Feelings about MODS and thread deletion
 

I 100% agree with the message thread regarding mod explanation below. The mods on this site are on such a power trip that they delete informative threads I have written. Do we have any recourse here, or should we find a different site that we are allowed to be candid on? All I did was explain to some people that secrets of several fraternities were hijacked and put on the wiki leaks website. Guess what, some mod who sits at home with nothing better to do, just keeps deleting them without any message or anything. I have not violated any terms of use, or the law etc. Whoever runs this site needs to keep mods accountable and their needs to be a process in which mods give an explanation OR where to delete it requires 3 mods to vote for it.

Why should we be censored for informative and intelligent conversations, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the site? I am very bothered with this, and I hope others have some Insight on this.

Is it wrong to be concerned to alert fraternity members that their ritual manuals have been compromised???

Please provide feedback!

You were providing links to sites with secrets?

There is nothing anyone can do about wikileaks, and GC chooses not to advertise it.

Sit down, CNN, the fraternity members already know. :rolleyes:

Mods have always taken great liberties with this site, but they can. So if you don't like it, go somewhere else.

Uh, you were promoting sites that revealed Greek ritual secrets.

This is GREEKchat.

Duh.

I actually think your post should be deleted. We do not want information like that advertised.

Appreciate you
 

I just wanted to say thank for being candid with an intelligent response which some of the other posting members obviously don't possess.

Wow
 

That was not my question, not a very intelligent answer and not a great welcome to the site, seems like this place is your whole life, 5,000 posts wow! You must feel better about yourself for posting this.

Thank you
 

Thanks for responding I really appreciate it. What happened was a friend told me about these manuals being online. Since I am a intellectual property lawyer, I wanted to inform the community and offer free legal assistance to members of the affected organizations in terms of a demand letter and a filing with the copyright infringement bureau. I guess the links is where I went wrong? Just wanted to follow up with proof of what I was saying but I guess everyone already knows. I was frustrated that I kept getting deleted. Thanks

Already sitting smart guy
 

Sit down? Hahahah... CNN??? Try intellectual property lawyer, but thanks for the compliment.

Apparently one group tried to send a cease and desist but it was just posted by the site as proof that what they had was real. The US govt can't keep them from posting government secrets, so not much sororities and fraternities have been able to do about this.

If you are a good lawyer you would contact the HQ of each group. Not some message board that is open to everyone.

I wonder what you had hoped to accomplish with posting about leaked rituals. To piss people off? It's not like individual members can do much of anything other then send angry letters. It is something their national HQ has to handle.

These things pop up every now and then- most of the leaked information is not new to the internet, and not new to wikileaks. If anyone wanted to find the ritual of some specific organization, I'm sure with a little google searching they can find it. Some rituals were even released due to the Freedom of Information Act.

I wouldn't call all rituals intellectual property either. Many organizations have similar rituals due to founding members connections with other organizations.

Your post should have been deleted. Your post wasn't novel, and other than trying to piss people off, it served no purpose.

Thanks for playing, try again!

Ooooh. Thanks for clarifying because upon reading your first post in this thread I thought the Starbucks barista had slipped me a special brownie...

What AOII_Angel says below is correct. We don't take legal action because that proves the authenticity to the document. They're not copyrighted because we we (speaking for my organization here, but assuming for others) don't want to share them to do so. Regardless, I think most organizations have taken the stance that leaked secrets don't devalue their meaning to members. The values we commit to are far more important than the ceremonies that explain them, an the exposure of those values does not alter our commitment to them.

Thank you, Gusteau, for an elegant, polite response. As for the brownie part ... ;)

You don't write like any real lawyer I ever met and it doesn't take a whole lot of brains to realize that posting links to dumb things people have done is just as dumb.

Follow up
 

Gus,

Thanks for your response and constructive comments. I see what you are saying now and I am prepared to leave it alone.

No sense at all
 

It is people like this who irk me. I am sorry I am not writing in prefect style on a message board. I am using an iPhone and i save my brief writing for my paying clients. And I am guessing your fraternity was affected and now your bitter. Gain some manners and professionalism and maybe well talk. And ps using dumb twice like that makes you look like a 6th grade. Good day young lad

Most appreciated
 

Yes, I really appreciated his respect and courtesy. I am new to this site so I was trying to understand protocol. These other people who are writing nasty comments have no level of professionalism or a sense of being courteous. Ty again

Get your facts straight
 

First off I wasn't trying to piss people off, I was trying to help others and offer legal assistance. I obviously pissed you off enough to write all of this so I guess something was accomplished. Don't post on my thread if I didn't serve any purpose. Geesh make some real Friends outside of Greek chat and maybe you would understand. Thank you for playing and while you are at it learn some
Manners, this isn't a forum for barn animals, was just asking a ? As I am new to site. Wanted to get feedback from
Members before I went to national org. Now I know that it has been dealt with (thanks to a few nice people) I feel better. Lastly since this is obviously your life on this forum why not make others feel welcome to the community like Greeks are taught to do

I will never understand those who argue that their poor grammar or spelling should not be used to judge their education or intelligence. Here at GC it's all we have.

