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FSUZeta 12-03-2012 12:52 PM
Buckingham Palace shares big news!
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...chess/1742541/

AZTheta 12-03-2012 12:59 PM
Wonderful news! Wishes for a trouble-free pregnancy and a healthy baby.

AlphaFrog 12-03-2012 01:55 PM
It annoys me that they still refer to her as Kate Middleton. She's HRH, The Duchess if Cambridge, Lady Kate...pick one. Did they refer to Diana as "Diana Spencer" for awhile?

thetygerlily 12-03-2012 02:28 PM
I must have missed this succession rule change. Very cool:
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Boy or girl, the baby, will be third in the line to the throne, now that Britain's antique rules of royal succession have been changed to allow a first-born girl to succeed even if she later has younger brothers... Shortly after the wedding, hundreds of years of law and tradition were upended when Britain and the 15 Commonwealth countries that recognize the queen as their head of state agreed to get rid of the succession rules that say boys take precedence over girls no matter what their birth order.
It must be frustrating to be expected to get pregnant so quickly after you get married. I enjoyed being married for 5 years before getting pregnant... of course, both my husband and I have older brothers who have two young children- so the pressure was off. And we aren't royalty. I suppose it's par for the course for them.

MysticCat 12-03-2012 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2191870)
It annoys me that they still refer to her as Kate Middleton. She's HRH, The Duchess if Cambridge, Lady Kate...pick one.
Well, in Scotland she's the Countess of Strathearn. ;)

And no, she's not Lady Kate. Lady is not used for duchesses, especially royal duchesses. She could be called Princess William, but the royal duchy title actually outranks the prince title, so that makes the preferred style "HRH the Duchess of Cambridge" or "Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge."

FWIW, Kate's full title is Her Royal Highness Princess William, Duchess of Cambridge, Countess of Strathearn, Baroness Carrickfergus.

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Did they refer to Diana as "Diana Spencer" for awhile?
No, they called her Princess Diana, which was also incorrect. (Ditto Princess Grace.) With the possible exception of a princess consort (of which Camilla Parker Bowles will be the first), only someone who is a princess by blood is entitled to be called "Princess [Name]."

DeltaBetaBaby 12-03-2012 02:48 PM
Okay, but Diana was Lady Diana BEFORE she was married. Kate Middleton is a commoner!

amIblue? 12-03-2012 02:57 PM
These people have zero impact on my life, but I am still ridiculously happy for them.

MysticCat 12-03-2012 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2191878)
Okay, but Diana was Lady Diana BEFORE she was married. Kate Middleton is a commoner!
Right. (Well, was a commoner. She's a royal duchess now.)

I'd wager that "Kate Middleton" has stuck because the American press has at least learned that "Princess Kate" is incorrect and they think if they call her the Duchess of Cambridge, too many people won't know who they're talking about. Besides, they still tend to call her husband Prince William rather than the Duke of Cornwall.

Psi U MC Vito 12-03-2012 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2191881)
Right. (Well, was a commoner. She's a royal duchess now.)

I'd wager that "Kate Middleton" has stuck because the American press has at least learned that "Princess Kate" is incorrect and they think if they call her the Duchess of Cambridge, too many people won't know who they're talking about. Besides, they still tend to call her husband Prince William rather than the Duke of Cornwall.
Since he is a Duke in his own right, that would outweigh his courtesy title as Prince right? Also, would the Duchess of Cornwall be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort? And isn't Kate technically speaking a commoner since she is a Duchess and Countess only by marriage?

