Northwestern University To Investigate Sexuality course's "Live Sex Show"
 

Northwestern University officials have pledged to get to the bottom of an incident that took place earlier this week involving a popular human sexuality course and a device infelicitously called the "fucksaw." Here's what happened: During an optional after-class presentation on campus, professor John Michael Bailey, a 21-year-veteran of Northwestern's psychology department, allowed a guest lecturer to give a live demonstation of the instrument when a video depicting female orgasm was not considered realistic enough......
http://slatest.slate.com/id/2287235/?wpisrc=newsletter
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/cam...tion-1.2504201

Well, damn...:eek:...LOL...I can't get over this.

I don't know...

On one hand, I find it hard to believe that a group of college students needed paid performers to help them understand what an orgasm is. On the other hand, it was an optional, after-class event.

I'm trippin @ "fucksaw" though.

I think most of those classes are okay and are taught responsibly. I do feel this particular activity was out of line.

As for my own class experience, I thought a human sexuality class would be alright to take as one of my nursing pre-req's. The instructor was not a "faculty" member and was a part time lecturer and had a primary full time job off campus.

Anywho, she required that we attend a drag queen contest downtown as part of the "alternative lifestyle" section of the class. I didnt feel comfortable with that or felt like I had to attend such a show in order to try to understand that lifestyle/lifestyle choice so I dropped the class and chose another one.

LOL @ fucksaw

@ knight_shadow
The optional and after-class part don't matter either. What faculty do within the context of their role as faculty will always be placed under scrutiny by the institution. It's the institution's interests that must be protected. All you need is one angry student, parent, and/or community member for something to reflect poorly on an institution.

True, but (@ the bold) that happens even with "tame" topics. But this is why I'm still on the fence about this.

This kind of reminds me of a situation that happened at Tarleton State University. The drama department wanted to put on a production depicting Jesus as a homosexual. After receiving threats, the school shut down the production. The event wasn't required by any class and was being held in the evening. My line of thinking is "if you don't want to see it, don't go." I suppose that could be applied to the fucksaw situation, but again, I don't know if it was necessary for the professor to go that far to make his point.

Why did I have to google that term? Do. Not. Want.

And yeah ........ it really is a modified saw ....... :eek:

Yes, so that's why faculty have to be careful and smart. People will complain over anything so don't give them something to really complain about. This faculty member was stupid for putting his reputation on the line just to teach collegiates about a "fucksaw."

LOL. There are some colleges and universities that would not oppose to such a play and that's based on how supportive the students, alum, and surrounding community would be.

However, if it is sponsored by the drama department then it is part of the university. Even hosting such a play off campus would reflect on the university if it is known that it is Tarleton State University's department that supports the play. A great deal of autonomy is lost when we work for others. We can get away with some things but should not be surprised that we can't get away with everything.

Thanks to Barbie's Rush, I googled the term. Sadly, I was already familiar with that tool.

Sidebar, but I think that takes away from the college experience. A lot of the useful knowledge is obtained outside of the classroom. Being able to see different perspectives before taking a stance on something is invaluable, and that's something that can be picked up with controversial plays/lectures/whatever. If (general) you want your children to adhere to your line of thinking and not have any outside influences, 1) don't send them to college and 2) good luck having them succeed in the real world.

/rant

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I fully believe that a room full of college students needed help to understand what and how an actual female orgasm is achieved.
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That picture was easier to find than, well,...

Of course you were. LOL. Sad for whom? Did you "FAIL at FUCKSAW?"

It isn't a college's job to educate students on all of the incidentals of life. Smart faculty know that and let students research some things on their own, even if those things are related to something discussed in class. Melvoin-Berg should've known better. He could've even talked about the fucksaw without delving that far. Students are smart and resourceful when they feel like being smart and resourceful and they know how to research if they want a fucksaw fuck.

And, again, "outside of the classroom" doesn't include anything that happens on campus or off campus but involving faculty and staff. Faculty can't even go to Bahama Breeze and see a student without becoming "the professor who likes to eat wings and tequila shots at Bahama Breeze on the weekends."

My mind segued into "How much fuck would a fucksaw fuck..."

I have nothing else to contribute, now LOL

"If a fucksaw could sawfuck...."

Yeah, we're done. LOL.

