Little White Lies?
 

If you made a .8 GPA last year I would not be rushing as a sophomore. You need to focus on school before you add anything else to your plate.

FYI, just because your SCHOOL doesn't list a GPA requirement, doesn't mean there isn't one.

Each chapter has a minimum of their own that PNMs have to have in order to get a bid.

With a .8 you are probs not getting a bid. The lowest min is probably a 2.5.

No you can't lie about your grades. They look it up.

No they're not going to make an exception for you.

No, there's no secret loophole.

No, I'm not like "omg so meannnnnn."

I covered all of your possible responses to this.

You need to get a bid to the library and pledge studying.

Good luck.

I don't presume to know every college's regulations, but wouldn't you be on some sort of probation as a transfer with a 0.8 GPA?

LOL, I was about to say KSUVioletITY? I guess you changed your font color to make sure no one confused you with the OP.

I'm actually posting from my BB and it's too hard to be pink on it because I have to type the code in for it. I'm lazy lol.

Be truthful...your socking and trying to entertain us! JJ

LOL. I wouldn't be caught dead in Comic Sans.

Every time someone types in Comic Sans, my soul dies.

Just a quick question: (and I'm not being snarky) What school, other than a cc would admit a student with a D minus average? I believe in second chances..but this isn't computing.

And while you obviously should be concentrating on school work first your AGE might make you a sophomore. Perhaps your school is different, but an .08 gpa would indicate that you received an F or two. I don't think that you get credit for failed classes. So, I would think that you still would be a freshman.

I was thinking the same.

I smell troll.

However, with the benefit of doubt, yeah, a sorority should be the least of your worries if you got a 0.8. Work on that GPA.

One of the things Greek Life organizations tend to value is academics. Focus on getting a solid footing in college and ensuring your ability to graduate before worrying about the other stuff.

bingo!

The actual question was about lying about having pledged a sorority previously. I wouldn't bother lying about that because they wouldn't necessarily hold it against you. That's why there is a difference between pledging and initiating.

But changing the subject to college admissions, would you be able to disregard a semester of school if you wanted to? Usually people would want to get credit for every possible class taken, but in this case, maybe it's better to just call it a life lesson learned and start over. Would anyone let her? COULD they?

Some schools will let you do that and some won't. If I were her, I'd just start over too.

A general comment on lying to a sorority or in life: Are you so stupid as to think a group of fairly sophisticated young women, who's "job" it is (at the moment) to perpetuate a group or business that they believe in won't check you out?

Of course they read your application and your recs because it is important to the sisters that their chapter remain strong.

As I mentioned in my daughter's recruitment thread my daughter knew a girl going through a second time. The girl was very vocal and proud that she had received a bid to Top Tier House, but turned them down. (This would presuppose that she had two houses at Pref, both excellent choices.) No......the girl was dropped by every house asap.

....and how (and why) would you become a sister to girls you lie to get accepted? You will always be on guard.

well it isn't that large of a university, so i got accepted in on academic probation or something of the sort. meaning i pretty much just have to do better. and its not a matter of me needing to focus on grades. i had a 3.8 in high school and did outstanding in other aspects of acdemics. i just didnt focus much last year.

OP, it's not worth trying to go through recruitment with a .8 GPA. Even if your campus admits transfer students with GPAs that low and Greek life lets you go through, I'd be amazed if any groups' national or international policies will allow them to offer you a bid.

It's even questionable whether a .8 can be pulled up high enough to make even COB or recruitment next year a possibility.Even if you make a 4.0 for the year, your average (assuming you have a year's worth of credits contributing to the .8) will still probably be under what many groups require and further still under what's likely to be the average at your campus.

I'm sorry that you are in this situation, and I'd like to be able to give you better news. But unless you are at a campus that gives a lot of bids to juniors with middling grades, it's hard to see this working out for you.

Now would be a great time for the "WE GOT LETTERS...YOU GOT DREAMS" statement.

We get bored, too.

If you're only going to be a sophomore, it won't be too difficult to raise your cumulative GPA if you do really well this year. I would recommend kicking it into high gear, finding out the GPA requirement for recruitment and look into informal in the spring (if chapters on your campus participate) or just holding off until next year.

But a .8 is so low. She'd need a year of 4.0 to even get in the range that some chapters could offer her a bid at which point she'll be rushing as a third year with like a 2.4.

Obviously, pulling up her grades is the #1 thing no matter what. And the Greek Life office will know more than we do.

ooopsies...QFP.

