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exlurker 06-08-2012 05:29 PM

Advice for $195 -- Marietta GA
 
My ------- goodness:

Some people in Marietta GA are offering, for $195, advice, instruction, etc. on sorority recruitment, according to this article on a local paper's site:

http://mdjonline.com/view/full_story...ry_left_column

I hasten to say that if a young woman can afford it and wants to do it, that's her business. She could probably get pretty much the same information from checking out GC, (right?) but that might require more searching than some people would want to do.

I also hasten to say that for large swaths of the USA and Canada where recruitment is not as intense as it can be in the American South, news of this kind of enterprise may come as a surprise.

amanda6035 06-08-2012 06:12 PM

Good Grief. Heli-moms who think they know it all because their daughters joined a sorority.

AnchorAlumna 06-08-2012 06:30 PM

We discussed something similar in this thread http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ht=rushbiddies about these gals: http://www.rushbiddies.com/

Since I posted that, I found out somebody in my own small city is doing something similar. I don’t think she’s had a lot of takers, though. The local alum panhellenic has worked with them, even tho their tea is free.

amIblue? 06-08-2012 06:35 PM

While I think one does not have to be in a sorority in order to know conversation skills and etiquette, with no personal sorority experience how in the hell do they think they are qualified to teach about rush?

DubaiSis 06-08-2012 06:56 PM

Although I think there could be some excellent training somewhere, this doesn't sound to me like it. The one thing girls can't get from searching here is actual conversation experience and this is where I think a girl could get the biggest leg up.

If I'm reading between the lines here, it's a reason to get girls (and probably their mothers) through the door to buy their stuff. In that region, I would think there are lots of women available (Marietta Panhellenic for instance, presuming it exists and of which these women would NOT be eligible members) to do this training more effectively. I don't know what it costs to attend an Alumnae Panhellenic tea, but I bet less than $200 and then you'd be meeting real life members and advisers. Thus, a girl would have not just the benefit of the training but also of possibly getting in front of decision makers for later on.

But good on them for being entrepreneurial. Hopefully they will do no harm.

AnchorAlumna 06-08-2012 07:11 PM

Marietta is an Atlanta suburb.
Atlanta has an absolutely awesome Panhellenic: http://www.atlantapanhellenic.org/re...ent/index.html
Their recruitment event is in March.
And always, always, there are girls and mamas who don't think a thing about sororities until Snowflake goes off to freshman orientation.
They may pick up some of those panic-stricken ladies.

atrianglepi 06-08-2012 09:47 PM

Man I missed out. I live near there and I have been advising my REC girls for free. I have been to the Atlanta Panhellenic event twice and they do a great job.
I can understand the Bama mom giving advice, but is GA Southern really that competitive? Several girls from our local high school go there and have no problem joining a chapter.

carnation 06-08-2012 10:00 PM

Georgia Southern can be quite competitive-it depends on what you're looking for.

amIblue? 06-08-2012 10:30 PM

The article said the daughter goes to Georgia College and State University. I do not recall that it is particularly competitive from my time in Georgia, but I'll defer to Carnation on this one. Georgia Southern can certainly be competitive for certain chapters.

GPhiBLtColonel 06-09-2012 02:53 AM

I saw this on FB and one of the two ladies running this event is a Tennesse Pi Phi. I had to email them because their initial marketing used the word Pan-Hellenic instead of Panhellenic. That has since been changed on the site now.

Our alum panhel has been doing annual sorority information sessions for many years and never charged a cent! Check it out on our website: Atlanta Southern Crescent Alum Panhellenic Association http://www.ascapa.org - my co-chair and I already planned to add conversations to the agenda next year...so perhaps we should now market our sessions as "a $195 value!"

carnation 06-09-2012 08:55 AM

Man! When I think of all the free sorority information I've dished out!

AXOrushadvisor 06-09-2012 09:21 AM

Wait.....whatttt??!! If I'm reading this correctly they are not in sororities, but their daughters are so that makes them experts?

I said this the last time time this topic came up. I have been giving advice for free for over 25 years. I personally think my information that I share is pretty darn good. I live this stuff for 5 days every year.

atrianglepi 06-09-2012 12:54 PM

GA Southern is not GCSU. Sorry, I think I have Ga Southern on the brain as my son's girlfriend is going there and wants a REC. I do know several girls at GCSU and they all are very good about securing RECs ahead of time.

Xidelt 06-09-2012 10:56 PM

Aren't these ladies a little late to the game? These workshops would have been more helpful in the early spring. That would have given PNMs much more time to secure recs. I'm sure you can get the same advice for much less money from the Rush Right book mentioned in another thread here on Greekchat.

dgdramadawg 06-10-2012 12:08 AM

I'm really curious to know what groups these girls are in at Bama and GCSU. I can't imagine that running a for-profit rush workshop for PNMs conforms with the contact rules at either campus.

Titchou 06-10-2012 08:04 AM

I'm just sorry I didn't think of this!

AOII Angel 06-10-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

No preference will be given to one sorority over another, but the workshops will provide a comprehensive overview of the Panhellenic society and things that sisterhood has to offer
I want to know exactly what this is supposed to mean?

Always AlphaGam 06-10-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgdramadawg (Post 2151246)
I'm really curious to know what groups these girls are in at Bama and GCSU. I can't imagine that running a for-profit rush workshop for PNMs conforms with the contact rules at either campus.