AlphaFrog 12-03-2012 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2191877)
And no, she's not Lady Kate. Lady is not used for duchesses, especially royal duchesses.
Sorry. Brain stuck in Renaissance Festival mode where most of the noble women used "Lady" since most were playing *daughters* of Nobles. I also had a few insist on calling me Lady Sirena, since I played a Duchess-ranked character, which was necessary since they wanted my costumes to be royal blue. The whole fairy thing just added to the grey area there when it came to titles & pecking order. :p

MysticCat 12-03-2012 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2191889)
Since he is a Duke in his own right, that would outweigh his courtesy title as Prince right?
He was created a duke the day they got married, and yes, his title of Duke of Cambridge takes precedence over "Prince." So while he can still be referred to as "Prince William," he is formally HRH The Duke of Cambridge (or in Scotland HRH The Earl of Strathearn), whereas before his wedding day he was HRH Prince William of Wales. But the parallel to Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge is not William, Duke of Cambridge, but rather Prince William, Duke of Cambridge.

(FWIW, his full title: His Royal Highness Prince William Arthur Philip Louis, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus, Royal Knight Companion of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Knight of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle.

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Also, would the Duchess of Cornwall be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort? And isn't Kate technically speaking a commoner since she is a Duchess and Countess only by marriage?
The Prince of Wales' office has said that if/when Charles becomes king, Camilla will bear the title "princess consort." If that is indeed what happens, she will be the first wife of a British king to hold that title.

As for Kate, I believe that she is no longer considered a commoner by virtue of being a royal duchess. The more accurate (I think) way to put it is that she comes from a family that is neither royal nor noble.


I need a life.

DubaiSis 12-03-2012 04:23 PM
I'm glad they've changed the rule, and surprised I didn't hear this. In their history, the women have been the best, and the kings were either meh or outright bad, except for the short reign of Elizabeth's father.

I'm still waiting for the psychic prediction to come true that I heard when Princess Diana was pregnant, that she would have a son, her son would be the next king (that Charles for whatever reason would never reign), and that he would be a great king. And if I'm not mistaken, Charles would have to die for this to become true because even if he didn't want to be king, he would have to accept the crown and then hand it to his son. And of course, he is getting old, so he could die of old age (I know, you don't actually die of old age), while his mother lives on to be a gazillion years old. Not that I'm rooting for this eventuality. I've just held onto this prediction (from the Oprah show) for years and keep waiting to find out if it's accurate or not.

MysticCat 12-03-2012 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Low C Sharp (Post 2191907)
Strange but true: technically, Diana was born a commoner as well. The daughters of earls are not members of the nobility, and are styled "Lady Firstname" as a courtesy. See also Lady Marjorie of "Upstairs, Downstairs," daughter of the Earl of Southwold.
Exactly, which brings it back around to the way I phrased it -- from a family that is neither royal nor noble. While Lady Diana was not herself noble, her father/family was.

And yes, born a commoner would be another way to say it. But once Kate had the right to be called Her Royal Highness, she was most certainly not a commoner anymore.


I admire your geekiness. :D

adpimiz 12-03-2012 05:36 PM
Congratulations to them! They deserve it.

honeychile 12-04-2012 02:01 AM
On another board, someone was moaning about "it's too soon!" and really being a Debbie Downer about it. She was quickly reminded (not by me, I defriended this burst of sunshine) that the Duke and Duchess lived together for something like eight years prior to their marriage, and are both over thirty. If they want the big family they threaten to have, thirty years old is a little late to be starting it!

And I heart my Jamestown cousin for his knowledge of the peerage!

AGDee 12-04-2012 08:13 AM
I also recall that was part of the reason they waited so long to get married. They knew the pressure to have a baby would be there once they did. I'm happy for them. I have a friend who had the same thing Kate is hospitalized with now, with both of her pregnancies. It is really rough and she was on home IVs for months after her hospitalizations. It was enough to make my friend decide that two babies were enough, even though they originally wanted four.

MysticCat 12-04-2012 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2192020)
And I heart my Jamestown cousin for his knowledge of the peerage!
Aww, thanks, cuz.

(You know, the Duke of Cambridge and I are distant -- very distant -- cousins, too.)

