NPC Sororities with no school overlap?
 

If two groups were to merge, ideally there would be no overlap where you had schools with active chapters of both Fraternity.

I know that the NIC has pairs of Fraternities for which that is true, (Kappa Alpha Society and Alpha Gamma Sigma for example) and given the fact that the NIC has a dozen fraternities with less than twenty active chapters, there are probably *lots* more pairs. (In fact I think for KA Society and AGS there aren't even any schools with charters in common (active or inactive))

I know that there are no pairs of NPHC fraternities/sororities for which it is true (all 9 have active chapters at a large number of schools)

Is it true for the NPC? Are there any pairs of NPC sororities that have no overlap between the schools where they have active chapters? (Ignore for the purposes of this whether their history and culture would make a merger even close to reasonable)

This is the fundamental question, right?

I don't think so.

I've read the whole original post several times and am ashamed to admit that I have no idea what it means. What am I missing? Can someone re-word this?

Is there any sorority which has ALL of its chapters in places that another sorority has NONE chapters?

Small scale:

AAA sorority is at St. Wilona's, Big State, and Darden Valley College.

BBB sorority is at St. JJ's, Guam State, and Lazarus Women's College.

For example, I believe Alpha Omicron Pi and Theta Phi Alpha only share 1 campus in common.

Edit: But TPA just colonized at Nebraska, so make that 2.

Actually, I can think of at least four schools with active chapters of both groups, not including the Theta Phi Alpha colony at Indiana :)

Sydney, don't feel bad.. I didn't understand the question at first, either.

I figured this out a while ago for AST, and there was one sorority (I wish I could remember which!) that we didn't share any campus with. However, that was a couple years ago, so things might have changed since then.

Seeing as that 20 of 26 NPCs are at Indiana alone, the chances would be very small. It would only take a study of the 6 that aren't there. Three of those 6 (Sigma Kappa, ASA, Sigma) are at Penn State, which cross-references 17 groups there.

ETA: Seems that there was a thread several years ago that listed how many common campuses particular sets of chapters had. Perhaps those that are better at searching this site than I am can find it.

I was going to guess DPhiE and AEPhi (now that AEPhi has withdrawn from Emory)?

or DG and AST?

Found this one in a quick search of New York state.

SUNY - Binghamton
Binghamton, NY
September 18-23, 2011
Quota=
Campus Total=
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Alpha Epsilon Phi Phi Mu 1985
Delta Phi Epsilon Epsilon Delta 1985 (40)
Sigma Delta Tau Gamma Alpha 1985
Phi Sigma Sigma Delta Xi 1985
Alpha Xi Delta Zeta Phi 1987-2011
Alpha Phi Eta Zeta 1990-2011

Thanks - I couldn't find a recent listing of AEPhi chapters.

For some reason, I keep thinking the sorority we don't share a campus with is Kappa Delta.. But I could be wrong.

I'm not in front of a computer so it makes it difficult to confirm right now.

Ok, I'll bite.

Why are we wondering this?

Using irishpipes's list, there's overlap at Eastern Illinois, Longwood, and Beloit.

I was thinking the same thing.

#1- It's Monday and we're all bored....

#2-No campuses currently having recruitment, so the "Bid Day Pictures" thread hasn't been updated in a while.......

#3-No fraternity got caught sacrificing a kitten this weekend, so nothing much to talk about......

#4-No chapters were shut down this weekend for holding illegal scavenger hunts, so nothing to gossip about.......

We share Eastern Illinois University, Longwood University, and Beloit. Only three so not too many.

Just to make sure I'm getting the question correct: Are there two NPC groups that are in partnership in chapter locations? Such as if AAA is at State U then BBB wouldn't expand there but would expand at University of State if AAA didn't have a chapter there?

Since it apparently happens with other councils; what is the point of this?

I think the question is what NPC groups do not have any (or only a few) chapters at campuses in common in case they want to merge.

^^^Besides, it's not like this is the first thread that's been created that has no purpose other than to discover some useless piece of info

Yes it is.

Naraht's talking about mergers and how awkward it would be if one organization merged with another, and two chapters were forced to merge with each other as a result. It's just speculation on whether a merger could happen today with NPC organizations where that WOULDN'T happen--no campus overlap between sororities.

