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ghettobacon 05-01-2011 11:15 PM

Bringing more sororities to Rutgers
 
At Rutgers University there are only 7 social sororities but over 20 social fraternities. There are SO many students here at RU, and those 7 sororities all have a lot of members. Some didn't even have a pledge class because they were too big! How do we expand the number of sororities on campus here? It'd be great if anybody could help.

Thanks!

KSUViolet06 05-01-2011 11:21 PM

Is Rutgers open for expansion at this time? In order for a new NPC sorority to be added, your school must vote to open for expansion.

knight_shadow 05-01-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052383)
At Rutgers University there are only 7 social sororities but over 20 social fraternities. There are SO many students here at RU, and those 7 sororities all have a lot of members. Some didn't even have a pledge class because they were too big! How do we expand the number of sororities on campus here? It'd be great if anybody could help.

Thanks!

Swerving/

@ the bold -- Does this even happen? Isn't quota determined by the number of students going through recruitment (not the size of the sororities)? I haven't read about sororities not taking pledge classes since I've been on GC.

/swerving

Drolefille 05-01-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052383)
At Rutgers University there are only 7 social sororities but over 20 social fraternities. There are SO many students here at RU, and those 7 sororities all have a lot of members. Some didn't even have a pledge class because they were too big! How do we expand the number of sororities on campus here? It'd be great if anybody could help.

Thanks!

You mean an informal COB/spring pledge class? That's not unusual.

Are you a sorority member?

Drolefille 05-01-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2052390)
Swerving/

@ the bold -- Does this even happen? Isn't quota determined by the number of students going through recruitment (not the size of the sororities)? I haven't read about sororities not taking pledge classes since I've been on GC.

/swerving

Guessing it's informal/COB/etc.

DrPhil 05-01-2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052383)
At Rutgers University there are only 7 social sororities but over 20 social fraternities.

I thought there are way over 7 social sororities with active chapters at Rutgers University.

Is the OP only asking about NPC sororities?

knight_shadow 05-01-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2052392)
Guessing it's informal/COB/etc.

Makes sense. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2052396)
Is the OP only asking about NPC sororities?

Probably

ETA: Yea, Rutgers has 58 GLOs. I doubt the OP couldn't find what she was looking for in one of the 18 sororities.

Drolefille 05-01-2011 11:33 PM

And yeah, OP is narrowly looking at NPC sororities here. My guess is "I want to join but the one I wanted didn't have COB and I didn't rush/got cut and I want to be in one but it'd just be easier to start one."

/lays a dollar on the table.

DrPhil 05-01-2011 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2052404)
Probably

ETA: Yea, Rutgers has 58 GLOs. I doubt the OP couldn't find what she was looking for in one of the 18 sororities.

Geesh, I don't like it when people say there are only x number of sororities when the person really means that there are only x number of a particular council or conference of sororities.

ghettobacon 05-01-2011 11:36 PM

You all need to stop jumping to conclusions.

I am a member of a fraternity here. So I am a guy.

Also http://getinvolved.rutgers.edu/frate...ities/chapters
What I meant by 7 sororities, I meant 7 social sororities that are not limited to a specific group. So I am NOT including a group like "Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority" because they are a Latin Sorority.

So yes NPC sororities...

now please enough of the criticizing?

Drolefille 05-01-2011 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
You all need to stop jumping to conclusions.

I am a member of a fraternity here. So I am a guy.

Also http://getinvolved.rutgers.edu/frate...ities/chapters
What I meant by 7 sororities, I meant 7 social sororities that are not limited to a specific group. So I am NOT including a group like "Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority" because they are a Latin Sorority.

So yes NPC sororities...

now please enough of the criticizing?

Oh dear, limited to a specific group? Really?

Anyway, it's an NPC process, panhellenic on your campus takes care of it. If you want more NPCs then that's how it happens.

Stop worrying about their new member classes.

