |
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Nobody will agree with my organization/ Mockery Dang!
Let me say this, It only the people that are not use to our organizations that has a problem with us stepping. We have been stepping for several years. To agree with it or not isn't even a point. Just because your organizations are on several campuses it really doesn't mean that the National Pan own the act. I still haven't heard history on the subject, history that says NPHC Organizations began stepping and every one else followed. I went to the site earlier suggested. It was quite interesting. It told how the Greek letters originated from Nubian phonetics, and Egyptian hieroglyphs. But it talks as if blacks (own/basically created) The Greek lettering system. This is the exactly the same kind of rhetoric going own here. We are using Greek Letters from a Greek society that used some of the culture of Egyptians to help there advance their own society. However, we are not using any Egyptian hieroglyphs are we? No, the culture of Greek is definitely a white society, no matter how black we say it is. Our organizations are based on a British enhanced American Fraternal Heritage. We are using the American Fraternal System to help advance our own society. You have to agree with that. That's simple fact. But now go to the blacks in white founded organizations. I know that they are doing the exact same thing. The same thing the Greeks did with an Egyptians society. We are going in a white founded culture and using the values we found in it to help advance our own society. It is not people who developed these values that we follow; it is the inspirations of the values itself. What is racist, is to think that white people can be inspire a white founded organization to develop values and to think those values will not work in a black society. And so is the reverse. [Quota] We are then faced with a situation where ten years down the road the receiving (majority) culture is claiming the act as their own with no thought to its African/African-American origins. If non-NPHC groups steps, they need to learn the history and properly respect and acknowledge stepping's origins [/Quota] Thanks for showing me that web site. It supports my views more than I imagined. It stated "If you check the history of any Black Greek Lettered Organization you will find that their purpose was based on some particular need on the campus or in the local Black community." When I joined a White Founded organization, I saw the organization as being useful. Their purpose was based on some particular need on any campus or in any local community, including black communities and campuses. Also on that web site They mentioned that Stepping evolved with groups of guys singing acappella, and when groups like the Temptations and the Four Tops were popular in the 50's and 60's brothers started mimicking their steps. Considering that we existed around the same time, on a campus would be possibly be involve in mimicking steps as well in 1947 Johnson C. Smith, I don't a case can be made as to stepping being own by National Pan-Hellenic Council. And since that history mentioned only Black Fraternities, it means every black sorority is guilty of what you are accusing other groups of black people of doing. [Quota] Seems to me like JayBEE! just wanted an excuse to get back into that issue. [/Quota] I think you should ask JayBEE! That question. This is an issue with stepping. Because I'm over the animosity that some individuals (Not whole organization) have with Non-Historically Black Greek Lettered Organizations. As are other individuals of NPHC who have step in an Alpha Phi Omega step show recently, and NPHC organization who have invited Gamma Sigma Sigma to step in a their show recently. All happened this semester just as they did 10 or more years ago. Let us go back to visit the original question. If you conducted a step show, would you invite another organization to step as exhibition if they were not a National Pan-Hellenic Council organization? I didn't say compete, I didn't say that they were inviting National Pan-Hellenic Council organizations to step in their step show. Some people did answer that question. I'm basically trying to find out if your reason for not inviting is either justified, nose in the air snobbishness, we-can-only-do-it selfishness or even racist. Because I went to a Historically Black University, in the Deep Deep South, and the entire campus stepped, not just the organizations of the NPHC organizations. What is strange is that it seems that organizations on non-Historically black campuses have more of a problem with it than those that are from Historically black campuses. [Quota] As long as they are identified as non-affiliated [/Quota] What does this mean? I can't see us identifying ourselves as anything but who we are. The one thing I will not do is say that I am a non-you/non-xxxx. We don't have to say that. If people ask, of course we tell them that we are not governed or apart of the National Pan-Hellenic Council. The thing to remember is that we are of the same. People that step, white, Latino, Asian. or whatever knows where that black is where it originated. I'm not mad at Elvis for liking what