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2191891)
Sorry. Brain stuck in Renaissance Festival mode where most of the noble women used "Lady" since most were playing *daughters* of Nobles. I also had a few insist on calling me Lady Sirena, since I played a Duchess-ranked character, which was necessary since they wanted my costumes to be royal blue. The whole fairy thing just added to the grey area there when it came to titles & pecking order. :p
Or, you could have been thinking about the expected child, who, if a daughter, will be "Lady ___ of Cambridge." ;)

The current rule is that as long as the Queen is on the throne, only William and Kate's first son will be entitled to be called "Prince."* All the other kids, as great-grandchildren of the monarch, will be "Lord" or "Lady" whoever until either their grandfather or father becomes King. At that point, as grandchildren or children of the monarch descended through the male line, they all become princes and princesses.


* I wonder if the current rule that the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is entitled to be called "Prince," will be modified now that the rules of succession are being changed, so that William and Kate's eldest child, whether male or female, will be titled "Prince" or "Princess." That's the point after all -- the one who is called "Prince" is the one who is third in line for the throne.

AlphaFrog 12-04-2012 12:10 PM
So, two questions...

Why will Camilla be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort?

When QEII passes and William & Kate's children become princes & princesses, will Kate become a princess as well? Or does she need that title bestowed? I wonder if they'll give it to her when the baby is born...

DeltaBetaBaby 12-04-2012 12:29 PM
I am fascinated by the speculation that she'll have twins, and the first one out becomes the heir.

carnation 12-04-2012 12:58 PM
I bet the twin thing comes from her current problems with vomiting, which often occurs in twin pregnancies due to hormones.

AZ-AlphaXi 12-04-2012 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2192070)

Why will Camilla be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort?
My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that the Palace announced when Charles and Camilla married that she would take the title of Princess Consort when he becomes King in order to short circuit ill feeling about Queen Camilla replacing Queen Diana.

ColdInCanada11 12-04-2012 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2192070)
So, two questions...

Why will Camilla be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort?

When QEII passes and William & Kate's children become princes & princesses, will Kate become a princess as well? Or does she need that title bestowed? I wonder if they'll give it to her when the baby is born...
She already is a princess- Princess William. She won't be a princess in her own right (unless a British monarch chooses to make her one [doubtful]).

The "Princess Consort" issue is because of Diana and her memory. Technically she will be Queen (Consort) and Charles will have to create the title Princess Consort.

AlphaFrog 12-04-2012 01:29 PM
I meant princess in her own right.

And I kinda feel bad for Camilla still living in Diana's shadow. Even if she is technically Queen, it's not how she'll be remembered.

I'm all for skipping straight to King William. Thought obviously I, nor does anyone, get a vote. Monarchy and all.

ColdInCanada11 12-04-2012 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2192078)
I meant princess in her own right.

And I kinda feel bad for Camilla still living in Diana's shadow. Even if she is technically Queen, it's not how she'll be remembered.

I'm all for skipping straight to King William. Thought obviously I, nor does anyone, get a vote. Monarchy and all.
Yep, unfortunately no woman marries into the royal family will be a princess in their own right. I never understood when I was younger, until my grandmother explained it was because they only gained the title because of their marriage- therefore they don't get the title for being born into it.

I'm not Camilla's biggest fan (I'm also not Diana's though, either), and I feel terrible for her. I agree, I think at this point in time the throne should pass to William, but that has nothing to do with Camilla. Alas, alack.

MysticCat 12-04-2012 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2192070)
So, two questions...

Why will Camilla be a Princess Consort instead of a Queen Consort?
What others said -- though it was Clarence House (the Prince of Wales' staff), not the palace that said Camilla will be titled Princess Consort, a title never used before in Britain.

(BTW, while Philip is a prince consort, being both a prince and a consort, that is not his title. His title is Duke of Edinburgh.)