DrPhil 05-01-2011 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
You all need to stop jumping to conclusions.

I am a member of a fraternity here. So I am a guy.

Chill.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
Also http://getinvolved.rutgers.edu/frate...ities/chapters
What I meant by 7 sororities, I meant 7 social sororities that are not limited to a specific group. So I am NOT including a group like "Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority" because they are a Latin Sorority.

So yes NPC sororities...

Ohhhhh...LOL...forreal?!

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
now please enough of the criticizing?

Or you could go back to the Greek Life Office at Rutgers instead of coming to Greekchat. Good luck.

KSUViolet06 05-01-2011 11:40 PM


Your school needs to be open for sorority expansion in order for another sorority to colonize.

In order for that to happen, the school's Greek Life Office and Panhellenic community needs to see a need for another chapter, decide that the level of sorority interest there culd support another chapter, and vote to open for expansion.

In short, this is something that can't happen without the proper approval. It's not just going to happen because a fraternity thinks there should be another sorority.

knight_shadow 05-01-2011 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
You all need to stop jumping to conclusions.

I am a member of a fraternity here. So I am a guy.

Also http://getinvolved.rutgers.edu/frate...ities/chapters
What I meant by 7 sororities, I meant 7 social sororities that are not limited to a specific group. So I am NOT including a group like "Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority" because they are a Latin Sorority.

So yes NPC sororities...

now please enough of the criticizing?

Why are you worried about what the sororities are doing?

And if you are Greek, why don't you ask the women you know?

FYI -- Lambda Theta Alpha is a social sorority, so if you meant NPC sorority, you should have said that.

It's too late for this fuckery *yawn*

DrPhil 05-01-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2052421)
Oh dear, limited to a specific group? Really?

Same shit, different toilet. "Greek Life" and "sorority" and "fraternity" are synonymous with NPC and IFC.

ghettobacon 05-01-2011 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 2052424)

Your school needs to be open for sorority expansion in order for another sorority to colonize.

In order for that to happen, the school's Greek Life Office and Panhellenic community needs to see a need for another chapter, decide that the level of sorority interest there culd support another chapter, and vote to open for expansion.

In short, this is something that can't happen without the proper approval. It's not just going to happen because a fraternity thinks there should be another sorority.

Thank you for giving me some useful information, I truly appreciate it!

DrPhil 05-01-2011 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052432)
Thank you for giving me some useful information, I truly appreciate it!

And while you're at it, be sure to tell your fellow Rutgers Greeks that there are only 7 sororities at Rutgers. Greek Unity and all.

BrandNewAdvisor 05-01-2011 11:49 PM

Didn't Rutgers just add Phi Sigma Sigma? Would a school be open for expansion again that quickly?

KSUViolet06 05-01-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandNewAdvisor (Post 2052441)
Didn't Rutgers just add Phi Sigma Sigma? Would a school be open for expansion again that quickly?

Not usually. There are some situations where a school will choose 2 sororities and have one colonize one year and one the next. However, I believe Rutgers only added one (Phi Sigma Sigma.) I doubt they'll be opening again for a few years.

ghettobacon 05-01-2011 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2052438)
And while you're at it, be sure to tell your fellow Rutgers Greeks that there are only 7 sororities at Rutgers. Greek Unity and all.

Get off your high horse, I made a mistake. Happy sorry to disrespect any other organization. Now get over it

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Originally Posted by BrandNewAdvisor (Post 2052441)
Didn't Rutgers just add Phi Sigma Sigma? Would a school be open for expansion again that quickly?

I think they would be, especially since Phi Sigma Sigma took over the Sig Ep House last year and Sig ep's have kind of died off ever since. It seems to be that fraternities around here can not survive too well without a house. I mean technically they are still around, their numbers are very low. There are many more factors to this but in the end my main point is greek life is slowly dieing here at Rutgers and what better way to revitalize it than to bring a NPC organization. Those are the ones that typically get publicized the most, and catch the interest of non greeks to join greek life.