we love and taking a style and enhancing himself with the sounds he loved to do. I'm not mad at white men for dating beautiful black women, for falling in love with what is so easy to fall in love with. I'm not mad at the BackStreet Boys for Bringing limelight to an activity that will lead others to find it in the heritage of black society. I'm not mad at the Greeks for using some of the culture of Egyptians to help their advance their own society. We came a long way from times of hatred. And amiss that hatred was white people walking right beside us in protest. Let me say it like this…. before Martin Luther King graduated from college in 1958; before nine Little Rock, Ark., schoolchildren were escorted to Central High School by federal troops, ending efforts to thwart court-ordered integration in 1957; and Before Rosa Parks refused to give her bus seat to a white man in Montgomery, Alabama in 1955, Alpha Phi Omega allowed a black campus to have a chapter of a white founded organization in 1947. Why? Because our society could use an organization just like this one. Peace! |
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Just a word of caution, anyone can have a step show but it won't be a "Greek Show" or a "Yard Show". There won't be any NPHC greeks stepping in a show if you override our influences on ALL movements called steps! What you don't want to do is alienate the HBGLO's from stepping. It would be a big mistake, bad for business, and not a good tactic... Quote:
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Stepping started because kidnapped and enslaved Afrikans were not allowed to speak to each other. They were not allowed to play makeshift drums to communicate with each other. So all the ancestors had left was to "step". The slave master thought it was a funny little "jig" that his slaves would do, laughed at it, then got mad when it wouldn't stop. Hence, that is were the repulsion comes from when some folks see "stepping" for the first time--and that is why some NPHC affiliate members do not like the idea of non-BGLO's or any GLO participating in a large public "Step Correct" step show... Granted the steps have become more innovative as time has gone by, but dancing in Afrikan has spiritual meaning. It is a time to heal and solve problems in relationships. Mimicry does not justify the true Afrikan Centered spirit when done by those who want to look cute. Stepping is a religious event for the NPHC affiliates. And if a non-NPHC BGLO, 20 years or older wishes to be a part of that tradition, then they ought to pay for it! And don't go there with "get over it", slavery is gone from amerikkklan, 'cuz I need to get reparated to see any changes... Personally, I don't care if you all have a step show and get a whole bunch of advertisers and sponsors. I think you all will look rather bizarre with no NPHC affiliates in it. But oh well, guess I'm SOL... And really, all I am worried about is rolling blackouts and trying to pay my light bill http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif [This message has been edited by AKA_Monet (edited May 03, 2001).] |
Hmmm ...
I have been debating with myself on whether or not I wanted to get in on this but well, what the heck, everyone ELSE has, so here's my 19.63 on the topic. This is actually two topics: 1) Should non-NPHC groups be allowed to perform in stepshows? 2) Should we allow ourselves to be "pimped" by promoters of stepshows? I'll start with the second one, first: I am absolutely, unequivocally AGAINST stepshows and promoters who sponsor these shows, pocket tens of thousands of dollars, and then walk away with the money. I have seen quite a few of these shows over the years (some sponsored by people who are members of NPHC organizations ... ofttimes NON-FINANCIAL members, I might add) and it makes me sick! These people promote these shows and make more money than you can imagine -- $25K, sometimes as much as $50K. They give a measly one or two thousand dollars in prize money and then call it a day. In the meantime, the causes and philanthropies that our organizations support go unsupported and unrecognized. That's pimping and we need to put a stop to it. The easiest way is for teams to ask UP FRONT where the money is going. If the organizations aren't happy with the distribution of proceeds, then we need to not participate. Period. Now, regarding the first issue, "Should non-NPHC groups be allowed to perform in stepshows,my answer is, "It depends." I personally reject all this espousal of stepping as a "spiritual experience." The research I have seen indicates that stepping in BGLO's started as a form of ENTERTAINMENT and PR. It started in the 50's/60's with singing (or "serenading" as it was sometimes called) and progressed from there. Over time, it has evolved into the elaborate productions we have come to know and expect. All this discussion of stepping having originated with "The African Boot Dance" is something I don't buy. I definitely realize that there are common origins in that people of African Descent all over the world have ALWAYS expressed ourselves in dance, song, and movement. Further, after the stepping (as we know it) became more popular and widespread, certain organizations (Phi Beta Sigma