Cuts between rounds
 

Between which rounds are the largest cuts generally made?

I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, I'm just getting anxious about recruitment. If there is a specific time in which the most cuts are made, I want to kind of prepare myself.

Thanks!

It depends on the group. With RFM, each group gets different release numbers depending on their "recruiting strength." Some groups have to make early cuts to make sure they widdle down the numbers in a reasonable fashion to assure they make quota. Other groups have to keep large numbers of PNMs in order to assure that they have the best chance to show PNMs who they are so that they can make quota. They may not release women until close to preference.

Not all campuses are on RFM, in which case, it completely depends on the chapter.

True, but most are.

No group ever HAS to keep any PNMs.

Thank you for this explanation, but I'm kind of confused. Are you saying those that recruit more "strongly" cut more earlier and those that recruit not quite as strongly make bigger cuts late? Or do I have that wrong? lol. Thanks!

With RFM, those chapters with historically strong return rates are required to release more early.

You truly need to get off the internet and concentrate on your re-rush in progress. Asking questions like this is not going to help you figure out what your "chances" are. There are many more factors than release numbers.

I'm not sure why it's not okay to ask questions. I just want to be prepared for any disappointment and knowing when the heaviest cuts happen can assist in that. I'm not trying to figure out my "chances," I just want to emotionally prepare myself. I currently have nothing to do at the moment in regards to recruitment, and I am trying to not go crazy waiting for the next events.

After round one most groups release all the grade risks, reputation risks and no recs (if they are needed on that campus). That is often the more heavily cut round.

Because your questions are veering closer and closer into membership selection territory and do not have any bearing on your individual situation. Everyone's recruitment situation is different. There's no way to "prepare" yourself based on some kind of magical statistical formula. Get out and try to do something fun to get your mind off things that are out of your control.

Those are the houses you currently have left. They can cut you at any time for any reason, even if they don't cut anyone else that round and they haven't cut you up to this point.

Maybe you could do a volunteer project with your free time. Or some crafts (pinterest has some amazing ideas). Or try a new recipe. Or visit with family members you don't see often. Or start a new TV series. Just something to get your mind off of things. I don't mean this to be rude, I just know I can get nervous and over think things and these may be better uses of your time than worrying at this point.

If you must do something recruitment related, pick out your outfits for the next rounds or try to start friendly conversations with people when you're out and about. Figure out a new cute way to do your hair. Or just put on some music and dance around for awhile. Something. I know recruitment is anxiety producing, but you can't let it take over your whole mind. Best of luck to you.

Technically they do if they want any NMs. I never said that Panhellenic makes them keep PNMs. If you are a weak recruiting chapter, you "have" to keep more girls in order to have a sufficient number of PNMs to make it through recruitment and have NMs on bid day when compared to more strongly recruiting chapters. I'm not getting into CPC forcing chapters to keep PNMs they don't want, which I think is bogus.

My first thought was oh my god she's back again.

Assume you will feel cuts evenly through the entire process of rush.

She means that if a group looks at the pool of girls going through rush and says "yuck. They all suck." they are allowed to cut every single one of them. Of course, it's going to be uber fun explaining this to your nationals.

I know what she means. Which is why I posted what I did. Of course the likelihood of ALL remaining PNMs being too "yucky" for you to consider is like the PNM thinking the remaining houses are too "yucky" for her to consider. It's time to put on your big girl panties and reassess the situation. You can make the best of the situation or you can damn your chapter to failure.

^^^ You are correct and give good information in my opinion. I know that that they can not make you invite any PNM you don't want, however, our system will not allow you to submit your list unless your number of invites matches your RFM number. There is flexibility on the flex list. I hate doing the flex lists most of all.

See, that's what AF and I are talking about.

Panhel has no idea by what standards the sororities are re-inviting rushees. If the RFM number says invite 50 and the sorority has only met 25 women that they feel they would like as members, they should only have to invite those 25. Forcing them to invite more is interfering with their right as a private organization to select their members.

That's crazy. Have you ever tried NOT inviting as many as they say you should? Panhell CAN tell you that you can't invite more than you're number, but I've been involved with two chapters that have purposely not invited back their number (one very strong and the other weak) without a squeak from Panhell. They don't have the right to tell you who you invite into your organization. For the strongly recruiting group, we did not make quota. For the weaker chapter, we made quota + 10!

ETA: I'd stand my ground with the CPC, but if it came down to one PNM that the chapter isn't that floridly against and the alternative is no QAs, etc...I'd think about giving in, but if the chapter is down by several and you've explained the consequences to them and they are adamant, I'd go toe to toe with the Greek Life Advisor. they can change their number in the computer if that's what it takes to make the program work.

I'm with you, AOPI Angel. We had to fight one as well one recruitment. We offered to call our Fraternity NPC delegate and the GA relented.

A chapter should never ever be forced by Panhellenic (or worse computer software) to invite back a PNM that they don't want to invite. If the computer software is enforcing that requirement, it sounds to me like its time for Panhellenic to change software venders. I know that Campus Director allows a chapter to under invite.

So does ICS...