Starting a KKG chapter
 

Know that we already are creating an interest group on campus. We currently have 19 people (18 girls and myself) that are associated with it.

We already have an established Greek community on our campus with 5 NPC sororities.
ΑΟΠ, ΑΔΠ, ΑΣΑ, ΣΣΣ, and ΑΓΔ are our fab five.

...what?

Why are you worrying about sorority expansion?

I want to work in student affairs. things like this are what I do on a regular basis. I mean I already have a collection in the university library, two university ran programs, and a record of being a positive group influence. She approached me. I am merely helping out a friend. That being said; I read the informative website for KKG and I think the group is a solid foundation for women. I would love to see them on my campus :)

That's not how NPC expansion works.

Panhellenic has to be open for expansion then CHOOSE KKG for them to come on campus at Murray. There may be no need for a new group at this time, and even if they did come on campus, they may not choose to pledge your friend. That is NOT how NPC expansion works. The FIRST step is to see is there is a need for a new group, ie rapidly increasing quota or chapter total of the groups on campus, increasing interest in Greek life. This needs to be brought before Panhellenic who would then have to VOTE to open the campus to allow another group to colonize. All NPC sororities have agreed to abide by these rules, so there is no way around it.

What AOII Angel said, except I would like to add to the process that once Panhellenic decides that they are open for expansion, Kappa (or any other NPC group) has to choose to present to colonize. Then panhellenic chooses by vote which group of the ones presenting will colonize.

OP, There's a lot that goes into the decision of whether or not a sorority chooses to expand. It's not just "hey, here are these women who want to be XYZ, let's start a colony." Kappa (and I'm sure other NPC groups as well) have a strategy for growth. If your school IS open for expansion, then it will have to fit into an organization's expansion strategy in order for the group to even have a shot.

Murray State is okeyfine with the 5 groups that they have. If they are not to your liking (by which I mean if they're not prestigious enough), transfer. Also, it really doesn't matter if the Kappas at Blabbo State are hot. A new sorority doesn't make the girls at your school hotter.

I mean, I thought you were the self-proclaimed expert on all things Greek. You should know how expansion works.

The OP is in a fraternity, so none of the groups would be to his liking ;)

I meant his liking as far as being porkable.

LOL.

Anyone transferring schools for more "porking prospects" is lame as hell.

Exactly my point, my dear.

prune tacos?

And, by the way, Kappa is a great institution and I'm sure has an excellent website, but there are 18 other NPC sororities that are also excellent and also have great websites.

Kappa doesn't have a huge presence in Kentucky and although that's not a deal-breaker it does factor in. Also, there are 2 sororities who HAD chapters at Murray State that are currently dormant. According to NPC rules they are to get consideration in the expansion process (I know I read that on the NPC website but I don't know exactly where). And Kappa may have decided to put all their eggs in the "only schools with more than X number of students or X prestige factor or whatever" basket. So none of this means Kappa wouldn't be invited to colonize at Murray State, but it should give you a clearer idea of the flaws in your thinking.

If you want to help these girls out, you should suggest they read the www.npcwomen.org website and then talk to their panhellenic. And then I'd step aside. If the girls want this they should be able to work for it without some random guy inputting his two cents.

Of course, I left that out! The organization may have no interest in joining your campus no matter how much the campus would like them to colonize. Organizations have their own agendas and expansion plans that have been set by their leadership.

Okay. Love the input. Though some of it is mislead. I would like to note that I said I was going to play devil's advocate. I believe everyone was playing nice with the girl in the other thread. You may have not liked my comment, but it's the other side of the argument.

Back to this thread. I know about the process of NPC - They've already approached the right people and on the right track. The comment that was given from MY ADMINISTRATION was the fact that though there might be some interest on campus. KKG is a sorority that they are not extremely familiar with.

ALSO! Just so we can clear some of the air of sexism...I (as a gay man) am not interested in ever dating a sorority girl. K thanks. :)

If you all have already approached the appropriate people, you should have been told next steps.

As others have stated, you don't just pick which GLO you want at your school. The school has to be open for expansion and the organization has to decide whether or not it wants to come to your school. You can get all the KKG information in the world, but if the group is not interested in your school, it's not going to happen.

WHY ARE PEOPLE RESTATING THE OBVIOUS!
This topic was meant to gain information about KKG. Traditions, Philanthropy involvement, and other things that these girls do.

THE OBVIOUS CHOICE IS GOING TO THEIR WEBSITE

But if you bring up a topic on a message board, you're going to get responses. Take what you're given and keep it moving.

Yet you persist.

www.kappakappagamma.org

Interestingly enough, according to Murray State's website, three of the five sororities on campus are having Informal Recruitment this spring. It doesn't appear on the surface as if the sororities are bursting at the seams and that there's actually a need for another organization.

The organizations on your campus are fabulous. They have strong traditions and wonderful philanthropies. I'd also be willing to assert that on the whole, they do lots of the same things that Kappas do.