I just don't see what the educational value was. I am pretty liberal on this type of stuff, but there should at least be a REASON for it.

I took a journalism course focusing on minorities in the media, and all of the required events to attend were community meetings, protests or demonstration-type events. Similarily, this was on the syllabus for students to "further understand" the lifestyle. A lot of students got low grades/failed because it was a huge portion of the grade, and many students said they "didnt feel comfortable" attending those types of events. Reasons I heard ranged from "i felt unsafe/unwelcome in the neighborhood" to "i don't need to physically be present to understand the issues."

Professor didn't buy any of it, though he did empathize with students feeling uncomfortable with events that leaned with religious undertones. His point, after lots of complaints from students (and parents, i bet) was that if this makes students uncomfortable, that it's a. a good thing, to be challenged as such and b. they probably didnt have the wearwithall to cut it as a journalist.

I feel you on this. However, student clubs (and departments) run under the auspices (i think i used that word right) of the college, so anything done reflects on the institution. Some are OK with the potential backlash, others are not. There are LOTS of stuff that happened at NYU that ruffled feathers. One of my programs as an RA was sex toy shopping. Some schools wouldnt sneeze, others would put the kibosh on it. Another RA may not feel as comfortable. My opinion: don't like it? Stay yo ass home.

You're right, if you don't want to see it, don't go. But also... you gotta know your crowd. Plus, there's a time and place for nakedness and multiple, authentic orgasms.

LOL maybe you're doing it wrong.

Our multicultural counseling class had this as an optional assignment (it was something like complete 3 out of 8-10 options and this was one of them.) I'd say maybe 1/3 of people in our class made the effort. (And we had people do everything from attend a church primarily attended by another race, to churches from other faiths than their own, to drag shows.)



My sexual dysfunction/couples/marriage and family counseling professor took us on a field trip to a sex toy store. It was educational for people who hadn't been to a physical store. I still can't see it as something an RA would do as an event, but whatever works for the school

I just can't think of many places where a show involving nakedness and multiple orgasms would be legal in the first place. Also, I do feel it's a bit odd regardless.


It's k_s, of course he's doing it wrong.

When I was in school, all of the education majors were supposed to do something like this. Every semester, there'd be a Friday evening that two or three women would come with me to Hillel. I would actually go out of my way to pick the service that would be almost entirely in Hebrew.

The "live sex show" professor speaks

Northwestern's Bailey: "I couldn't think of a legitimate good reason why people shouldn't be allowed to see that"
http://www.salon.com/life/sex_educat...%2529_7_30_110

He has more book sense than common sense.

"Some people look at two paid performers having ugly, sweaty, passionate sex and say, 'Why?' I look at pulsating, throbbing hogs and say, 'Why not?'"

lmao.......

I could see a large part of the point of the professor in this setting, because as a journalist you do have to cover events that arent always pleasant being in thought or may be physically dangerous (warzones for example).

In my class, the drag show event was not stated in the syllabus. It wasnt mentioned at all until probably the 4th week of the class, almost as if the instructor just decided on a whim to make the assignment.

Of course not. I don't wake up butt nekkid on floors for nothing...

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Why are you co-signing??? Lol

We all know the sexual chocolate that is k_s could never do it wrong. ;)

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(One of many standing O's...)

If she can still stand you're doing it wrong...

I keep thinking......Was this necessary?

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J. Michael Bailey, Northwestern University Professor, Apologizes For Sex-Toy Demonstration
CHICAGO — A Northwestern University professor apologized Saturday for letting a couple demonstrate the use of a sex toy after one of his classes, but he said he still sees "absolutely no harm" in what happened

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_831885.html

Optional = okay
 

if the event was not required and no students were forced to perform or view the event against their will, I don't see a problem.

we're college kids...let the good times roll

after reading the stories i believe that that professor sounds like a pompous ass. those who disagree with his decision to have a live sex act after class are wrong.

don't you know those two exhibitionists really got off on performing for so large an audience, and can you imagine the conversation between the professor and the two participants to set this "special treat" up?

He does come off as a pompous ass, but I think that the getting off part was intentional, since you know, that was the point.

I suspect it was "Hey want to bring your fucksaw for a live performance since you also perform at the local kink meetup?" It probably wasn't shockingly creeptastic or something.

The guy's opinions on transgendered individuals is fucked up though.