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exlurker 03-15-2011 05:29 PM

Sad News: Passing of a UF (FL) Delta Delta Delta Member
 
Sympathy to her family, Delta Delta Delta sisters, and friends; see

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publics...-condo/1157270

SigKapSweetie 03-15-2011 05:54 PM

Very sad. My condolences to her family and to Tri Delta at UF. I did my undergrad at UF and knew many of her sisters; they are a wonderful bunch of women.

carnation 03-15-2011 06:17 PM

Oh dear. This is one of our nieces' pledge sisters. :(

FSUZeta 03-15-2011 09:06 PM

how terrible. prayers for her family, her tri delta sisters and her many friends.

OleMissGlitter 03-15-2011 10:00 PM

so sad. such a beautiful young lady too. my prayers are with her family, friends, and sorority sisters.

33girl 03-15-2011 11:50 PM

This is very sad. Irritating that the writer of the article thought it was a "teachable moment." :mad: Publish the facts, leave out the commentary.

southbymidwest 03-16-2011 01:14 AM

How very crushing for her family and friends. My heart goes out to them. As the mother of two very social daughters and their friends that I adore, this is the stuff that gives me nightmares.

honeychile 03-16-2011 01:33 PM

My sincere condelences to her family & sisters.

I was also turned off by the tone of the article's author.

GatorGirl27 03-17-2011 11:55 PM

This has been really sad for the entire Greek community at UF. Many of my sisters were close with Molly, and I have heard nothing but wonderful things about the type of young woman she was. It really is such a tragedy, and I can't imagine how hard this is for the Ammon family and the women in Tri Delta.

Sadly, that article is by far not the worst thing I've read regarding this unfortunate situation. It's really upsetting to me that such an awful tragedy is taken as an opportunity for people to pass judgment on the Greek system or to turn it into a public service announcement on the dangers of drinking. It's just inappropriate and unnecessary.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family, friends and sisters of Molly.

AOII Angel 03-18-2011 12:02 AM

I completely disagree with the comments about not making this a "teachable moment." Molly's death is a senseless tragedy. Why not educate others so that they don't make the same mistake? I especially like this article that includes a message from Molly's family that they hope other's learn from Molly's death.

Shelacious 03-18-2011 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2039233)
I completely disagree with the comments about not making this a "teachable moment." Molly's death is a senseless tragedy. Why not educate others so that they don't make the same mistake? I especially like this article that includes a message from Molly's family that they hope other's learn from Molly's death.

I agree, especially if it's the family leading the charge. If the family doesn't turn this into something that can benefit another person, they will feel their daughter's death will have no impact for someone else's life, and that would likely be devastating to them. They are trying to come to grips over a senseless tragedy, without anger or accusation. I commend them for it.

Low C Sharp 03-18-2011 11:01 AM

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turn it into a public service announcement on the dangers of drinking.
I'm 100% in support of this kind of public service announcement.

We shouldn't tolerate these needless, preventable deaths. Students with great promise are squandering their lives for no reason but ignorance. These articles are one way to fight that lethal ignorance.
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33girl 03-18-2011 12:19 PM

When people are grieving, they can hardly get up and face the day, let alone learn or listen to "public service announcements."

IF it comes out that drinking truly was why she passed away, and IF the family or the sorority wants to do some sort of alcohol awareness thing a few months down the line, have at it. But right now? No. It's tacky, unfeeling and tasteless. And I didn't see any "message" from the family in that latter article, just an aside by the writer (i.e. no quotes).

AOII Angel 03-18-2011 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2039319)
When people are grieving, they can hardly get up and face the day, let alone learn or listen to "public service announcements."

IF it comes out that drinking truly was why she passed away, and IF the family or the sorority wants to do some sort of alcohol awareness thing a few months down the line, have at it. But right now? No. It's tacky, unfeeling and tasteless. And I didn't see any "message" from the family in that latter article, just an aside by the writer (i.e. no quotes).

This isn't a public service announcement for her friends or family. Just writing an extra article about her is probably too much. This is about letting the thousands of teenagers who are going out and binge drinking every night know that there are ways that you can protect your friends who have had too much. You don't think there are Greeks at UF that could be helped by this story who aren't currently mourning her death? It's a big system. I bet that she didn't know everyone. Teens from her high school may be a good group to target as well for this message.

Also, you don't have to have a quote from a family member to indicate that the family is in support of a message. There have been many reports that have stated that her family was scared that something had happened because they knew that she had been drinking, and they thought she might have had too much. This sounds like a family that understood the risks but let their daughter have her own life. Now they just want others to know that those risks can be deadly. It doesn't take anything away from Molly Ammons. She sounds like an amazing woman. It's sad that she died such an avoidable death. Why is it that only her sorority can have an educational event about this if they want to? Her family certainly can authorize a focus on prevention. It's no different than family members of drowning victims going on a crusade to prevent children from drowning in swimming pools. Your judgement is being clouded by the sorority/alcohol involvement.

33girl 03-18-2011 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2039418)
Why is it that only her sorority can have an educational event about this if they want to? Her family certainly can authorize a focus on prevention. It's no different than family members of drowning victims going on a crusade to prevent children from drowning in swimming pools. Your judgement is being clouded by the sorority/alcohol involvement.

Whaaaaaaat? I didn't say that. I personally think it's too soon for anyone, sorority, family, school, you name it, to turn this woman's death into a crusade of any sort. It's unfeeling to the many people in her life who are all grieving in different ways.

