Colleges With The Most Students In Fraternities: US News
 

Not all too sure how US News and World report did this but a bit interesting:
Fraternal organizations are an iconic part of the college experience (Animal House anyone?) but certainly, some colleges have a more prevalent fraternal life than others.
US News has compiled a list of the colleges with the most students in fraternities. Clearwater Christian College topped the list with 100% of its student body participating in fraternity life. Wow!
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ington_and_Lee

Just an fyi: Clearwater Christian College is a church of Christ affiliated school. They don't have fraternities & sororities per se, but similar groups called Social Clubs. Clearwater requires all of its students to join one of the social clubs for religious purposes. The clubs meet for bible study and fellowship. So, everytime CCC is called for 100% participation in Greek life, not so much.

I feel dumb, but I'll admit I've never even heard of a lot of those schools.

Me too. I think a lot of us are expecting to hear the schools we get a lot here, like the SEC and Big 10 schools.

Yes, I think their interpretation of "fraternity" might be a little loose. I enjoyed the 10 best colleges you haven't heard of, but I had heard of 9 of them. One of them is the defacto Alpha chapter of Alpha Xi Delta, so I've known about that school for years. And I think the top 10 biggest party dorms is more than a little skewed. 5 of the top 10 party dorms in the entire US are in Washington DC? Seems a little unlikely that the list of 10 biggest party schools doesn't correlate with the top 10 party dorms in any way.

Didn't we have this article before and agree it was stupid and didn't know what it was talking about (CCC being the prime example)?

I'm sorry, but there is no way that YCP (York College) is 70% Greek, unless they're talking about another York College.

Cosign.

If it's required, it really doesn't count. That's like a school having a PE requirement.

and calling it the most athletes in the country.

Hijack: I recently applied to be an adjunct at a evangelical Christian University, and found out they won't consider non-Christians at all, for any positions. I had no idea you could still be living in the dark ages and have a legitimate accreditation.

There is another York College in Nebraska. It is also a church of Christ affiliated school. Same situation as Clearwater, but it is not required to join the social clubs. At most of the C of C affiliated schools, the social clubs are a big deal.

In the "Small Club Growing Again" thread in the recruitment section, BeeVee's school is a church of Christ affiliated college.

As a Christian school, it is their right to do so, and I fully applaud them exercising that right.

And I fully believe that an institution funded largely by the government should not be discriminating based on religion.

In a practical sense, though, are you really providing students with a well-rounded education if they are never exposed to anyone with a different background? It would be one thing if they were only awarding degrees in ministry-related majors, but this school has programs in things like business and criminal justice. If someone goes out into the business world assuming that everyone will have a similar mindset, it seems like they'd be, well, a bit naive.

(ETA: I want to be clear this is NOT true of all evangelical Christian schools. I know of others that absolutely hire non-Christians.)

You call it the Dark Ages and they call it protecting what is theirs. Colleges and universities find ways to do that all of the time, especially private schools. Good for them.

And not all evangelical Christian Universities have those restrictions. But, if you work for one you have to live up to certain criteria. In other words, you can't think you are coming there to change stuff.

Are they funded largely by the government?

"Well-rounded education" is subjective and relative. The students who attend that school are doing so for reasons beyond being competitive in the world market.

It's absolutely shameful, but for the most part, people who go to those over the top evangelical schools aren't trying to be in the real world. They're trying to avoid anyone who isn't just like they are and who doesn't believe the exact same way they believe.

Personally, I am grateful for the self-segregation. I have known some folks in my life who believe that they need to pray over every single decision they make: i.e., stopping in the middle of Wal-Mart (where else?) to decide whether or not to buy bubble bath. It's tiresome. I've never thought that God was too concerned one way or the other about bubbles in anyone's bath. I figure God's more of a take bubbles or leave them kind of fellow.

Pot meet kettle. You are being as absolutely shameful and dismissive of others as you claim they are.

Can you give other examples of this? I'm not doubting you; I'm honestly curious. I was really taken aback by the whole thing, as nobody has ever told me "you can't apply to this job because you are Jewish" before. While I realize they are private, they certainly get government money, and that seems a strange exception to me.

As I noted above (and you did, too), not all are like this. I spoke with another evangelical Christian university that was more interested in hearing my thoughts on their values than my specific theology. Certainly, I understand that some schools emphasize things like social responsibility, or volunteerism, or community, etc., and they want faculty who fit with those things. That's really different, in my mind, from "you can't have this job unless you believe in Jesus".

For example, are HBCUs allowed to make a blanket statement that they hire only African American faculty? Or do they seek out faculty of all races who understand the history and roles of HBCUs?

So, DBB, would you be opposed to a Jewish affiliated university requiring all staff to be Jewish? I wouldn't. Judaism is complex (to me, as an outsider) and I feel that if someone wanted to attend a university that emphasized Judaism they wouldn't want to be taught by a bunch of Gentiles that don't understand the culture and religion.

If they have students who are receiving Pell Grants, Federal Student Loans, etc., then I would say probably so.

Cosign point 2.

For example, Research I institutions will not hire faculty who are not research focused. If you are primarily interested in teaching and connecting with students, you will be frowned upon at many Research I institutions.

This may not frighten people and make people feel discriminated against but the faculty who would qualify for most Research I employment across the country tend to be of a particular race and ethnicity, socioeconomic status, gender; and religion and sexual orientation are also strongly linked at some schools. In other words, you have to mesh well with the purpose of the institution, mesh well with the faculty, mesh with the study body, and be able to do what needs to be done with little backtalk. This is not formally stated but it still is what it is.