Sounds like a case of women who didn't get bids to the group they wanted.

Is it the schools Panhellenic or the Dean of Students(/equivalent) who get the final say? Obviously if the school says no extension, it really doesn't matter what the Local Panhellenic does, but has anyone seen a situation where the Dean of Students would like to have additional NPC sororities on campus but the existing NPC chapters have a majority vote against expansion? (and what happens then?)

thanks guys. I love all of the first hand responses. it's cool.

The harsh truth is that this may be a bit accurate (now that I think about it)
but if she pursues the expansion then I am going to still help out the best I can.

I would strongly suggest she work within the system she's got. We try to tell girls this over and over again, but if she has a group of friends who want to start a sorority and there's a sorority that is struggling for members, if they all joined that sorority both problems would be solved. That is of course assuming the sorority WANTED all those girls, but I think you get the point. A small chapter can change its persona pretty quickly with the addition of a handful of strong pledges. And being too good for any of these excellent sororities is short-sighted.

If you want to build your reputation as a leader among Panhellenic circles, work on that. If you can play a role in achieving parity at this campus that would be something to be proud of.

Try reading this thread: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=37621

I was simply going to ask, how many of these women have gone through recruitment with the groups that exist now? How many dropped out, at what rounds, did any receive bids, why did they decline them, etc? If none have been through recruitment, maybe they don't know what they're missing. If some have and were sour grapes about the results, I just don't know if that's going to add positively to Panhellenic unity and pride no matter what (if any sorority) does colonize.

For what it is worth, it is not unusual for one or more Murray State chapters to have informal recruitment in the spring.

My understanding is that most of the chapters are "right at" or “slightly over” total after fall rush. But after fall graduations, random early alum status, and with members studying abroad, any given chapter may be under total by a few members at the start of the spring semester. But still not enough "overall" to warrant expansion.

I wasn't trying to throw shade on the chapters with my comment. I was just trying to say that if a campus needed a new organization, there wouldn't be that many informal recruitment opportunities.

You are spot on. The criteria is "needs a new chapter", not "a new chapter wouldn't hurt anyone".

I didn't think you were. And as DeltaBetaBaby noted, you were spot on. :)

You still don't get it. It isn't up to her. An NPC organization (which includes KKG) can only expand to a campus if the campus Panhel decides that the campus is open for expansion and then is selected to expand there. When the colonization process begins the organization will select its new members.

I wish her the best of luck, but you have the wrong attitude. "Going forward" isn't her decision, unless she is looking outside of the ranks of the NPC.

Want to place bets on how long it will take before a post about starting a local pops up?

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there have been a few interest groups(re: girls who decided they wanted to be an ABC or what have you) at other colleges that decided they wanted to bring a chapter of "ABC" or "DEF" to their campuses, posted information about organizational meetings the girls were going to hold (flyers on campus as well as facebook messages, etc.). once their intentions got back to the campus panhellenic and ABC or DEF headquarters, the interest group got schooled on the proper way a NPC organization colonizes, and the young ladies were instructed NOT to represent themselves by using the object of their desire's name, symbols, colors, traditions, nickname, etc.

and as someone linked in a previous post, you and your friends can find all the information you want on the Kappa website. anything not posted there is not for the uninitiated.

I would just like to note that IFC chapters may (but not always) get their start as an interest group for a specific fraternity. As such, many NIC/IFC members think this way of colonization may also apply to the NPC.

At Murray State, there have been a number of fairly recent IFC chapters founded (re-colonized as the case may be) from interest groups. And since an NPC chapter has not colonized at Murray State since 1978 (some 34 years), it would not surprise me if his friend – and maybe even current NPC members - thought that this type of expansion was an option for getting a new NPC chapter as well.

That makes perfect sense.

I am certain, also, that if a member of this "interest group" was to contact the KKG HQ, a staff member from their extension department would inform her on the proper NPC procedure.

Basically the last two posts were spot on. She started with an interest group because the university said that they wanted to see an interest before pursuing the matter any further.

I DO UNDERSTAND the process with NPC and that KKG may not even come to Murray State. It may be a recolonization of Kappa Delta or Alpha Phi instead. It may lead to nothing. Who knows! I simply posted on here because (and I have repeated this several times) that I was thinking some information and positive input about the sorority would be something cool to redirect to these girls.

Instead it's been mostly a negative response. I am just trying to help, but honestly I don't think I will ever mention this thread ever being started. It has not been helpful.

So you understand there's a very small chance that KKG will colonize at Murray State, if any group does at all, but you named the thread 'Starting a KKG Chapter' and you're only looking for information about Kappa..?

Oookkkkk...

If you'd just admit that you weren't educated enough about the subject and thank everyone for the info/help, there'd be no need for snarkiness.

Here's the link to the Kappa Kappa Gamma National web page on extension

http://www.kappakappagamma.org/Conte..._a_Chapter.htm