I think the answer is no.

I like all of those answers.

Your understanding of my question is correct, unfortunately it is sort of phrased as a double negative. I couldn't think of a better way. :(

I believe not too long ago AST and Pi Beta Phi did not share any campuses, but then Pi Phi colonized at NYU recently.

I do not think there are any 2 NPCs that do not share at least one campus.

Now that you mention Pi Phi, I think that's the combo (AST/Pi Phi) that I discovered a couple years ago.

There is a listing on the public side of our web site, aephi.org.

NO! Please think of the kittens! :(

The part that makes it especially silly is I can't imagine any sororities thinking about merging. TPA is (I believe) the smallest NPC sorority and it is in growth mode, so why would they give that up? AEPhi and SDT have a similar background, but they also seem to be doing just fine without interference from anyone else, so why would they want to merge?

The only change I could foresee in the membership of the NPC is allowing a Canadian sorority to join, and maybe they'd merge with an NPC sorority that isn't represented in Canada already. That is definitely feasible since there are only a handful of international sororities. But there have been threads before about the issues associated with things as unsorority-like as international banking rules that will probably keep that from happening.

There are so SO SO many NIC fraternities and some of them are really small, so I could see that being a common point of discussion among them, but I don't really see it in NPC.

I seem to remember, when reading about past mergers, that some chapters just colonized as a new organization, rather than merging with the other (already present) chapter on campus. I.E.- AAA and BBB merged nationally, and both sororities already had chapters at Alpha University. The Beta Chapter of AAA at Alpha University (the one being absorbed) decides that they don't want to become members of BBB, so they ask CCC to pick them up, and CCC agrees.

Of course, I could be going crazy- but I seem to remember somebody doing it at some school. Zeta Tau Alpha fitting somewhere into the picture comes to mind. Can anyone confirm my too-ready-for-Thanksgiving-break thought process?

ETA: This also could have been a fraternity. Like I said- my brain is ready for Turkey Day.

Or WERE there? There is that other thread about the chapter being shut down...

I just can't understand why international banking rules would inhibit cross border sororities when there are a large number of cross border fraternities. I understand that expansion and rushing rules are considerably different between the NIC and NPC, but just can't imagine why the banking rules would be different.

I know that at Southwestern in Texas, Sigma Sigma Sigma "released" their chapter to Delta Delta Delta. I don't know why that happened - if it had anything to do with national mergers.

Phi Omega Pi at Auburn did this—nationally they were absorbed by Delta Zeta, but the local chapter decided to affiliate with AOPi instead.

Didn't that have to do with Sigma Sigma Sigma and the AES sororities deciding only to be at teacher schools ("normal schools")? I think Alpha Sigma Alpha also closed or released a chapter or two.

At least, that's what my impression was.

You're right - AOII has chatered at Ramapo and TPA at Nebraska so we're at 4. That is the least overlap AOII has with any NPC.

There are a lot of issues with chapters across the border. It's not as easy as it may seem.

I think it's an interesting question, albeit one with pretty much no real world impact. So here's a follow-up. Were this hypothetical merger to occur, would this be one (probably larger) org absorbing a smaller org [AAA and BBB "merge," all are now AAA] or two org actually merging [AAA and BBB merge, become ABC]? Is there anything in NPC bylaws allowing/forbidding this? Why would this ever happen?

My thoughts on the last would be if one org simply can't expand on a level with others, or if the Greek system suffers another large population drop (such as apparently happened in the '60s and '70s) and 26 orgs shrink to 13 SUPER GLOS. So I guess I answered my own question a little bit -- the first scenario would be an "absorption" (probably still called a merger for PR reasons), the second an actual merger, although I don't know if names would change or not.

I like hypotheticals, sorry about the slight derail.

Not entirely hypothetical. In 1959, Pi Kappa Sigma was absorbed by Sigma Kappa. I was told during the new member period that SK opted not to incorporate any of the elements of the PKS ritual into the SK ritual.

I know that Delta Sigma Epsilon was absorbed by Delta Zeta in 1956 - but whether they co-opted any ritual, I know not.

I see a cape involved. It could be a really cute halloween costume or something.

DG and AST are both at IUP.