DrPhil 05-02-2011 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052456)
Get off your high horse, I made a mistake. Happy sorry to disrespect any other organization. Now get over it

You finally admitted that you made a mistake. Congratulations. Now fuck off.

KSUViolet06 05-02-2011 12:01 AM

^^^^New colonies don't get people interested in Greek Life.

Drolefille 05-02-2011 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052456)
Get off your high horse, I made a mistake. Happy sorry to disrespect any other organization. Now get over it

Or you could just have admitted your mistake without copping an attitude.
But that's cool, tell the person who pointed out your mistake they're handling it wrong. You showed them! Darn angry "specific groups" always demanding to be recognized.

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I think they would be, especially since Phi Sigma Sigma took over the Sig Ep House last year and Sig ep's have kind of died off ever since. It seems to be that fraternities around here can not survive too well without a house. I mean technically they are still around, their numbers are very low. There are many more factors to this but in the end my main point is greek life is slowly dieing here at Rutgers and what better way to revitalize it than to bring a NPC organization. Those are the ones that typically get publicized the most, and catch the interest of non greeks to join greek life.
That is not how NPC expansion works.

ghettobacon 05-02-2011 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2052463)
That is not how NPC expansion works.

Please explain

KSUViolet06 05-02-2011 12:13 AM

School officials don't say "oh hey, fraternity numbers are declining. Let's add a new sorority!"

And really, Rutgers JUST added Phi Sigma Sigma. Sorority life is not on the decline there. School officials likely don't see a NEED for a new group at this point.

DrPhil 05-02-2011 12:19 AM

Perhaps the Greek Life Office could have explained this to the OP.

victoriana 05-02-2011 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2052425)
fuckery

YES. i'm gonna use this.

voLTAgeDEuce 05-02-2011 12:47 AM

Get It Right
 
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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052415)
I am NOT including a group like "Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority" because they are a Latin Sorority.

Why Not?!
LTA is the Only Way!!
Just to clear something up, Lambda Theta Alpha Latin Sorority, Incorporated is Latin by Tradition, Not by Definition. We believe in empowering the Universal Woman no matter her race, creed, orientation, etc. We are an Academic Sorority and we do hold social, cultural, charitable, and educational events. Our Epsilon chapter at Rutgers was founded in 1987 and still goes hard!!


To Be An LTA You Have To BREAK YOUR BACK!!

33girl 05-02-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052456)
I think they would be, especially since Phi Sigma Sigma took over the Sig Ep House last year and Sig ep's have kind of died off ever since. It seems to be that fraternities around here can not survive too well without a house. I mean technically they are still around, their numbers are very low. There are many more factors to this but in the end my main point is greek life is slowly dieing here at Rutgers and what better way to revitalize it than to bring a NPC organization. Those are the ones that typically get publicized the most, and catch the interest of non greeks to join greek life.

OK, not counting the NALFO/NPHC groups, there are 26 fraternities. If some of those are very low in members, then having 7 sororities is probably just right.

Sororities use quota and total to (try to) make them all the same size. Fraternities don't do that however. You can have one with 100 members and one with 15 members on the same campus, and they can both be perfectly healthy.

What campuses strive for is parity of number of members between IFC & NPC...in other words, you want to try and have (example) 300 fraternity members and 300 sorority members. Typically the way those numbers are distributed is going to lean toward fewer sororities than fraternities.

It sounds more like the fraternities need to get their shit together and stop playing musical houses. This happened at my campus and it just made things a mess. Also, sororities do not want to colonize on a campus where the fraternities are unhealthy.

