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UofHguy90 06-13-2012 01:38 AM
Non-African American's in D9.
 
I searched for threads related to this but couldn't really find any relating specifically. This is meant to be a open and intellectual debate about how people feel about this.

knight_shadow 06-13-2012 03:22 AM
Here's a thread from a few years back that touches on this:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=87018

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 03:43 AM
Thanks for the thread

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 04:50 AM
Wow after going through quite a few pages of that article, you start to realize there are still a lot of idiots out there in the world lol. Instead of resurrecting a few year old post I would like to start a new one and get the opinions of people today.

I'll start off by saying that I am a white guy,I was raised in predominately african american neighborhoods and went to predominately african american schools. So naturally the extent of my greek knowledge comes from being around members of D9 organizations. I personally don't see what the color of someone's skin has to do with their character or how they would help an organization, but even as someone who has attend one of the most diverse universities in the U.S., I have seen this problem. I have been told I can't pledge and org. because when I showed interest or asked about said org. I " wasn't dressed the right way" also because "I'm white". IMO i think it is foolish for people to say things like this,when they represent and organization thats states that they are NOT biased towards these things.

What are you all's opinions on this topic????

Senusret I 06-13-2012 08:31 AM
It's likely that they just don't like you as a person.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 08:55 AM
While that could also be true, the words in the quotes was what I was told by the members of said org.

Senusret I 06-13-2012 09:01 AM
You'd be surprised at how hard it is for members to say "We're not interested in you."

Good luck, though.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 09:12 AM
Thats the thing though it did not come from a member of the undergraduate chapter,in fact the undergraduate guys wanted me to pledge. It came from a guy in a graduate chapter and after he said his bit about everything they no longer seemed to want me around. *shrugs*

I would think it would be easier to say "We're not interested in you." than to resort to flat out racism. O_o

33girl 06-13-2012 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151875)
I would think it would be easier to say "We're not interested in you." than to resort to flat out racism. O_o
Well, not really. If they make it because of your race, it makes it impersonal. It's like if you say to a girl "sorry I'm not attracted to you, but I don't like blondes" when her hair has nothing to do with it, it's her personality that bugs.

irishpipes 06-13-2012 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151845)
Wow after going through quite a few pages of that article, you start to realize there are still a lot of idiots out there in the world
Like people with a college education who spell Non African-Americans with an apostrophe s.

justgo_withit 06-13-2012 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 2151920)
Like people with a college education who spell Non African-Americans with an apostrophe s.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4...w2dno1_250.gif

(mostly, just been wanting to use this. Stephen wtf are you wearing.)

thetalady 06-13-2012 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151845)
Wow after going through quite a few pages of that article, you start to realize there are still a lot of idiots out there in the world lol. Instead of resurrecting a few year old post I would like to start a new one and get the opinions of people today.

I'll start off by saying that I am a white guy,I was raised in predominately african american neighborhoods and went to predominately african american schools. So naturally the extent of my greek knowledge comes from being around members of D9 organizations. I personally don't see what the color of someone's skin has to do with their character or how they would help an organization, but even as someone who has attend one of the most diverse universities in the U.S., I have seen this problem. I have been told I can't pledge and org. because when I showed interest or asked about said org. I " wasn't dressed the right way" also because "I'm white". IMO i think it is foolish for people to say things like this,when they represent and organization thats states that they are NOT biased towards these things.

What are you all's opinions on this topic????
My opinion is that it is none of my business who any private organization pledges or accepts for membership. If they don't want you as a brother, they don't want you. They do not have to explain or justify their membership decisions to anyone.

You don't know what you don't know; however, I doubt that you have some of the ancestral history shared by members of the D9 groups.

DrPhil 06-13-2012 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2151839)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2151863)
It's likely that they just don't like you as a person.
Everything that can be said about this topic.

sigmadiva 06-13-2012 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2151937)
My opinion is that it is none of my business who any private organization pledges or accepts for membership. If they don't want you as a brother, they don't want you. They do not have to explain or justify their membership decisions to anyone.