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When QEII passes and William & Kate's children become princes & princesses, will Kate become a princess as well? Or does she need that title bestowed? I wonder if they'll give it to her when the baby is born...
As ColdinCanada said, she is already Princess William, but the title of Duchess of Cambridge takes precedence.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2192078)
I meant princess in her own right.
And again as CiC, said, she can never be a princess in her own right, because that only comes by blood, not marriage. Even when she is queen, she will not be queen in her own right -- she will be queen because she is the consort of the king. The difference there is that she will be called by her own name -- Queen Catherine -- while she cannot now be called Princess Catherine.

The challenging question about the throne passing to William rather than Charles (at least other than by Charles dying before his mum or by Charles abdicating) is that we're talking about the monarchy of 16 countries, not just one. All 16 would need to sign onto any change in the rules, just as they have had to do to change the rules about a first born daughter having precedence over any later-born sons.

honeychile 12-04-2012 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2192067)
Aww, thanks, cuz.

(You know, the Duke of Cambridge and I are distant -- very distant -- cousins, too.)
I did not know this! That's exciting!

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Or, you could have been thinking about the expected child, who, if a daughter, will be "Lady ___ of Cambridge." ;)

The current rule is that as long as the Queen is on the throne, only William and Kate's first son will be entitled to be called "Prince."* All the other kids, as great-grandchildren of the monarch, will be "Lord" or "Lady" whoever until either their grandfather or father becomes King. At that point, as grandchildren or children of the monarchLady descended through the male line, they all become princes and princesses.


* I wonder if the current rule that the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales is entitled to be called "Prince," will be modified now that the rules of succession are being changed, so that William and Kate's eldest child, whether male or female, will be titled "Prince" or "Princess." That's the point after all -- the one who is called "Prince" is the one who is third in line for the throne.
Just curious - the Duke of York's daughters are styled Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. Yet, the Earl of Wessex's children are Viscount Severn and Lady Louise Windsor. Any explanation?


For everyone's entertainment:

The first 20 individuals in the line of succession are:

Charles, Prince of Wales, has been first in the line of succession since 1952.

1) Charles, Prince of Wales (b 1948), eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II
2) Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b 1982), elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales
3) Prince Harry of Wales (b 1984), younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales
4) Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b 1960), second son of Queen Elizabeth II
5) Princess Beatrice of York (b 1988), elder daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
6) Princess Eugenie of York (b 1990), younger daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
7) Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b 1964), youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II
8) James, Viscount Severn (b 2007), son of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
9) Lady Louise Windsor (b 2003), daughter of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
10) Anne, Princess Royal (b 1950), daughter of Queen Elizabeth II
11) Peter Phillips (b 1977), son of Anne, Princess Royal
12) Savannah Phillips (b 2010), daughter of Peter Phillips, son of Anne, Princess Royal
13) Isla Phillips (b 2012), daughter of Peter Phillips, son of Anne, Princess Royal
14) Zara Phillips (b 1981), daughter of Anne, Princess Royal
15) David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley (b 1961), son of Princess Margaret, the late younger sister of Queen Elizabeth II
16) The Honourable Charles Armstrong-Jones (b 1999), son of David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley
17) The Honourable Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b 2002), daughter of David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley
18) Lady Sarah Chatto (b 1964), daughter of Princess Margaret the late younger sister of Queen Elizabeth II
19) Samuel Chatto (b 1996), elder son of Lady Sarah Chatto, daughter of Princess Margaret
20) Arthur Chatto (b 1999), younger son of Lady Sarah Chatto, daughter of Princess Margaret

DeltaBetaBaby 12-04-2012 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2192090)
I did not know this! That's exciting!


Just curious - the Duke of York's daughters are styled Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. Yet, the Earl of Wessex's children are Viscount Severn and Lady Louise Windsor. Any explanation?


For everyone's entertainment:

The first 20 individuals in the line of succession are:

Charles, Prince of Wales, has been first in the line of succession since 1952.