comes immediately to mind) made a special effort to learn of the way it was done in Africa and then incorporate those styles and rhythms into the American Collegiate idiom. The same thing occurred with the "Step Afrika" project that Alpha Phi Alpha (and I think Delta Sigma Theta) have been involved in. I think that is a wonderful and self-affirming thing for us as African-Americans to connect with our African roots. That has power and we should continue to do so. What we should NOT do however, is pretend that stepping is something it isn't. We also should be honest about why we don't want Non-NPHC groups to step in our shows. I was a member of Iota Phi Theta (an obviously BLACK Fraternal Organization) for 16 years before we were admitted into the NPHC and you better believe that in more cases than not, we were NOT ALLOWED to perform in these shows. The reason was always "Well, you aren't in the NPHC, so you can't perform. Period. From the Philly Greek Picnic stepshow to the Freaknic step show, the response was always the same: "You aren't in the NPHC so you don't get to play in the reindeer games." Since we have been in the NPHC, folks don't have a rationale to exclude us anymore so now we "get to play with the big boys," as it were. Don't think for a minute that we don't realize that a lot of folks still don't want us there but that's a moot point. I have a real problem with members of NPHC groups who place themselves on a pedestal of "Greek Superiority" when it comes to certain issues. We get mad when KKPsi and APO step. We get mad with the Latino organizations have hand-signs and calls. We get mad at everybody but ourselves -- and we need to be mad. Mad about the rampant injuries from hazing. Mad about the lack of community service that some of us don't do. Mad that Black Greekdom no longer has the panache that it once did. That panache came from conducting ourselves and ladies and gentlemen who were "a cut above" and "beyond reproach." These days we get involved with all kinds of behaviors that would have our founders rolling in their graves. We can restore this panache and prestige if we work on handling our business but being the arbiters of "who gets to step where and how" won't do anything but divide us. ------------------ IotaNet Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. Alpha Eta Chapter, Spring, 1980 Kappa Kappa Psi Honorary Band Fraternity Zeta Nu Chapter, Spring, 1979 |
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I see this statement needs some help. I don't look at my organization as just white founded, even though it is. To look at it that way first, is to not look at a car because some white man is selling it. Or to not eat at Kentucky Fried Chicken because some white man owns it. I look at the values of my organization, because it is a colorblind organization. It's values hit's every race. Any other view is racist. Quote:
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In my book he does. But he would be more attune to what a true African Centered spirit is. The issue is not what is a true spirit or not. It is your coveting of a act that you are saying other blacks and whites do not have the right to do. Mimicry justified another organizations didn't it? Our organization is not just trying to look cute, that was really basic of you. Quote:
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I'm so over somebody attempting to correct my organizations long standing stepping history. You can pinch yourself and squash that dream in a instance. I've entertained discussion on that lower level countless times. Time to move on. My issue of discussion is far past that. Some of you have answered my question, others are still on cloud "we own that". Historically several NPHC groups have invited us in competition. And I knew some of you did not know that. So that's why I came with exhibition. Whether or not you believe a step show has to have NPHC group represented is very irrelevant. Not a this issue of this thread. Dang! [This message has been edited by JayBEE! (edited May 04, 2001).] |
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The most amazing thing is your last statement. How we let certain issues divide us. And there are so many other things that are dividing us today. How can we survive when the element that is manifesting this division is ourselves. And we have larger issues. It's okay if the Step Show is a NPHC-Only, Because at times they may need that, I can respect that. But there are times when a show can be put together with other GLOs on the campus. One event that I've noticed is the Bayou Classic. They've attached a step show right before the battle of the bands of two HBCU schools. Grambling State University and Southern University. With prize money being donated from State Farm. I know good and well that there are other organizations on those campuses that step. What is wrong with allowing those groups to step in an event that is suppose to be representing both schools. Here the function is not even being contolled not by the NPHC, but by supporters of the NPHC. But it is great to know that there are non-hating sensible members in the NPHC. That gives the community something to look forward to. It does much for your organization as well. Because it shows others that your organization produces well rounded individuals. Thanks for your post, IotaNet! JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega |
