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Elephant Walk 08-06-2011 02:26 AM

Looks like we have a few black supremecists on our hands
 
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html

"It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.

"I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn't do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody's windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it."

"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."

TPA85 08-06-2011 02:47 AM

Wow...

I have no words.. :-(

Senusret I 08-06-2011 09:19 AM

EW, were you hurt badly?

DrPhil 08-06-2011 09:41 AM

There are more than a few Black supremacists in the world. Welcome to what began in the 1930s and has taken violent forms quite a few times (the relatively rare occasions where Black supremacists feel they have the resources and the power to do something) in the world's history.

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2076734)
EW, were you hurt badly?

The fact that EW (Mr. Day Late Dollar Short) started this thread is very funny.

DrPhil 08-06-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Article EW Posted
"There were even some young black girls. They were screaming. They were running across the road. This one girl was like, 'I don't know how I'm going to get out of here. I'm all by myself.' My wife heard her saying that. She said, 'Walk with us. Stay with us and you'll be OK.' We told her we were going down the street. If she needed any assistance, we were just going down to our car. She needed to go quite a way."

I guess these Black girls didn't get the memo that Black people were safe. I assume Black people were safe. I guess we'll never know if this was primarily racial violence.

Some of those dumbass youth were handled and proper measures will be taken:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...cc4c03286.html

SWTXBelle 08-06-2011 11:32 AM

Black supremacists? I don't know.

Violent criminals with an apparent racial bias? Yep.

AOEforme 08-06-2011 11:42 AM

This was COMPLETELY taken out of context, but that's to be expected from TMJ4.

West Allis is an area in which this type of behavior is honestly the norm from teenagers of any race.

In addition, the reason this entire riot started was a clash between two groups protesting/supporting Scott Walker at the fair.

It obviously escalated far beyond that. I just wish one station would at least mention that.

AOII Angel 08-06-2011 11:45 AM

LOL at the witness accounts. I was waiting to read all about the gunfire after the first guy said it was just like Iraq. Then he says 400-800 black kids are beating people when everyone else says more like 100. Hyperbole much?

Elephant Walk 08-06-2011 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2076784)
LOL at the witness accounts. I was waiting to read all about the gunfire after the first guy said it was just like Iraq. Then he says 400-800 black kids are beating people when everyone else says more like 100. Hyperbole much?

Says the "hyperbolizer".

If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car.

But it's definitely their socio-economic status, long history of oppression that causes them to do this. The same thing definitely happens in West Virginia.

AOII Angel 08-06-2011 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076869)
Says the "hyperbolizer".

If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car.

But it's definitely their socio-economic status, long history of oppression that causes them to do this. The same thing definitely happens in West Virginia.

You didnt have to give yourself a new nickname for trying to oversell a riot. Supremacy?

Read your article again and find the other quote that references the number "a hundred" for the estimate of rioters. I will admit I oversold what the original guy said, but that was from poor memory after closing the article. Go ahead and slap my hand. He said 300 or 400 people were there. Still far short of a war torn zone, especially considering this other quote:

"I have not seen anything like this in my life.* It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes." Two minutes of Iraq. What a slap in the face.

Elephant Walk 08-06-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2076932)
You didnt have to give yourself a new nickname for trying to oversell a riot. Supremacy?

A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?

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Read your article again and find the other quote that references the number "a hundred" for the estimate of rioters. I will admit I oversold what the original guy said, but that was from poor memory after closing the article. Go ahead and slap my hand. He said 300 or 400 people were there. Still far
short of a war torn zone, especially considering this other quote:
You missed the point.

You said:
"everyone else says more like 100"

I said:
"If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car."

But I guess you committed to hyperbole twice. One person is not "everyone else".

Munchkin03 08-06-2011 07:49 PM

It sounds like these kids were a bunch of thugs, and no one was safe--regardless of race. I'm not sure if they were black "supremecists," but I don't think they were black "supremacists."

AOII Angel 08-06-2011 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076934)
A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?


You missed the point.

You said:
"everyone else says more like 100"

I said:
"If I read correctly, one person says 50-100 and that was inside the fair. He was outside the fair in his car."


But I guess you committed to hyperbole twice. One person is not "everyone else".

And I said go back and read the article...everyone else did say that. (including someone outside the fair.) It's not hyperbole to quote the article. It is to turn a riot into a race war.

LOL at the appeared to be attempted murder and comparing this to a lynching. So is it Iraq or a lynching. Riots can be scary. Attempted murder is a legal term. Assault may be a little more befitting. Let the DA do the grandstanding.

Elephant Walk 08-06-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2076941)
And I said go back and read the article...everyone else did say that. (including someone outside the fair.) It's not hyperbole to quote the article. It is to turn a riot into a race war.

No on else said that. Quote the article for me. Where exactly does it give a number other than one inside the fair and the veteran?

AOII Angel 08-06-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076943)
No on else said that. Quote the article for me. Where exactly does it give a number other than one inside the fair and the veteran?

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One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night.

"The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman.

"I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents."

She described what she saw as she left the fair.