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2039319)
IF it comes out that drinking truly was why she passed away, and IF the family or the sorority wants to do some sort of alcohol awareness thing a few months down the line, have at it. But right now? No. It's tacky, unfeeling and tasteless.


jennyj87 03-19-2011 11:03 AM

Her (Blood) sister is a Chi O at my school. So sad. Love to her family and the UF chapter <3

AOII Angel 03-19-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2039433)
Whaaaaaaat? I didn't say that. I personally think it's too soon for anyone, sorority, family, school, you name it, to turn this woman's death into a crusade of any sort. It's unfeeling to the many people in her life who are all grieving in different ways.

I stand corrected...I was scanning the post and just saw sorority. I disagree about timing. Not to mention, these are articles not obituaries. The journalists reporting about this can include anything they want in order to bring some sense of connection with the community or campus environment. You frequently see tie-ins on articles about murders/rape case discussing how people can make themselves more safe. I don't see how this event is any different. The article I highlighted actually doesn't preach the ills of binge drinking, it just discusses how to make sure your friends are safe if they over do it. No condemnation. Just prevention.

nittanygirl 03-19-2011 12:32 PM

My sincere condolences go out to her family, friends and sisters.

33girl 03-19-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2039592)
You frequently see tie-ins on articles about murders/rape case discussing how people can make themselves more safe.

The difference is - these articles were written before the toxicology report was even final. It's just being assumed that sorority girl, spring break, was at a party where alcohol was served = she drank too much and died because of it. Not cool. There are many other factors that could have conceivably contributed to her death.

AOII Angel 03-19-2011 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2039597)
The difference is - these articles were written before the toxicology report was even final. It's just being assumed that sorority girl, spring break, was at a party where alcohol was served = she drank too much and died because of it. Not cool. There are many other factors that could have conceivably contributed to her death.

And they didn't say that was they cause of her death, either.

33girl 03-19-2011 01:04 PM

No, they just brought up that she watched a TV show about death by alcohol poisoning. The attitude is pretty clearly displayed.

AOII Angel 03-19-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2039602)
No, they just brought up that she watched a TV show about death by alcohol poisoning. The attitude is pretty clearly displayed.

But she was drinking that night. The point is that if you are drinking with friends and a friend doesn't look well, don't leave them alone to sleep it off. Even if the cause of her death wasn't alcohol intoxication, she may have been saved if someone had noticed she had stopped breathing for whatever reason and called 911. All likelihood is that it was alcohol intoxication, but for what it's worth, most causes of death for a young woman drinking alcohol are preventable. And this comes from someone who was saved by the quick thinking of sisters who didn't leave me alone when I was probably suffering from alcohol poisoning. I had at least blacked out and fallen out of a car. Freshmen make lots of mistakes. It happens. The key is to not potentiate those mistakes into fatal ones.

Low C Sharp 03-19-2011 02:24 PM

"Too soon" is the only time when the story is likely to have any impact on at-risk people. Invincible teenagers are not frightened by the fact that somebody died last year. If it's not here and now, directly relatable to their own actions, it will not seem real and relevant to them.
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33girl 03-19-2011 08:58 PM

That's an awfully huge and condescending generalization.

Give people time to grieve. Period.

AOII Angel 03-19-2011 09:31 PM

That's your opinion. Education saves lives. Period.

southbymidwest 03-19-2011 09:55 PM

You can bring a horse to water... I still think kids that age think they are bulletproof. I can tell you that kids are told over and over about the consequences of drinking- teachers discussing underage drinking and the consequences in health classes/assemblies in high school; parents having discussions with their teenagers; the MAD sponsored twisted remnants of a car involved in a alcohol-related crash in the high school parking lot for a couple of weeks before Prom; the required Greek-wide seminars discussing alcohol; the kids they have known who blacked out from drinking time and time again; they just don't think it will happen to them. I would like to see more teaching friends to look out for friends who might have alcohol poisoning-signs, when to get them medical attention, possibly saving said friend's life, even if the consequences other than the alcohol poisoning could be pretty tough.

AOII Angel 03-20-2011 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southbymidwest (Post 2039727)
You can bring a horse to water... I still think kids that age think they are bulletproof. I can tell you that kids are told over and over about the consequences of drinking- teachers discussing underage drinking and the consequences in health classes/assemblies in high school; parents having discussions with their teenagers; the MAD sponsored twisted remnants of a car involved in a alcohol-related crash in the high school parking lot for a couple of weeks before Prom; the required Greek-wide seminars discussing alcohol; the kids they have known who blacked out from drinking time and time again; they just don't think it will happen to them. I would like to see more teaching friends to look out for friends who might have alcohol poisoning-signs, when to get them medical attention, possibly saving said friend's life, even if the consequences other than the alcohol poisoning could be pretty tough.

That's exactly what was in the article I linked. I completely agree. We know young adults are going to binge drink. When they do, they should at least know how to recognize the signs of trouble. Look at the Cornell SAE chapter that lost it's charter because they didn't call for help when one of their brother's died from alcohol poisoning. In some cases, people are being held responsible for this information.

Scandia 03-20-2011 06:47 PM

That is so sad. Poor Molly. My condolences go to her family and to her Tri-Delta sisters.

Low C Sharp 03-21-2011 02:10 PM

Quote:

That's an awfully huge and condescending generalization.
It's also true. If you disagree that teenagers think they're invincible, or that it's really hard to get safety messages through to them effectively, or that they are more likely to listen when they've been shocked by a tragedy, go ahead and offer some contrary facts.
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