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And stepping traditions? Based on whose values systems? Where did you fathom your moves? Oh, you probably stole them from the Fraternities... I don't care if you were invited. The organizers probably were forced to invite you, gave you a consolation prize called 3rd place, or they felt sorry for your little group. Hate to break it down to you that way, but I have decided to stoop to your level of understanding... You would really want to improve your reading comprehension skills because you have slandered my statements. You ignomy shows the lack of critical thinking skills required to hold an intelligent debate. In fact, you never wanted to debate this issue. All you want to do is step in big shows or have one, whatever. An Exhibition Step Show? Huh? WTF!!! You wannabe an exhibitionist and want HBGLO's to participate? And you wonder why some of us are pissed off about it??? If you are so crunchy old, why do you want to step so much with us? Hmmmmm, can your step with us without your walker? Why do you care? Isn't stepping just a college thing anyways? Yeah, some graduate CHAPTERS step--not GRADUATE MEMBERS!!! (Just want to make sure you can focus through those trifocals you are wearing). But they are not in big shows like "Step Correct" or "Long Beach". Yes, step shows are big business. It is unfortunate that "we" still have to "tap dance" to make money. And really $25K-$50K is not a lot of money compared to all these "Walk for whatevers" and "5/10K runs" clearing $500K or more in 1-2 mornings... But you had better believe, the minute some HBGLO tries setting up a "Sickle Cell Walk", we would come into all kind of city permitting issues... Some events have already been affected. The Kappa Beach Party in Texas... The Biloxi Beach Party. Just go to http://www.BlackBeachWeek.com to find out why Freaknic was annhilated... Too many double and triple standards going on with the main perpetrators of hate or their bought and paid for negroes who bitch and moan about why some of us don't like gentrification. Can you say "SELL-OUT". And tell me, do you rollerblade in GC often??? [This message has been edited by AKA_Monet (edited May 04, 2001).] |
AKA_Monet, where are you from? You're making me feel bad!!! Half my team at LB Stepshow last year was grad (including myself!)
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For example, at my school, Texas A&M University, NPHC hosts an event called Stompfest in which NPHC org. on campus is paired with a PHC Sorority and we teach them to step. Then the PHC Sororities compete at Stompfest. However, at the onset of the show, which draws thousands, an NPHC member speaks on the history of stepping and where it truly originated. No one will ever say that stepping started with PHC Sororities. This to me is proper respect. This is important to me becaue jazz, gospel music, and yes, even rock and roll, claim roots in African American heritage, but due to mainstreaming, without a history lesson most wouldn't know that now! |
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I know the "new 'old' school" members step. But, would you expect a GRADUATE CHAPTER to compete and win at the Long Beach Step Show? I wouldn't. And if my Grad Chapter applied, I would laugh!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif. Then I'd be pissed 'cuz I would know my "little" undergrads (my babies) may have not had the monies (application fee, costuming and props) to participate in the show... That ain't right not heppin' the undergrads... As far as coming back--especially Spring, 1996-2000 stepping in their chapters or All Star Teams, I wasn't referring to those cases. And you still can be OUT will your line jacket on, too. But, really, a "Grad" being out like y'all? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif Okay... When you are an old head like me, it's time for you to put away the jackets, massive nalia and shoes and let youth and vitality take up the cause... Major Step Show competition is a young person's thang... That is just one of the numerous fringe benefits when one joins an undergrad chapter... That is just the way it is. I didn't ask for it to be that way, but everybody knows that joining as an undergrad has its benefits, too... I would watch my kids step. But I would NOT be trying to "show out" for competition with them. What would I look like? I would expect my sorors or any fellow NPHC sorority member to put me in the looney bin if I wanted to join an "All Star" team... Stepping at your own conferences is a totally different issue to me, too. Grad Chapters against undergrads is fair game. However, the recognition may not well known... That's all I'm sayin' http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Be OUT wit you bad self!!! You young! Shake yo thang, guirl!!! And don' cha all little boys come OUT and do you thangs, 'cuz y'all will start givin' me hot flashes... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif |
