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SMTTT 01-19-2011 03:29 PM

90 Pregnancies at Memphis high school
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...,3245210.story

"About 90 students at a Memphis High School are either pregnant, or have been recently.

The startling news was confirmed by a high ranking city official and comes as the community plans to roll out a new initiative to help combat the problem.

However, one Frayser High School graduate says teen pregnancy is not a new problem for the school.

"When we would come back from summer break, there would be a thousand people pregnant. We were like, what's going on?" joked Williamson, who graduated from Frayser in 2004.

"There were a whole lot of bellies. You had to watch out so you didn't bump into them. Being 2011, I thought a lot of them would have thought this is not the right way to go, having babies during school time," she added.

Memphis' teen pregnancy rate stands at between 15 and 20 percent, almost twice the national average."
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I really hope this isn't one of those "get pregnant because its cool" issues that they made a Lifetime movie about. I'm sure the school doesn't offer Sex Ed..I remember in high school they wouldn't allow it because the parents thought it would give off the message of it being 'ok' to have sex. Looks like they're getting that else where...

Alumiyum 01-19-2011 05:11 PM

This is a strong example of why sex ed (and good, accurate, open sex ed) is so important. I get so tired of hearing that a sex ed class is condoning sex...some of these kids will have sex no matter what. Staying in denial about that ends up in teenage pregnancies and the spread of STDs. I'm willing to bet a lot of these teens would be more careful if they were armed with the right knowledge. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

It boggles my mind how many people I know in college who still think it's impossible to get pregnant during X time of the month (it seems they all have different ideas of which week in relation to their period is correct), that condoms always prevent pregnancy, that one or the other sex can't get a certain STD, that herpes/chlamydia/gonorrhea/HIV can't be transmitted if there are no symptoms, or that the morning after pill is an acceptable form of routine birth control.

Drolefille 01-19-2011 05:29 PM

We're not pulling the 'pregnancy pact' card this time, right? Because we all know that's bullshit, right?

Ok, just checking.

AGDee 01-19-2011 06:38 PM

They also only compare Memphis' teen pregnancy rate to that of the national average. How about comparing it to other cities with similar socioeconomic demographics? I'm willing to be that Detroit is way up there too, but Bloomfield Hills is very low (not because they don't get pregnant, but because it is taken care of).

ASUADPi 01-19-2011 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2022094)
We're not pulling the 'pregnancy pact' card this time, right? Because we all know that's bullshit, right?

Ok, just checking.

No.

Quite honestly I think it boils down to stupidity on all parties involved (schools with no sex education, parents and the teenagers themselves).

exlurker 01-19-2011 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2022138)
They also only compare Memphis' teen pregnancy rate to that of the national average. How about comparing it to other cities with similar socioeconomic demographics? I'm willing to be that Detroit is way up there too, but Bloomfield Hills is very low (not because they don't get pregnant, but because it is taken care of).

Excellent observation. Well said, AGDee.

Matsimela 01-19-2011 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 2022140)
No.

Quite honestly I think it boils down to stupidity on all parties involved (schools with no sex education, parents and the teenagers themselves).

I agree. Yes access to the education would be helpful. But come on, I never had a single sex ed class ever (even our health classes didnt talk about sex) nor did i really get the talk from my parents until way after i was sexually active and i managed to comprehend that STDs and pregnancy were real life consequences to sex- not to mention making it out of high school baby-free.

Honeykiss1974 01-19-2011 11:46 PM

Not to sound like Oprah, but I think it is a lack of being loved and self-worth that causes many teen girls to see getting pregnant in high school as something ok to do. So here is this young woman (probably lacking a father figure) that is not getting a sense that she is loved or valuable from her family, will go to find it else where. So when Bobby says that "he loves her" and all the good stuff that goes along with it (i.e. we'll be together forever, I'm clean, etc.) and tell her that is she loved him back she wouldn't make him wear a condom, many girls will let him not wear one. There are also girls that want a baby because it again, they are not having the need to feel wanted or special met in more healthy ways. And to them, a baby will do that.