You don't know what you don't know; however, I doubt that you have some of the ancestral history shared by members of the D9 groups.
This is not an issue.

Its more likely what Sen I said, they just don't like him. It can happen no matter the race / color / ancestral history of the person.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 2151920)
Like people with a college education who spell Non African-Americans with an apostrophe s.
I also think people who troll over a misplaced apostrophe are idiots too.:D

DrPhil 06-13-2012 05:41 PM
Anyway, as with most NPHC aspirant questions, we cannot help you on Greekchat but we wish you well. Good luck.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 05:52 PM
While I like the opinions on my personal situation, I was really looking for opinions about the broader subject at hand. As for my personal experience it really doesn't matter, because it happened way back in 2008 during my first semester in college. I was just using it to show why I don't believe that ethnicity should be a deciding factor in a fraternity membership.

DrPhil 06-13-2012 05:57 PM
Uh...good for you. This topic has been discussed on GC many times over the years. Partake in the existing threads or go away with your redundancy.

Greek_or_Geek? 06-13-2012 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151982)
While I like the opinions on my personal situation, I was really looking for opinions about the broader subject at hand. As for my personal experience it really doesn't matter, because it happened way back in 2008 during my first semester in college. I was just using it to show why I don't believe that ethnicity should be a deciding factor in a fraternity membership.
Quoted for hmmmm.

DrPhil 06-13-2012 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2151984)
Quoted for hmmmm.
What is so "hmmm" about that?

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2151983)
Uh...good for you. This topic has been discussed on GC many times over the years. Partake in the existing threads or go away with your redundancy.
If you don't like the thread, nobody is forcing you to make comments or read it for that matter

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2151984)
Quoted for hmmmm.
Is there a problem with that being my first semester in college?:confused:

DrPhil 06-13-2012 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151986)
If you don't like the thread, nobody is forcing you to make comments or read it for that matter
Apply this logic to your need to discuss the topic.

Greek_or_Geek? 06-13-2012 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2151985)
What is so "hmmm" about that?
Maybe I haven't read enough, but it was my understanding that an aspirant of a D9 group would not even be in the situation where they'd be discussing membership with members that early in their college career.

DrPhil 06-13-2012 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2151990)
Maybe I haven't read enough, but it was my understanding that an aspirant of a D9 group would not even be in the situation where they'd be discussing membership with members that early in their college career.
You have not read enough.

knight_shadow 06-13-2012 06:10 PM
So much for open, thoughtful dialogue lol

knight_shadow 06-13-2012 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2151991)
You have not read enough.
Zoinks!

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek? (Post 2151990)
Maybe I haven't read enough, but it was my understanding that an aspirant of a D9 group would not even be in the situation where they'd be discussing membership with members that early in their college career.
It really depends on the school you attend and the chapter's own rules at that school, the school I was attending at the time didn't have any rules about freshman, nor did the chapter.

DrPhil 06-13-2012 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2151993)
Zoinks!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...S9IoOoRmifvZRw

Greek_or_Geek? 06-13-2012 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2151991)
You have not read enough.
Can you suggest some material? (I'm being completely serious about this.)

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2151992)
So much for open, thoughtful dialogue lol
Riiiiiiggghhhttt lol

DrPhil 06-13-2012 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2151992)
So much for open, thoughtful dialogue lol
Just cut and paste the older threads. LOL.

knight_shadow 06-13-2012 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2152000)
Just cut and paste the older threads. LOL.
Me? Exert effort?

Hogwash!

DrPhil 06-13-2012 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2152001)
Me? Exert effort?

Hogwash!
Washhog!

Iota Man 06-13-2012 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2151845)
Wow after going through quite a few pages of that article, you start to realize there are still a lot of idiots out there in the world lol. Instead of resurrecting a few year old post I would like to start a new one and get the opinions of people today.