Technically, it isn't because you are Jewish but because you are not an evangelical Christian. Not every Christian would be hired by this institution depending on the circumstances.

The average HBCU's faculty is majority non-Black. I think that is deplorable for a number of reasons. It is good to hire non-Blacks but to allow faculty to be overwhelming white is horrendous. White faculty have plenty of colleges and universities to choose from.

Across HBCUs, faculty are not required to understand the history and roles of HBCUs.

When you know people who have to pray over what value meal to order at McDonald's, it gets old. I'm not making this up. I respect their right to believe what they believe, but I do not have to be a part of it. I'm all for blessing a meal, but I do believe that God gave us brains for a reason. YMMV.

It depends what you are teaching. In a seminary or Yeshiva, obviously the faculty are all going to be of that faith.

In the middle would be topics like humanities. I could see a Jewish university wanting to emphasize the role of Jews in certain topics. However, if someone was knowledgeable about the Jewish experience in, say, world history, it should not matter whether they are actually a Jew.

I'm not sure, though, how you would "emphasize Judaism" while teaching business or mathematics or information technology.

And does the janitor need to be Jewish? And the receptionist? And the financial aid coordinator?

(incidentally, if you were to open a university in the US and hire only Jews, you would end up hiring very, very few non-whites, and you'd end up discriminating based on race whether you had intended to or not)

Not really.

Yes, I totally understand that things other than qualifications come into play in the hiring process. It is very unfortunate. Many schools have policies attempting to combat these things, but it is an uphill battle, in practice. That said, at every R1 I can think of, if someone was told they were not hired because of their religion, they would run screaming to the EEOC.

Honestly, this campus clearly wouldn't have been a good fit for me, and it's good that I found that out early on. I just can't, for the life of me, figure out what my belief system has to do with my ability to adjunct lecture in an undergraduate math class.

(Thanks for the info about HBCUs. I find it very surprising.)

In your opinion.

I wouldn't speak for you; I would request that you not do so for me.

Your anecdote is somewhat irrelevant the the discussion as statistically*, 90% of professed Christians don't live any differently than "the rest of the world". The extremists are the rare exception, not the rule. Probably even most the 10% in the study I read aren't this extreme.

*Study I am referring to measured things like divorce rates, pre-marital sex, porn, cheating, crimes, etc. among self-identified Christians vs. Non-Christian.

It would not be so overt. If these things were so overt then EEOC claims would not be so difficult.

You were told (I assume told?) about religion because of the nature of the institution. There were other reasons beyond religion but religion was the defining factor. Just as R1s have other reasons beyond research but research is the defining factor.


They knew that. :)

Adjuncts and visiting instructors are only hired on a need basis. If we don't need them or do not see a good fit, they don't get hired. And they can be quickly non-renewed if necessary. If fulltime faculty have to meet certain formal and informal criteria, please believe that adjuncts and visiting instructors are considered much more easily found and easily replaced. For instance, an adjunct who is nonChristian in that context may feel less of a responsibility to the institution and therefore may feel free to expouse certain viewpoints...even in an undergrad math class. It happens all of the time with adjuncts, VIs, and TAs. Contracted fulltime associate and assistant professors (including those who are tenure track for institutions with tenure) are more often than not expected to have more of a vested interest in the institution. It is easier to hold someone accountable when they have that fulltime contract and vested interest beyond doing parttime work for a paycheck.

I will speak for you. You just ridiculed something. If you respect something, do not ridicule it.

Sorry, I edited my post when I thought further about what you are saying.

I guess there is really no difference between a school saying "sorry, no Jews", and saying "we take everyone" and then throwing my application promptly in the trash behind closed doors.

Point taken.

I don't respect their right to make a bunch of Westboro Baptist Church leaders, and I think it is worth researching to make sure no federal funding, including loans and grants of any kind go to anybody who would attend a school that discriminates based on religious fervor. Yes, they have the right to do it, but if they are getting ANY money from me, I want it stopped, and right now. I would not be concerned about this with single sex institutions or the HBCUs because their goals are different, and IMHO, valid. But unfortunately, if it was all or nothing, I'd have to go with nothing. The all-women and HBCU schools can find the funding somewhere, just as the deeply conservative Christian schools can.

Of course the students going there get federal loans and grants.

But I want to reiterate what I said upthread: NOT all evangelical Christian institutions discriminate in hiring. I had a bad experience with one, certainly, but the other I spoke with offered me an in-person interview after I told them I was Jewish.

I edited my post when I saw your edit. :) Check it out.

As noted above, can we please stop confusing the extremists as having normal behavior for a sub-set of people?

Also, I feel that a student should have a choice in their education without being punished via less funding for choosing a spesific type of accredited university.

Not if it's a question of church versus state they don't.

Really? Wow.

The substantive difference is.....?

To see whether you are a "good Jew" or a "bad Jew." Joking. You got to the second stage of interviews. That's kickass. :)

You do realize that there is no actual constitutional separation of church and state, right?

Millsaps and Westminster were popular choices at my high school. They're not bad places if you're looking for a small school with lots of individualized attention. A lot of students went there because they got full rides that they wouldn't have received otherwise.

Yes, there is an actual separation. In the interpretation of the Constitution. Which is, whether you like or not, the law. :rolleyes:

laughs at you just like the audience laughed at her @2:58 and @7:20

if you have trouble understanding, listen to other candidate explain

http://troll.me/images/obama-laughin...a-laughing.jpg

Then you agree with AlphaFrog. Save your laughter for another time.

ETA: And read some of the comments on that youtube clip while you're at it.