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You all just had to get my Soror started up...Didn't you! LOL Love ya much, Soror! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif |
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Money? From a grad chapter? No, really? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif |
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i totally agree with everything the brother said. ------------------ MaMaBuddha Devastating Stimulating Tantalizing _________________________ Imaginer un métro rempli avec les anges tombés... |
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You wanted an honest answer to your stupid question and I told you how I truly felt!!! [/Quota] And you gave a stupid answer because you were stupid about understanding the question. If I was talking I would slap some ears on you like Mr. Potato Head. You don't get it. [Quota] Everybody knows you are a wannabe Historically, NPHC Black Greek??? [/Quota] I gave you no indication of that. Your just blowing hot air. If I haven't joined a BGLO already, then I probably won't. But that doesn't mean I don't have love for them, and individuals within. Individually I'm a Black Service Greek, and I have much work to do. Your education is a service project of it's own. [Quota] Why does it hurt you so much that GC HBGLO's are telling you to stay outta of our lives? [/Quota] What life? All I see is some AKA coming on to my thread, my subject, and having trouble dealing with me. With all the other threads on here, you still come to me. That's cool. Didn't know my conversation was that much attractive to you. Keep coming. As long as you keep coming, I'll keep attempting to open your eyes. But you have to be a willing participant. We will only go in circles if you don't really want to be helped. [Quota] How can you assert your will on my Sorority? When is the last time you paid my dues? WTF, who the hell are you anyway?!? [/Quota] Dang! WTF did this statement come from? I'm doing nothing to Alpha Kappa Alpha. I didn't say anything negative about Alpha Kappa Alpha. Assert my will? Dang! I know that you are representative of the organization Alpha Kappa Alpha, (so you say). However when I type a sentence it is definitely not going to your whole entire organization. You can attempt to speak for the entire organization, but I seen AKA's speak better on the subject. Yep, there are more positive AKA's than you are! I'm just entertaining the thoughts coming out of your head! [Quota] And stepping traditions? Based on whose values systems? Where did you fathom your moves? Oh, you probably stole them from the Fraternities. [/Quota] There you go again, all up in the Kool-Aid, but don't know the flavor, and exhorting your classless-ness. You need to grow up and stop yelling, "mine mine mine" when you see shiny objects. [Quota] I don't care if you were invited. [/Quota] Really? I think otherwise. You're proving all that right now. [Quota] The organizers probably were forced to invite you, gave you a consolation prize called 3rd place, or they felt sorry for your little group. Hate to break it down to you that way, but I have decided to stoop to your level of understanding. [/Quota] Let me tell you something. We've won countless of Step Shows from invitation, and we've broke it wide open! 1st place earned! If you are only 21, then we won step shows before you took a step! But, I think I'll just let you waddle in your (I have to wait until I see for myself) ignorance. [Quota] You ignomy shows the lack of critical thinking skills required to hold an intelligent debate. In fact, you never wanted to debate this issue. [/Quota] That's ignominy. And it's okay to use "your". [Quota] An Exhibition Step Show? Huh? WTF!!! [/Quota] And you're the one who showing it. Nobody said a…. (What did you say?)…. An Exhibition Step Show. What's that? I said, step in a show as exhibition. Dang! [Quota] The minute some HBGLO tries setting up a "Sickle Cell Walk", we would come into all kind of city permitting issues... Some events have already been affected. [/Quota] That's standard across the board. I'm in Atlanta, I know what the police did to Freaknic. Everybody's effected. But what's that got to do with anything. See your mad, but you don't know how to direct your anger. I think you just establish your own event and then regulate it. Or do a thorough investigation. Or do some breathing exercises. Whatever! Do something to break up all that hostility in you. But the bottom line is. Back to home. You don't care if we step. We are going to continue to step. Some NHPC groups will invite us to step. And some thickheaded AKA (Sincerely not all AKA's are as Thickheaded will not, because there are plenty of them in GSS, and stepping for GSS as well). And we will have our own shows. And sometimes we will invite you and some times we will not. And all invitations will depend on the situation. That's my understanding. Thanks for the positive emails received. ------------------ JayBEE! Ay-Phi-Que! Alpha Alpha Lambda Chapter Alcorn State Unversity Fall, October 18th 1980 President, Brothers of the Rising Sun, Atlanta Alumni Chapter of Alpha Phi Omega JayBEE's State Of Mind The AyPhiQueGammaSig Family Homepage |
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