I'll start off by saying that I am a white guy,I was raised in predominately african american neighborhoods and went to predominately african american schools. So naturally the extent of my greek knowledge comes from being around members of D9 organizations. I personally don't see what the color of someone's skin has to do with their character or how they would help an organization, but even as someone who has attend one of the most diverse universities in the U.S., I have seen this problem. I have been told I can't pledge and org. because when I showed interest or asked about said org. I " wasn't dressed the right way" also because "I'm white". IMO i think it is foolish for people to say things like this,when they represent and organization thats states that they are NOT biased towards these things.

What are you all's opinions on this topic????
I feel you, and it's fucked up to reject an aspirant because of color, but that's just life in general. But how do you know it's about your skin color? How do you know it's not just you? I went to Ohio State, and we had a few white bruhs, and some white dudes who wanted to pledge, we didn't fuck with. That didn't mean they were rejected because of their race, though. I think it largely depends on the school, too. HBCUs are going to be different and are more likely than not going to have a different perspective on their selection. So if you attend a HBCU, that could be the problem.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Iota Man (Post 2152006)
I feel you, and it's fucked up to reject an aspirant because of color, but that's just life in general. But how do you know it's about your skin color? How do you know it's not just you? I went to Ohio State, and we had a few white bruhs, and some white dudes who wanted to pledge, we didn't fuck with. That didn't mean they were rejected because of their race, though. I think it largely depends on the school, too. HBCUs are going to be different and are more likely than not going to have a different perspective on their selection. So if you attend a HBCU, that could be the problem.
I know it was about race because that is literally what the guy said. "I'm white" "You didn't dress right". It was a debate event with a panel of various people and from various organizations and this guy was actually on the panel. He ended up pulling me aside after I was being introduced to some of the brothers in the undergrad. chapter and told me these things. As for the HBCU thing Texas Southern is right down the road literally,and their chapters actually give me the time of day and I have met some great people from there,but I don't believe I could pledge there.

Iota Man 06-13-2012 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by UofHguy90 (Post 2152014)
I know it was about race because that is literally what the guy said. "I'm white" "You didn't dress right". It was a debate event with a panel of various people and from various organizations and this guy was actually on the panel. He ended up pulling me aside after I was being introduced to some of the brothers in the undergrad. chapter and told me these things. As for the HBCU thing Texas Southern is right down the road literally,and their chapters actually give me the time of day and I have met some great people from there,but I don't believe I could pledge there.
Dude was foul as hell for that. He's only one person, though. We had a voting process at my chapter. There were dudes who didn't like me at first, but they got outvoted. Why don't you think you can pledge at Texas Southern?

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Iota Man (Post 2152015)
Dude was foul as hell for that. He's only one person, though. We had a voting process at my chapter. There were dudes who didn't like me at first, but they got outvoted. Why don't you think you can pledge at Texas Southern?
Yeah he was foul for it,and I would've stuck around to be voted in or out but after that rush event, all the guys from the undergrad. started to ignore me,so I took a hint,lol. From my understanding it has nothing to do with the schools but with "beef" between chapters of the same fraternities. The easiest way for me to do that is I would have o transfer to TSU for a semester,pledge, the transfer back to U of H

knight_shadow 06-13-2012 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Iota Man (Post 2152015)
Dude was foul as hell for that. He's only one person, though. We had a voting process at my chapter. There were dudes who didn't like me at first, but they got outvoted. Why don't you think you can pledge at Texas Southern?
Based on his username, it looks like he attends University of Houston. I believe they have separate chapters, not city-wide.

UofHguy90 06-13-2012 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2152018)
Based on his username, it looks like he attends University of Houston. I believe they have separate chapters, not city-wide.
Yes I did attend U of H and that is exactly how it is, even within the UH system each school has a separate chapter


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