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TriDeltaSallie 02-18-2013 08:22 PM

Pikes at Michigan display complete lack of class and more
 
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at their national HQs, especially the executive board members and national staff who were military as well.

How stupid can people be? :eek:

And as a Spartan, I'll do my best to refrain from making excessive Michigan comments.

What losers. :(

Half-Naked Fraternity Invitation Features Sexy, Sexy Flag Desecration

WCsweet<3 02-18-2013 08:31 PM

I had seen the picture, but didn't know what chapter. I'm interested in seeing how this ends up playing out.

MysticCat 02-18-2013 08:32 PM

So supremely stupid and embarrassing in so many ways.

And those boys need to study their history -- LSD was first synthesized in Switzerland, and condoms (as we know them) were first made in Italy.

pshsx1 02-18-2013 09:21 PM

Oh my. That email... I'm sure their HQ is thrilled.

greekdee 02-18-2013 09:43 PM

I was especially struck by this line:

"We exercise our 4th amendment right to drink beer through any orifice we want."

Wow, and it comes just few months after the now-no longer Pikes at Tennessee went viral for butt-chugging wine.

Yes, their Nationals must be loving this fine representation of their fraternity. SMH.

MysticCat 02-18-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekdee (Post 2204344)
I was especially struck by this line:

"We exercise our 4th amendment right to drink beer through any orifice we want."

Yikes. Somehow I missed that gem.

I know Pike HQ must be less than pleased, to put it mildly. But if my son pulled something like this, HQ would not be what he'd need to worry about most.

adpiucf 02-18-2013 10:25 PM

Keeping America Beautiful?

DeltaBetaBaby 02-18-2013 11:05 PM

Wait, wait, wait, didn't we just have a thread about how white people wouldn't be outraged if someone threw this type of party? There's nothing to see here, carry on.

adpimiz 02-19-2013 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2204354)
Wait, wait, wait, didn't we just have a thread about how white people wouldn't be outraged if someone threw this type of party? There's nothing to see here, carry on.

Seriously?

adpimiz 02-19-2013 01:24 AM

That email... Jeez. What idiots.

PhiAlpha05 02-19-2013 02:57 PM

Yeah, this has already made the rounds. As far back as I remember (almost 9 years ago...am I that old?) this chapter has not been terribly well-liked around campus. I never personally had a problem with them and enjoyed the couple of times I stopped by, but yeah, this is ridiculous.

angels&angles 02-19-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2204354)
Wait, wait, wait, didn't we just have a thread about how white people wouldn't be outraged if someone threw this type of party? There's nothing to see here, carry on.

Personally, I find it tasteless but not offensive. I think a toned-down version of the email/picture could have been pretty funny.

DeltaBetaBaby 02-19-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angels&angles (Post 2204521)
Personally, I find it tasteless but not offensive. I think a toned-down version of the email/picture could have been pretty funny.

Most of the email is pretty hysterical, I thought...obviously I object to "whores" and things of that nature, but there are parts that are legitimate political satire.

Kevin 02-19-2013 04:28 PM

I'm a little unsure of their intent. If this was some sort of attempt at fratire, it could possibly be well played and high fives could even be in order for getting the general public worked up about nothing..

If this is truly reflective of their internal culture, they ought to be shut down right now.

On a side note, I'm aware that Pike is a flat-fee insurance fraternity. In other words, whether you're a 25 man chapter or a 200 man chapter, every chapter pays the same flat $15,000 or whatever in annual liability insurance regardless of track record or individualized risk or chapter size or anything.

Perhaps the lack of any financial incentive to, for example, maintain alcohol free housing or be able to get rid of members who pose a safety concern isn't really doing these groups any favors?

I'd really be interested to see whether these flat fee groups have a higher claims rate than other groups.

DeltaBetaBaby 02-19-2013 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2204524)
If this is truly reflective of their internal culture, they ought to be shut down right now.

Why? I'm really curious as to what you see here that is a shut down-able offense.

PiKA2001 02-19-2013 04:47 PM

So I get on FB and see a message that Beta Tau chapter was placed on indefinite suspension by IHQ earlier today. I didn't hear about this until, like right now. From reading that email it seems to me that whoever wrote it was striving for "fratire", especially with the butt-chugging references and the over all ridiculousness of it. Personally, I don't find it offensive and this wouldn't have gone anywhere while I was an undergrad but it just drives home the fact that chapters need to remember that social media sees all...

MysticCat 02-19-2013 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2204527)
Personally, I don't find it offensive and this wouldn't have gone anywhere while I was an undergrad but it just drives home the fact that chapters need to remember that social media sees all...

