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afwilliams 05-16-2012 10:45 PM

Multiple Recs Showing Favoritism?
 
Sorry if this has been asked before but I couldn't find it in the search. I want to know that if I happen to get multiple recs to one chapter, does it come across that they are my "favorite" compared to the others on campus? Should I keep an even number across the chapters if I don't exactly where I want to end up? I know that some of the chapters kind of talk between themselves and I don't want to hurt my chances.

Old_Row 05-16-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2146545)
Sorry if this has been asked before but I couldn't find it in the search. I want to know that if I happen to get multiple recs to one chapter, does it come across that they are my "favorite" compared to the others on campus? Should I keep an even number across the chapters if I don't exactly where I want to end up? I know that some of the chapters kind of talk between themselves and I don't want to hurt my chances.

I was under the impression that one did not shop for an NPHC sorority.

afwilliams 05-16-2012 10:55 PM

This is in regard to NPC, sorry for not being clear

Old_Row 05-16-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2146549)
This is in regard to NPC, sorry for not being clear

So you changed your mind in the last couple of weeks?

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2140509)
So I will be starting college in fall and am interested in joining an NPHC sorority. They all have facebook pages and I was wondering if "liking" their page seems desperate per se. I know that is one of the big things, not to appear desperate or annoying when trying to make an impression. My intentions are just to stay updated on events so that when they come up I can show my interest in the organization and make a more informed decision in what I witness first hand, versus "he-say, she-say". Sorry, if this seems long, but thanks for the help!


afwilliams 05-16-2012 11:02 PM

I have decided to go through recruitment to explore all my options.

Always AlphaGam 05-16-2012 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2146545)
Sorry if this has been asked before but I couldn't find it in the search. I want to know that if I happen to get multiple recs to one chapter, does it come across that they are my "favorite" compared to the others on campus? Should I keep an even number across the chapters if I don't exactly where I want to end up? I know that some of the chapters kind of talk between themselves and I don't want to hurt my chances.

Get a rec for each chapter. If you get more than one, great.

Membership selection and talk amongst chapters is none of your business.

afwilliams 05-16-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Always AlphaGam (Post 2146553)
Get a rec for each chapter. If you get more than one, great.

Membership selection and talk amongst chapters is none of your business.

Thank you for actually answering my question (:

The reason I added that part is because I read in a thread on here that sometimes things like being a legacy and talking about loving a certain chapter can hurt a PNMs chances, I just didn't know if it crossed into the same "category" if that makes sense.

Thank you though for the answer.

WCsweet<3 05-16-2012 11:33 PM

Having multiple recs are fine up to a point. One or two is great especially if you are going to a competitive school where they are needed. If we are talking about four or more recs then it is a little overboard. Members rarely say that they have received recs for PNMs to people outside of their chapter.

afwilliams 05-16-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WCsweet<3 (Post 2146555)
Having multiple recs are fine up to a point. One or two is great especially if you are going to a competitive school where they are needed. If we are talking about four or more recs then it is a little overboard. Members rarely say that they have received recs for PNMs to people outside of their chapter.

Yes it would only be in that 1-2 rec group, no more than that, and thank you for the response

AOII Angel 05-16-2012 11:43 PM

One chapter will not know how many recs you have to another chapter. Depending on where you go to school, one rec may be plenty. If you are going to a highly competitive SEC school, two or more may be okay, but try not to be excessive.

AnchorAlumna 05-16-2012 11:56 PM

If anybody offers to write you a rec for a sorority that you've already got 2 or more for, for heaven's sake don't turn them down! Be gracious and say thank you.
Besides, all those who write recs may not get around to it...or forget...or do it too late...you won't know exactly how many you have.

MaryPoppins 05-17-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna (Post 2146559)
If anybody offers to write you a rec for a sorority that you've already got 2 or more for, for heaven's sake don't turn them down! Be gracious and say thank you.
Besides, all those who write recs may not get around to it...or forget...or do it too late...you won't know exactly how many you have.

Very, very true!

thetalady 05-17-2012 01:09 AM

I think you need to step back from the computer and think long and hard about making some decisions before you worry about recs.

NPC or NPHC... that is a HUGE decision that you haven't even made yet. Please don't think that you will get a shot at both. Ain't going to happen.

afwilliams 05-17-2012 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna (Post 2146559)
If anybody offers to write you a rec for a sorority that you've already got 2 or more for, for heaven's sake don't turn them down! Be gracious and say thank you.
Besides, all those who write recs may not get around to it...or forget...or do it too late...you won't know exactly how many you have.

Thank you for that info!

Senusret I 05-17-2012 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2146566)
I think you need to step back from the computer and think long and hard about making some decisions before you worry about recs.

NPC or NPHC... that is a HUGE decision that you haven't even made yet. Please don't think that you will get a shot at both. Ain't going to happen.