1) Charles, Prince of Wales (b 1948), eldest son of Queen Elizabeth II
2) Prince William, Duke of Cambridge (b 1982), elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales
3) Prince Harry of Wales (b 1984), younger son of Charles, Prince of Wales
4) Prince Andrew, Duke of York (b 1960), second son of Queen Elizabeth II
5) Princess Beatrice of York (b 1988), elder daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
6) Princess Eugenie of York (b 1990), younger daughter of Prince Andrew, Duke of York
7) Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex (b 1964), youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II
8) James, Viscount Severn (b 2007), son of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
9) Lady Louise Windsor (b 2003), daughter of Prince Edward, Earl of Wessex
10) Anne, Princess Royal (b 1950), daughter of Queen Elizabeth II
11) Peter Phillips (b 1977), son of Anne, Princess Royal
12) Savannah Phillips (b 2010), daughter of Peter Phillips, son of Anne, Princess Royal
13) Isla Phillips (b 2012), daughter of Peter Phillips, son of Anne, Princess Royal
14) Zara Phillips (b 1981), daughter of Anne, Princess Royal
15) David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley (b 1961), son of Princess Margaret, the late younger sister of Queen Elizabeth II
16) The Honourable Charles Armstrong-Jones (b 1999), son of David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley
17) The Honourable Margarita Armstrong-Jones (b 2002), daughter of David Armstrong-Jones, Viscount Linley
18) Lady Sarah Chatto (b 1964), daughter of Princess Margaret the late younger sister of Queen Elizabeth II
19) Samuel Chatto (b 1996), elder son of Lady Sarah Chatto, daughter of Princess Margaret
20) Arthur Chatto (b 1999), younger son of Lady Sarah Chatto, daughter of Princess Margaret
This is interesting, because it is surprisingly clear to me. It passes to the eldest, then their eldest, and once those options are exhausted, it goes to the sibling at the lowest level.

ColdInCanada11 12-04-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2192090)


Just curious - the Duke of York's daughters are styled Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. Yet, the Earl of Wessex's children are Viscount Severn and Lady Louise Windsor. Any explanation?
Edward and Sophie chose to style their children as the children of an Earl rather than a prince to make life easier for them (similar to Anne and Mark). I believe that they can chose to use the title of Prince/ss when they are older if they so wish.

thetygerlily 12-04-2012 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2192094)
This is interesting, because it is surprisingly clear to me. It passes to the eldest, then their eldest, and once those options are exhausted, it goes to the sibling at the lowest level.
Okay good, that was my assumption but I lost track once it started getting away from QEII's territory. I would love to see this in family tree view! I need a process flow diagram :)

MysticCat 12-04-2012 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 2192090)
I did not know this! That's exciting!
Like I said, very distant. Through the Spencer side.


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Just curious - the Duke of York's daughters are styled Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. Yet, the Earl of Wessex's children are Viscount Severn and Lady Louise Windsor. Any explanation?
Because the Queen said so? :D

Seriously, that's pretty much the case. Under the rules, they are entitled to the title prince and princess. However, when Edward and Sophie married, the palace announced that he was created an earl* and also announced that his children would be styled as children of an earl (Lord and Lady) rather than as children of the monarch's son. As the oldest (and only) son of an earl, son James, goes by his father's subordinate title of Viscount Severn rather than by Lord James.

Presumably, the Queen's announcement was driven by a desire to spare the children some of the baggage and publicity that can go with being "prince" and "princess," especially since Edward and Sophie both continued to work in the private sector.


* The same announcement said that upon the death of Philip, Edward will succeed to the title of Duke of Edinburgh.


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Originally Posted by ColdInCanada11 (Post 2192095)
I believe that they can chose to use the title of Prince/ss when they are older if they so wish.
I don't think so, since the decision on how they will be styled was the Queen's. I think either the Queen would have to change her mind on that or a subsequent monarch would have to direct otherwise.