Titchou 05-02-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ghettobacon (Post 2052465)
Please explain

The college Panhellenic Council follows the procedures outlined in the NPC Manual of Information, commonly known as the Green Book. They do some research on recruitment numbers and membership numbers and then talk with their NPC Area Adviser and the individual NPC groups' NPC Delegate and other national officers. Then they vote on whether or not to expand. Once the vote has been approved, the college PH notifies NPC that the campus is open for expansion. NPC advises the groups not currently on that campus that it is open for expansion. THose groups then decide if they want to send an information packet to the college. Once the deadline for packets has passed, the college PH picks the groups they want to invite to present. After all the presentations are done the college PH votes which one to extend a bid to.

As you can see, it's a very complicated and proscribed process. One doesn't just add a group. You might talk with the Greek Adviser and ask if they are looking into expansion and why/why not for an answer specific to your campus.

als463 05-02-2011 04:22 PM

I don't think we should jump on this poor guy because he asked a question. Ghettobacon, it really is a matter of being voted on by Panhellenic. DrPhil, you raise a good point that sorority should not be the same as "NPC" but, sadly-that's how some people look at it. We (Greeks in general) need to change that kind of thinking. We need more unity-building types of activities.

Ghettobacon, you should consider talking to any of your friends in Panhellenic. I can understand why a guy in a fraternity (which I assume falls under the IFC on his campus) would want more sororities for social functions. That makes sense. Hopefully, if sororities are bursting at the seams at Rutgers, there can be an expansion. Talk to some of your friends about the possibility but, there is really nothing YOU or I can do about it. It has to be voted on to even consider allowing other NPC sororities on campus. I hope that helps!

DrPhil 05-02-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2052760)
I don't think we should jump on this poor guy because he asked a question.

People are responding to him. He could've taken this question straight to Greek Life and not had to worry about GC responses at all.

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2052760)
DrPhil, you raise a good point that sorority should not be the same as "NPC" but, sadly-that's how some people look at it. We (Greeks in general) need to change that kind of thinking. We need more unity-building types of activities.

Uh huh. In the meantime, for the next 100 years of my life, I will respond as I have for the past 16 years of my life.

als463 05-02-2011 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2052834)
People are responding to him. He could've taken this question straight to Greek Life and not had to worry about GC responses at all.



Uh huh. In the meantime, for the next 100 years of my life, I will respond as I have for the past 16 years of my life.


I agree that he could have taken it to Greek life but, I think we may have all been a little bit too harsh to this guy. As far as living for the next 100 years (when you figure out how to do that-let me know, lol), I agree that you should respond with that belief we need to respect the other councils. I wish more people thought like you, on this matter. Hopefully someday more people will start recognizing that Greek life encompasses more than just the NPC and IFC. I sincerely hope it happens.

knight_shadow 05-02-2011 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 2052867)
I agree that he could have taken it to Greek life but, I think we may have all been a little bit too harsh to this guy.

Meh, no one was being harsh until he started acting like a dick. All we did was try to figure out the situation at his school.

katydidKD 05-02-2011 11:18 PM

Nah, gotta be hard on people when they dont use gc as an absolute last resort to getting their question answered and don't use the most politically correct way of phrasing their quesiton.

knight_shadow 05-02-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by katydidKD (Post 2052931)
Shit dumb people say

Shut up.

katydidKD 05-02-2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2052933)
Shut up.

No. Gotta set things straight. People asking questions on the internet.....RIDICULOUS!

knight_shadow 05-02-2011 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by katydidKD (Post 2052935)
No. Gotta set things straight. People asking questions on the internet.....RIDICULOUS!

Grown ass men and women talking to strangers instead of their supposed brothers and sisters....HOGWASH!

katydidKD 05-02-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2052936)
Grown ass men and women talking to strangers instead of their supposed brothers and sisters....HOGWASH!

Totally! :)

DrPhil 05-02-2011 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by katydumb (Post 2052931)
Nah, gotta be hard on the Internet Generation when they need to learn how to use other sources of information and accurately word their posts. It helps to shape their interactions once they log off of GC. Save the children.

Quick learning newbie is quick learning.


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