If she is going to a school where if your greatest shot at joining an NPC as a first semester freshman, but you can't join an NPHC until you're a sophomore, I personally don't see anything wrong with maximizing the odds. Do NPC and NPHC women really compare notes like that? Will an NPHC woman have memory of NPC rush *the year before?*

In any case, there's nothing wrong with gathering recs now and changing her mind later, right? Wouldn't that be the wise thing to do - have your bases covered?

ETA: Unless you were suggesting that she can't be a *member* of both or shouldn't actually begin pledging an NPC until she's made her mind up, which I agree with.

afwilliams 05-17-2012 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146592)
If she is going to a school where if your greatest shot at joining an NPC as a first semester freshman, but you can't join an NPHC until you're a sophomore, I personally don't see anything wrong with maximizing the odds. Do NPC and NPHC women really compare notes like that? Will an NPHC woman have memory of NPC rush *the year before?*

In any case, there's nothing wrong with gathering recs now and changing her mind later, right? Wouldn't that be the wise thing to do - have your bases covered?

Thank you Senusret. That is my goal in all of this, to be prepared. I would rather have the recs than not and be put at a disadvantage.

sigmadiva 05-17-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146592)
If she is going to a school where if your greatest shot at joining an NPC as a first semester freshman, but you can't join an NPHC until you're a sophomore, I personally don't see anything wrong with maximizing the odds. Do NPC and NPHC women really compare notes like that? Will an NPHC woman have memory of NPC rush *the year before?*

In any case, there's nothing wrong with gathering recs now and changing her mind later, right? Wouldn't that be the wise thing to do - have your bases covered?

ETA: Unless you were suggesting that she can't be a *member* of both or shouldn't actually begin pledging an NPC until she's made her mind up, which I agree with.

Maybe not "compare notes", but if afwilliams is attending a PWI with a small AfAm student population, nothing needs to be said because it will get noticed and word will spread that way.

If afwilliams has an unsuccessful NPC recruitment then tries NPHC I'm almost certain she will not be looked on favorably by the NPHC sororities. Why? Because those women in the NPHC sororities will interpret that as us being her "sloppy seconds". This may not happen, but it also very well could.

irishpipes 05-17-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2146554)
The reason I added that part is because I read in a thread on here that sometimes things like being a legacy and talking about loving a certain chapter can hurt a PNMs chances, I just didn't know if it crossed into the same "category" if that makes sense.

The rec forms for most if not all NPCs includes a section about a PNM's legacy status to any NPC group, so that information becomes common knowledge. How many recs you get to each chapter is not common knowledge.

Senusret I 05-17-2012 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2146597)
Maybe not "compare notes", but if afwilliams is attending a PWI with a small AfAm student population, nothing needs to be said because it will get noticed and word will spread that way.

If afwilliams has an unsuccessful NPC recruitment then tries NPHC I'm almost certain she will not be looked on favorably by the NPHC sororities. Why? Because those women in the NPHC sororities will interpret that as us being her "sloppy seconds". This may not happen, but it also very well could.

Yes, it could go either way. My experience with college students doesn't suggest that being a likelihood, but everyone's mileage will vary.

DrPhil 05-17-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146592)
Do NPC and NPHC women really compare notes like that? Will an NPHC woman have memory of NPC rush *the year before?*

At some schools, yes.

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146592)
ETA: Unless you were suggesting that she can't be a *member* of both or shouldn't actually begin pledging an NPC until she's made her mind up, which I agree with.

I also agree. :)

thetalady 05-17-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146592)
Do NPC and NPHC women really compare notes like that? Will an NPHC woman have memory of NPC rush *the year before?*

SERIOUSLY? You think that if pledging an NPC doesn't work out that the campus NPHC organizations might not know? and even more, won't CARE that she tried to join an NPC organization first & came to them only after her attempt to join an NPC group failed? :eek:

Really don't see that happening....

Senusret I 05-17-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by thetalady (Post 2146641)
SERIOUSLY? You think that if pledging an NPC doesn't work out that the campus NPHC organizations might not know? and even more, won't CARE that she tried to join an NPC organization first & came to them only after her attempt to join an NPC group failed? :eek:

Really don't see that happening....



There are a lot of possibilities in addition to the one you posit, including the young lady going through recruitment and deciding it's not for her, or getting a bid and turning it down, or getting all of her recs but deciding not to even start NPC rush.

Lots of things could happen and I'm not disagreeing that having an unsuccessful NPC rush and THEN attempting to join an NPHC would be problematic. But I am saying it's not the only outcome.

sigmadiva 05-17-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2146645)
There are a lot of possibilities in addition to the one you posit, including the young lady going through recruitment and deciding it's not for her, or getting a bid and turning it down, or getting all of her recs but deciding not to even start NPC rush.