ColdInCanada11 12-04-2012 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2192097)

* The same announcement said that upon the death of Philip, Edward will succeed to the title of Duke of Edinburgh.
As long as Charles sticks with the plan :rolleyes:

MysticCat 12-04-2012 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdInCanada11 (Post 2192098)
As long as Charles sticks with the plan :rolleyes:
True. :D

And I meant to point out too that Anne and Mark did not choose for their kids not be called prince and princess. Under the current rules, it is only children of the monarch's sons that are entitled to be called that.

ColdInCanada11 12-04-2012 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2192099)
True. :D

And I meant to point out too that Anne and Mark did not choose for their kids not be called prince and princess. Under the current rules, it is only children of the monarch's sons that are entitled to be called that.
I thought that Her Majesty offered Mark a title so that Philip and Zara would be titled but they turned it down?

AZ-AlphaXi 12-04-2012 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by thetygerlily (Post 2192096)
Okay good, that was my assumption but I lost track once it started getting away from QEII's territory. I would love to see this in family tree view! I need a process flow diagram :)
http://www.britroyals.com/royalfamily.htm

Psi U MC Vito 12-04-2012 04:19 PM
Hey MC, trivia question. What is the full title of Elizabeth?

MysticCat 12-04-2012 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ColdInCanada11 (Post 2192103)
I thought that Her Majesty offered Mark a title so that Philip and Zara would be titled but they turned it down?
That has been the widely-known rumor, though I don't know whether it was ever officially confirmed. Had he accepted a title, Philip and Zara would have been titled, but not as prince and princess. (But I see know that upthread you said "similar to Anne and Mark," so yes, I think the same concerns were at play.)

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2192108)
Hey MC, trivia question. What is the full title of Elizabeth?
I'm going to the Wiki for this one :D:
  1. UK: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith (Elizabeth II, Dei Gratia Magnae Britanniae, Hiberniae et terrarum transmarinarum quae in ditione sunt Britannica Regina, Fidei Defensor)
  2. Canada: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith/Sa Majesté Elizabeth Deux, par la grâce de Dieu Reine du Royaume-Uni, du Canada et de ses autres royaumes et territoires, Chef du Commonwealth, Défenseur de la Foi
  3. Australia: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Australia and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  4. New Zealand: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God Queen of New Zealand and Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
  5. Antigua and Barbuda: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Antigua and Barbuda and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  6. The Bahamas: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the Commonwealth of The Bahamas and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  7. Barbados: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Barbados and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  8. Belize: Her Majesty Elizabeth The Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Belize and of Her Other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  9. Grenada: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Grenada and Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  10. Jamaica: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Jamaica and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  11. Saint Kitts and Nevis: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Christopher and Nevis and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  12. Saint Lucia: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Lucia and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  13. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  14. Papua New Guinea: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Papua New Guinea and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  15. Solomon Islands: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of the Solomon Islands and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
  16. Tuvalu: Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, Queen of Tuvalu and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth
Then in Guernsey and Jersey, she is Duke of Normandy, and on the Isle of Man she is Lord of Mann.



I so need a life.

Psi U MC Vito 12-04-2012 05:31 PM
You forgot one. Also I would hate to be the herald at an event where all those countries are represented.

MysticCat 12-04-2012 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2192126)
You forgot one.
LOL, not surprised. Who did I leave out?

Psi U MC Vito 12-04-2012 05:38 PM
Duke of Lancaster

thetygerlily 12-04-2012 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ-AlphaXi (Post 2192107)
YES! Thanks.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2192125)
Then in Guernsey and Jersey, she is Duke of Normandy, and on the Isle of Man she is Lord of Mann.
I love that she is a Duke and Lord in addition to being a Queen.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2192125)
I so need a life.
But then we would all be pitched from the age of enlightenment and into a dark, doomsday type place! Don't leave us hanging like that. Your people need you ;)


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