And that when social media sees all, the audience becomes far bigger than the intended audience, so you may have gone well beyond the group that will get an intended joke.

I'm not at all unfamiliar with fratire, but it completely went over my head in this instance if that's what was intended. That well may because I saw the pictures first, and I did find them offensive.* That probably colored how I read the email.



* Others' mileage on whether the pictures in and of themselves are offensive may vary, of course. I'm that guy who every four years wishes the US Olympic Committee would instruct athletes that is not appropriate to drape the flag around their shoulders for a vistory lap.

Kevin 02-19-2013 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2204526)
Why? I'm really curious as to what you see here that is a shut down-able offense.

Hazing, alcohol abuse, possible butt chugging, etc.

Kevin 02-19-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2204527)
I didn't hear about this until, like right now. From reading that email it seems to me that whoever wrote it was striving for "fratire", especially with the butt-chugging references and the over all ridiculousness of it. Personally, I don't find it offensive and this wouldn't have gone anywhere while I was an undergrad but it just drives home the fact that chapters need to remember that social media sees all...

That's kind of where I'm headed. This just hits too many ripped from the headlines notes of idiocy to be real.

My guess is that the chapter will be fine, but will probably be advised to adopt a more stringent social media policy.

As for the use of the American flag, well...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gyd5h_cFl-...in-dot-com.jpg

MysticCat 02-19-2013 05:46 PM

^^^ LOL, not helping the case for me, Kevin.

What can I say -- I'm the Eagle Scout son of a WWII vet/Scoutmaster. This offends me as well:

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/fi...with-flags.jpg

DeltaBetaBaby 02-19-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2204531)
Hazing, alcohol abuse, possible butt chugging, etc.

Got it. I didn't read it as though those things were actually happening, but yes, you are right.

SWTXBelle 02-19-2013 09:16 PM

Don't get me started on violations of the flag code . . . drives me crazy. The Texas flag, alas, is the victim of many crimes against its dignity.

PhiAlpha05 02-19-2013 10:33 PM

Yup, Nationals suspended them: http://www.annarbor.com/news/fratern...leaked-online/

PiKA2001 02-20-2013 02:02 PM

From IHQ-
Quote:

The International Fraternity believes in and respects the right to Freedom of Expression, even if such expression is meant satirically or in jest. While the photos have garnered significant attention and may be offensive to some, the Fraternity’s primary concern lies in the reference to hazing and alcohol abuse – both of which are issues that have negatively affected Pi Kappa Alpha along with many other student organizations.

The suspension of operations is on an interim basis. The Chapter has already issued an apology and once an educational plan of action is proposed, the suspension will be lifted. The Fraternity hopes to take this opportunity to turn this incident into a teaching moment.

shadokat 02-20-2013 03:25 PM

I'm with you...this isn't as horrific as many make it out to be. It's meant to be tongue in cheek and satire. The pictures of the guys in the flags doesn't bother me...because we see shit like this all the time, and nobody cares!

http://jewelryfromthestars.com/blog/...Flag-Dress.jpg

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncsta...n-flag-big.gif

But maybe the education program can include the Flag Code: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2204544)
Got it. I didn't read it as though those things were actually happening, but yes, you are right.


SWTXBelle 02-20-2013 03:31 PM

For me and MC - courtesy of Emily Dickinson
 
I'm Nobody! Who are you?
Are you – Nobody – too?
Then there's a pair of us!
Don't tell! they'd advertise – you know!

How dreary – to be – Somebody!
How public – like a Frog –
To tell one's name – the livelong June –
To an admiring Bog!

ZTA1550 02-20-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2204348)
Yikes. Somehow I missed that gem.

I know Pike HQ must be less than pleased, to put it mildly. But if my son pulled something like this, HQ would not be what he'd need to worry about most.


Amen to that.

MysticCat 02-20-2013 04:17 PM

Thanks, Belle, and well done with the Belle of Amherst!

Yes, we see it all the time. But there are actually lots of people who care.

To be clear, there is a difference between clothing that includes red and white stripes and white stars on blue in such a way as to suggest or recall the American flag:

http://captain-america.us/images/cap.gif

http://i2.squidoocdn.com/resize/squi...59749134a_.jpg

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/asse...x201-20551.jpg

and actually using a flag as clothing or costume or wrapping oneself in a flag. The former isn't prohibited under the Flag Code; the latter is.

Whether it's tasteful can, of course, be whole 'nother matter.


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