Bama - Tri Delta
GCSU - ADPi

Based on what Google found I think these girls have recently become alumnae members of their groups.

Titchou 06-10-2012 12:33 PM

I don't see what all the negative uproar is about. I think it's a great idea - a little pricey but hey - if they pay it, so be it.

It's not against school recruitment rules because it's PH oriented. You'd have to ban APH events as well as what we all do on a personal level every day.

I think it's also great for women who are the first in their family to go to college...or whose mother may be Greek but hasn't even read her group's magazine since she got married. Things have changed since mom was in school and if she hasn't kept her hand in it - the daughter won't have a clue.

I see it as a positive....

AOII Angel 06-11-2012 08:46 AM

It's positive if they know what they are talking about. You have women who have no discernible sorority connection (being the mothers of sorority members does NOT count) giving advice and information about sorority recruitment and "a comprehensive overview of the Panhellenic society". You just have to wonder how accurate and how biased their information is. Since they are not members of Panhellenic themselves, they have no agenda to see that the good of Panhellenic as a whole is upheld.

AlphaFrog 06-11-2012 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2151407)
It's positive if they know what they are talking about. You have women who have no discernible sorority connection (being the mothers of sorority members does NOT count) giving advice and information about sorority recruitment and "a comprehensive overview of the Panhellenic society". You just have to wonder how accurate and how biased their information is. Since they are not members of Panhellenic themselves, they have no agenda to see that the good of Panhellenic as a whole is upheld.

There's also no recourse if they AREN'T being Panhellenic. Their daughters are alum, and even so, you can't really punish a chapter for one of their member's craycray helimoms if they were playing dirty.

Titchou 06-11-2012 09:05 AM

Wouldn't it be nice to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty - just once? What do you want? A member from each of the 26 NPC groups to run the business so we all "know" they are truly being Panhellenic????? Really?

AlphaFrog 06-11-2012 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2151415)
Wouldn't it be nice to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty - just once? What do you want? A member from each of the 26 NPC groups to run the business so we all "know" they are truly being Panhellenic????? Really?


Oh, calm down, no one is saying that.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-feA180TRS8...2BEdition.jpeg

AOII Angel 06-11-2012 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 2151415)
Wouldn't it be nice to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty - just once? What do you want? A member from each of the 26 NPC groups to run the business so we all "know" they are truly being Panhellenic????? Really?

There are groups out there that talk about recruitment very panhellenically without involving a member of every NPC group, but they have appropriate credentials to back up their advice. Where do these ladies get their information? Your sarcasm is unnecessary.

Titchou 06-11-2012 09:24 AM

Oh good grief, Charlie Brown!

tootiepie2 06-11-2012 09:37 AM

I don't think you have to be a member of a NPC group to give advice about recruitment. I am a member of Kappa Alpha theta but I would never have been able to give people advice about LSU- it was totally different then the school I went to. Some of the best advice I got was from a woman who ws not in a sorority but her three daughters had all been through recruitment at LSU. She was very helpful and quite honestly I probably would have paid for the help with recs etc. that she gave us.

GPhiBLtColonel 06-11-2012 08:57 PM

As I mentioned back on page 1 of this thread - one of the ladies doing this workshop is Pi Phi from Univ of Tennessee. But she and her partner did not know enough to use the proper term - eg Panhellenic - they had Pan-Hellenic in their initial marketing materials.

I am sure this workshop will be fine and if someone pays $195 to attend I guess that is her choice. I suspect it's probably more an etiquette workshop with a sorority recruitment twist. There are already two awesome alumnae panhellenic associations in the area - Atlanta APH and the Atlanta Southern Crescent APH - who hold wonderful sorority info sessions for FREE! :rolleyes:

KSUViolet06 06-11-2012 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carnation (Post 2151132)
Man! When I think of all the free sorority information I've dished out!

RIGHT?! Do you mean I could be getting PAID for talking about all the stuff that gets stickied around here for free??

In all seriousness, making people pay for this kind of thing opens up a host of other issues. Ex: Mommy McDaughterCopter wants a refund because Daughter didn't get a bid. Or didn't get a "good enough" chapter even though she did everything you said.

It also rubs me the wrong way because I KNOW who they're targeting with their services. First generation college students who know nothing about Greek Life who THINK it's going to up their chances.

Football Fan 06-12-2012 12:03 AM

Our local Tri Delta alumnae chapter has never heard of this workshop. When I read the article it was a complete surprise. The Atlanta alumnae chapter of Tri Delta has no connection with this business. We belong to the NPC Atlanta Panhellenic, have a delegate, alternate and support the Atlanta Panhellenic and their programs.

DeltaBetaBaby 06-12-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2151596)
RIGHT?! Do you mean I could be getting PAID for talking about all the stuff that gets stickied around here for free??

In all seriousness, making people pay for this kind of thing opens up a host of other issues. Ex: Mommy McDaughterCopter wants a refund because Daughter didn't get a bid. Or didn't get a "good enough" chapter even though she did everything you said.

It also rubs me the wrong way because I KNOW who they're targeting with their services. First generation college students who know nothing about Greek Life who THINK it's going to up their chances.

Right, and as we've talked about here, women who are ultra-prepared know the active sisters already, and THAT is what matters. No workshop is going to give you that advantage.

GPhiBLtColonel 06-12-2012 01:21 AM

If I had a "spare" $195 it would be interesting to attend this workshop to see whether it is on/off the mark....plus who is in the audience!
:rolleyes:


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