Lots of things could happen and I'm not disagreeing that having an unsuccessful NPC rush and THEN attempting to join an NPHC would be problematic. But I am saying it's not the only outcome.

No, it usually goes like this (I've noticed):

Unsuccessful NPC recruitment OR unsuccessful NPHC intake ==> try to join a MCGLO ==> try to join a local ==> "I think I need to start my own sorority because none at my school are for me." :rolleyes:

Senusret I 05-17-2012 11:42 AM

Yes, it can also go like that.

afwilliams 05-17-2012 01:39 PM

Just a little clarification, I am preparing for both NPC and NPHC. I have not ultimately decided where I would like to become a member at just yet. I have weighed the pros and cons of both and understand that I cannot be a member in both. I also know that it is a serious decision because of the lifetime commitment and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

I am getting recs for NPC so that if I decide to go that route I won't be scrambling at the last minute. I have even started to make a list off sorority women from NPHC that I can go to when that time comes for letters of recommendation.

Although I truly want to be a part of sorority life, I would not consider one or the other a "back-up". I feel that I could be happy in either group. I am just asking the question about NPC recs because that is the first event that will come up if I decide to go that route.

I know that I still have a lot of thinking to do, I just want to have all my bases covered no matter which way I go :)

sigmadiva 05-17-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by afwilliams (Post 2146687)
Just a little clarification, I am preparing for both NPC and NPHC. I have not ultimately decided where I would like to become a member at just yet. I have weighed the pros and cons of both and understand that I cannot be a member in both. I also know that it is a serious decision because of the lifetime commitment and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

I am getting recs for NPC so that if I decide to go that route I won't be scrambling at the last minute. I have even started to make a list off sorority women from NPHC that I can go to when that time comes for letters of recommendation.

Although I truly want to be a part of sorority life, I would not consider one or the other a "back-up". I feel that I could be happy in either group. I am just asking the question about NPC recs because that is the first event that will come up if I decide to go that route.

I know that I still have a lot of thinking to do, I just want to have all my bases covered no matter which way I go :)

I think the way you are going about this is to cover all of your basis, and for most things that is exactly what you would do. But, in this case it does not exactly work like that. From an NPHC perspective, it is understood that one selects the sorority because the aspirant has thoroughly researched the org, and she can see herself as a benefit to the aims of the org.

Personally, it sounds to me as if you should do more research into the various orgs that you are interested in so that you can be more prepared for the recruitment process. In any process one of the first questions you will be asked is "Why do you want to join?" You should have a well thought out answer, and not just "because I want to join a sorority" - that makes you look as if you are only in it for the letters.

Understand that I am not criticizing what you are doing. I just think you need to do more research so that this fall you will be fully prepared to go through the sorority recruitment process of your choice.

afwilliams 05-17-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2146691)
I think the way you are going about this is to cover all of your basis, and for most things that is exactly what you would do. But, in this case it does not exactly work like that. From an NPHC perspective, it is understood that one selects the sorority because the aspirant has thoroughly researched the org, and she can see herself as a benefit to the aims of the org.

Personally, it sounds to me as if you should do more research into the various orgs that you are interested in so that you can be more prepared for the recruitment process. In any process one of the first questions you will be asked is "Why do you want to join?" You should have a well thought out answer, and not just "because I want to join a sorority" - that makes you look as if you are only in it for the letters.

Understand that I am not criticizing what you are doing. I just think you need to do more research so that this fall you will be fully prepared to go through the sorority recruitment process of your choice.

I completely get where you're coming from, and that you for explaining in such a "non-bratty" way :) I see how what I'm doing could possibly be seen as just being in it for the letters, that is definitely not my intent. Thank you very much for the info :)

afwilliams 05-17-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2146691)
I think the way you are going about this is to cover all of your basis, and for most things that is exactly what you would do. But, in this case it does not exactly work like that. From an NPHC perspective, it is understood that one selects the sorority because the aspirant has thoroughly researched the org, and she can see herself as a benefit to the aims of the org.

Personally, it sounds to me as if you should do more research into the various orgs that you are interested in so that you can be more prepared for the recruitment process. In any process one of the first questions you will be asked is "Why do you want to join?" You should have a well thought out answer, and not just "because I want to join a sorority" - that makes you look as if you are only in it for the letters.

Understand that I am not criticizing what you are doing. I just think you need to do more research so that this fall you will be fully prepared to go through the sorority recruitment process of your choice.

I completely get where you're coming from, and that you for explaining in such a "non-bratty" way :) I see how what I'm doing could possibly be seen as just being in it for the letters, that is definitely not my intent. Thank you very much for the info :)

sigmadiva 05-17-2012 02:44 PM

You're welcome. :) Good luck in your pursuit. I hope you find the org that is best for you!


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