There are online GPA calculators that anyone can use to calculate how many units of what grade (A, for example) would be required to improve an overall GPA. We've posted them before on GC. It's actually quite difficult to overcome a deficit GPA the size of the one the OP purports to have.

But she probably isn't a sophomore; just a second year college student. With that gpa she has to have failed a class or two, which of course don't count toward her standing.

I still don't think this is feasible, but being a 2nd semester sophomore (or less - we don't know how many hours contributed to that gpa) next fall at a less academically competitive school, with a dramatic improvement in grades, who knows? But we all know she's not rushing this fall.

A .8? What quality academic institution would accept someone with such a crappy transcript? I didn't know DeVry had Greek life...

+1 for the remix! Love it!

Oh Anchor, just wait. The real mayhem starts in 2 weeks! Then we can look forward to several "brutally honest" failed recruitment stories.

Provided this is real...I have to ask: Since when did lying about your GPA become a "little white lie" that you think no one will check? I'd be more concerned that the chapters found out about your abysmal GPA and not whether you went through recruitment at the first school.

Though, if they find out you went through recruitment at the first school and you start over at the new school with a clean slate (GPA and all) they will realize that you must not have transferred any of your grades-most likely to them being bad. I'd see you as a grade risk and unless you are Miley Cyrus or you're the kid of some famous actor/ President---Nope!

IF you go through recruitment, I would not mention that you went through at your old school. Don't even bring it up. It will probably only hurt you and you didn't initiate so it doesn't really matter.

Now, onto your GPA. I would be surprised if you are even allowed to register for recruitment with a .8. Even if you do, I can say with almost absolute certainty that you will not receive a bid. You just won't, I'm sorry, your GPA is too low.

Now, in terms of your new school, how many credits do you have? How many credits constitutes a sophomore standing and how many credits is the average class?

Well done, haha

The 0.8 from the other school won't be calculated into her new school's GPA. Her GPA starts over if she transferred. Which makes me wonder, which school would take someone with a 0.8 GPA (which I am guessing is from two semesters if that is your final GPA?).

ETA that I know that this doesn't change the fact that the most recent GPA is what will be looked at for recruitment.

I could see this being an issue as a transfer student. But do (all/any/some/most) college applications require information regarding previous college courses if she is “starting over” as an incoming freshman?

Say someone who takes college courses as a senior in high school at "College Number I" yet attends "College Number II". My understanding is that if she doesn't transfer those credits, they will not count for her or against her.

Why wouldn't this - in theory - be the same if she is "starting over" as an incoming freshman?

If she applies as an incoming freshman at “College Number II”, is she required to note that she attended “College Number I”? If not, then wouldn’t the College Panhellenic simply use her high school GPA since in theory, the high school GPA is what “College Number II” used to grant her admission as an incoming freshman.

In theory, I guess a student could list a year as a "gap" year. I imagine the high school transcript might list where the student was intending to go to college...but "didn't".

HOWEVER, the first university had to have been listed with the transcript...or somewhere in the current transcript (or not). But I think...and rethink...and rethink but I come up with the obvious, "Oh what a tangled web...."

How do you even get a 0.8 GPA?

1 C, 1 D, and 2 Fs..round it up and you get .8 for a semester.

While schools might start you over with a GPA just on your average at that college, I'm pretty sure some colleges retain a separate average that includes your average for all credits earned and maybe even credits attempted. Sure, policies change, but I don't think her .8 will completely go away.

(A long time ago, I transferred after my freshman year, and I'm pretty sure that the average used for recruitment included both my freshman and sophomore grades. On my transcript, I think there was a separate UGA only average, but I doubt it was what the groups looked at. Sure, things change over the years, but I don't think that most schools are going to ignore all grades earns in classes that they are giving you credit for towards graduation. )

I have a hard time imagining this part too. On the upside, since such a student wouldn't be getting credit at the new school for F's and maybe even for some Ds, her cumulative average at the new place might even up being a little higher than if she stayed at the old place.

I guess it could have gone down like that, but that's not what the OP describes. She says she is a transfer student with a .8, rather than someone who started over at a new school.

Even if a student did try to start over and not transfer credits, depending on the school, if she enrolled at a school that used hometown recs, someone would probably reveal the misspent year. And I think most groups would take a hard look at someone who failed to focus at the level that she earned a .8.

Lying about your grades (to your college or to the sororities on your campus) is not a good way to "make a fresh start." You'll just spend the rest of your life trying to keep up with your lies. Instead, the best advice I think I can offer is to humbly own your past mistakes, learn from them, and understand the behaviors that led to them in order to make better choices going forward.