Every time you write -whether on a computer, a phone or with a quill pen - you are presenting yourself. Why in the world would you (deliberately) chose to not present your best self? You would also have the advantage of not having to go back and defend yourself from the observation that your writing style does not meet the standard for a college graduate, never mind a lawyer. We have several lawyers on GC who consistently post well-written posts, even though we are not paying clients. But fear not - I won't point out your many errors. I save editing for paying customers.

"Welcoming" does not equal "not pointing out errors or stupidity". Welcome to the internet, where if you are going to be thin-skinned about criticism you'd best not post.

eta - Aw, look at you playing posting police - complete with the "you have no life outside GC" chestnut. May we look forward to a flounce soon?

SigTausbleedblu, you've admitted you are new to the site. To help you understand some of the responses you are getting, I will say this: You are acting like a first semester 1L gunner who not only raises his hand in every class, but also tries to correct the prof. You are bragging about your LSAT score and scholarship between classes, and yet you don't understand why no one wants to be around you.

Tone it down a bit, hang out with us for a while, get to know the environment you've just jumped into. I'm guessing you weren't "that guy" in law school, so please try not to be "that guy" on GC. :)

The two people he has called out about posting so much? One has been here for ten years hence the high post number. The other has been here for eight months. Her average posting per month is already lower than the OP.

If you have a problem with moderators, why not take it up with them?

And why the hell would you post about a site that leads others to seek out rituals? You could also have just sent a PM to a member of the groups involved.

Not a way to make friends here, dear.

You're really going there?? Do the math, it's about 1.25 posts per day. Hardly spending one's entire life here.


http://www.digitalwerks.org/wp-conte...oads/o_rly.jpg

Nobody needs your help. I'm sure that organizations over 100 years old have their own legal team. But points for trying to backpedal.

I get it now. You are a LOLyer.

The title makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-oHYYaw9jA

Whoa ,whoa, whoa . . . or is it woe, woe, woe?

I just realized he called an Alpha Gam a guy in the title to the above post.

Greek knowledge fail.

Why is he assuming we're all male?

I sure hope he's a better lawyer than that.

On another note...OP, you might not want to act like a douche after revealing your identity. I don't care who you are or what you are, you just don't do that here.

Please see the bold.

So, you would send the US Copyright Office a demand letter in text-speak on behalf of a(n) (inter)national organization?

I'm sure that would go over well.

Please tell me that you're not soliciting on the web. If that's what you were doing in your posts, then that's probably part of the reason your posts were deleted. Advertising oneself is frowned on here, as is posting anything alerting anyone to where ritual secrets might be found. Thats to say nothing of the questionable ethics or tackiness of it.

Your own posts aren't exactly great examples of professionalism or courteousness either. If you want to be treated courteously, treat others courteously.

Seriously? You say you come here to offer your legal services and you don't think taking some care in how you write matters? I don't think that's going to work out too well for you.

Just so you know, there are quite a few lawyers on GreekChat. I am one.

Mysticcat you are a lawyer right? Could you tell me what does it mean when a lawyer's state bar lists them as suspended? Did they do something bad?

At least where I practice, it means that they can't practice law during the time of the suspension.

And I would say yes, as a general rule, it means that they did something they shouldn't have done.

Wait. SigTauBleedsBlu, you must have been the guy who was posting as Outraged SAE.

Is that the exact language? There are generally 4 statuses available for a law license. Active, which means you're going to your CLE classes, paying dues, etc., inactive, which is what Barack Obama's license is since he doesn't intend to practice law in Illinois anytime soon, that's a voluntary status which means you no longer have to take CLE or pay dues. Suspended is something that happens involuntarily. It can be from not doing CLE or paying dues, or because of professional sanctions. Finally, you can be disbarred, which is permanently (or until further application) not allowed to practice law.

Suspended can also be the result of a deal -- lawyer agrees to suspension to forgo a hearing and the chance of disbarment. Kind of a plea deal.

In my experience at least, suspensions for CLE deficits and failure to pay bar dues are rare, because those things are easy to rectify. More often, a suspension is the result of a first time, serious ethics violation.

Lawyers can also receive censures, which are essentially warnings that don't affect licensure status.

You asked if there was any recourse, so yes, it really made me feel so much better about myself to explain that you don't have any first amendment rights to post on Greek Chat. Great lawyering.

Who was that?

Right before this guy posted, another one posted links to secrets as Outraged SAE. Then it disappeared and this guy showed up, only he's posting as a Sig Tau.

Genius. I wonder if Outraged SAE could have provided pro bono legal services, too?

Thanks for the info.