"As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south," she said.
Hooked on phonics worked for me! Notice she said over a hundred and not over 300 or 400.

MysticCat 08-06-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076934)
A mob lynching of a black man (which this appeared, at least according to eyewitnesses, to be attempted murder several times) would certainly be connotated as white supremecists, whether or not it was true. Do you think that Emmett Till's attackers motives were exaggerated?

No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.

Instead of trying (and failing) to make these political points, why don't you stick to refusing to affiliate with shanes and telling all kinds of other inconsistent stories about your fraternity membership. At least that's entertaining.

agzg 08-06-2011 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2076970)
No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.

Instead of trying (and failing) to make these political points, why don't you stick to refusing to affiliate with shanes and telling all kinds of other inconsistent stories about your fraternity membership. At least that's entertaining.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/2...b25decaddf.jpg

Elephant Walk 08-06-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2076970)
No, because the lynching of Emmet Till was in fact motivated by white supremacy. But not all lynchings are racially motivated, which is irrelevant anyway, as there wasn't any lynching going on in this story.

There wasn't any lynchings because it was stopped. Attempted murder is still attempting murder. Would it have been any less acceptable if the lynchers had nearly killed Emmett, but didn't? That's what happened here.

This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.

Drolefille 08-06-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076992)
There wasn't any lynchings because it was stopped. Attempted murder is still attempting murder. Would it have been any less acceptable if the lynchers had nearly killed Emmett, but didn't? That's what happened here.

This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.

Perp.

Keep playing the victim. No1curr

MysticCat 08-06-2011 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076992)
This was a mass attempted lynching. It seems fairly evident from the story and from other eye-witness testimony from other sources that it was indeed racially based.

Who's being hyperbolic now? (As if "black supremacists" wasn't hyperbolic enough.)

Lynching is more than mob violence and more than murder. Lynching is not necessarily racially-based (though certainly in this country, most lynchings have been racially-based, being used by whites to try to "control" minority groups). From the Encyclopedia Britannica: "lynching, a form of violence in which a mob, under the pretext of administering justice without trial, executes a presumed offender, often after inflicting torture and corporal mutilation."

So unless you can point out to me where the perpetrators of this alleged "mass attempted lynching" could be said to be attempting to administer their own justice to those they believed to be guilty of something, then no -- there's nothing "fairly evident" about it at all.

AOEforme 08-07-2011 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2076992)
This was a mass attempted lynching.

No. No. NO. No and No. That was NOT what this was. It was a RIOT, not a mass race-motivated attempted lynching.

There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race. In fact, the white people started the whole damn thing.

No one was attempting to lynch anyone.

Honestly.

DrPhil 08-07-2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AOEforme (Post 2077062)
No. No. NO. No and No. That was NOT what this was. It was a RIOT, not a mass race-motivated attempted lynching.

There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race. In fact, the white people started the whole damn thing.

No one was attempting to lynch anyone.

Honestly.

Stop ruining EW's hopes and dreams.

Drolefille 08-07-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2077067)
Stop ruining EW's hopes and dreams.

http://i.imgur.com/1XyQH.jpg

Elephant Walk 08-08-2011 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AOEforme (Post 2077062)
There were white people involved in the rioting too. As were there people of every race.

Proof?

AOEforme 08-08-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2077218)
Proof?

I'm sorry: I didn't think to take photos while I was there.

Here's as much as I do have. WISN reported this (http://www.wisn.com/r/28769947/detail.html), which got out of hand with the arrival of pro-Walker supports and contributed to what happened.

I'm not saying those kids were completely justified in what they were doing. I'm saying that it wasn't black supremacists attempting to lynch all the white folks.

This is probably not enough proof for you, but I feel like I'm qualified to comment, seeing as I was actually present when this took place.

Ghostwriter 08-08-2011 04:04 PM

I have been wondering what caused the riot? We/I haven't heard down here in the south.

BTW - there are white, black, asian, indian, and hell, probably even green supremacists somewhere in our cosmos. I think this was more opportunism because I seriously doubt all 50 to over 100 of the rioters even knew why they were beating the crap out of white people. But I may be completely wrong.

AOII Angel 08-08-2011 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2077356)
I have been wondering what caused the riot? We/I haven't heard down here in the south.

BTW - there are white, black, asian, indian, and hell, probably even green supremacists somewhere in our cosmos. I think this was more opportunism because I seriously doubt all 50 to over 100 of the rioters even knew why they were beating the crap out of white people. But I may be completely wrong.

Usually the case in riots.

AOEforme 08-08-2011 06:19 PM

The start of the animosity was due to the protests against/for Governor Walker. It escalated hugely from there but no one is really sure how or why....

ThetaDancer 08-09-2011 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AOEforme (Post 2076780)
This was COMPLETELY taken out of context, but that's to be expected from TMJ4.

Truth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2077356)
I have been wondering what caused the riot? We/I haven't heard down here in the south.

I don't think anyone really knows, as far as I understand.

AOEforme 08-09-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaDancer (Post 2077816)
Truth.

They are my least favorite station. Also, I always end up wondering if John Malan wears a toupée.


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