Seriously, if NOTHING else, kids know that condoms prevent pregnancy (I'm just speaking of the basic, age old rule of pregnancy prevention). They sell them everywhere, even at Wal-greens next to the gum, usually costing 3 for $3.99 (less than the price of a McDonald's Extra Value meal). Depending upon your school, you can even get them free there (I went to high school in the early 90's and our school nurse gave them out).

Not saying this is ALL cases, but I do believe a majority of them doesn't stem from lack of education, but lack of self worth and value.

What's said about all this (the article) is that now you have 90 innocent babies brought into the world to parents that are not equipped to raise them - and maybe even grandparents in this case!

Drolefille 01-19-2011 11:53 PM

I agree Honeykiss, although particularly in bad neighborhoods condoms are locked behind glass and you have to ask a clerk. That is not easy to do as a teen whether or not the clerk is actually judgmental. Same with actually buying them.

That doesn't even get into the "using them right" portion of STD prevention.

tld221 01-19-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2022138)
They also only compare Memphis' teen pregnancy rate to that of the national average. How about comparing it to other cities with similar socioeconomic demographics? I'm willing to be that Detroit is way up there too, but Bloomfield Hills is very low (not because they don't get pregnant, but because it is taken care of).

Dee gets it.

Where's Kevin to throw his two cents in?

Drolefille 01-20-2011 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 2022251)
Dee gets it.

Where's Kevin to throw his two cents in?

hate u so much :mad:

christiangirl 01-20-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 2022087)
It boggles my mind how many people I know in college who still think it's impossible to get pregnant during X time of the month (it seems they all have different ideas of which week in relation to their period is correct), that condoms always prevent pregnancy, that one or the other sex can't get a certain STD, that herpes/chlamydia/gonorrhea/HIV can't be transmitted if there are no symptoms, or that the morning after pill is an acceptable form of routine birth control.

At least no one said that they don't need condoms because the worst that'll happen is you'll get HIV which will turn into herpes and then you'll be okay.

<----still banging head after meeting naive teenager with over 20 partners

But I hear you. There were lots of girls in college who didn't know how to properly use a condom even though they were active. I learned how and have never had to do so. Go figure. :shrug:

This whole thing is just....sad. 180 kids didn't just not show up for sex ed. 180 kids weren't intimidated at the store or didn't have access to free condoms. 90 girls weren't raised without a father figure and now are looking for love in the wrong places. There are a plethora of reasons why this happened listed in this thread and, as weird as it sounds, it frustrates me that no one reason is the culprit because there are too any factors to make this "easily fixable." With numbers like these, I wish it was--that's a lot of kids who don't really get to be kids anymore and probably a lot of grandparents who aren't prepared either.

/rant

FHwku 01-20-2011 01:08 AM

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news...er-high-school

apparently, some of the girls were recruited to go the school. they had dropped out and the last principal convinced them to return to school, and to her school.

violetpretty 01-20-2011 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 2022254)
This whole thing is just....sad. 180 kids didn't just not show up for sex ed.

Hah, could be anywhere from 91-180.:p

RaggedyAnn 01-20-2011 04:01 AM

I still remember one of my health/sex ed classes in high school like it was yesterday. The teacher (gym teacher and wrestling coach) had us put down our heads, turned off the lights and had us listen to "Paradise by the Dashboard Lights". He then turned on the lights and had us discuss the song. He, at some point, also went over all the different methods of birth control and their benefits and disadvantages in another class- including abstinence.

PhoenixAzul 01-20-2011 10:09 AM

Man, I consider myself really lucky. I went through Pittsburgh Public Schools, and we had sex ed from 6th grade until 12th. Most of the time it was taught by a rep from Planned Parenthood, so we literally had every method of prevention taught to us, along with efficacy rates. And we were tested on it. And we had graphic illustrations of stds (oh yay). And the "Miracle of Life" video at least twice a year (once in bio, once in health) every year in high school. That has been literally SEARED into my brain.

If you didn't understand how babies got made, or how to prevent them, by the time you got out of high school, you had other issues to address. There was no way to escape these classes, literally no way.

And yet, I had more than one classmate with multiple children by graduation (and raised a huge stink about not being able to carry her babies to the stage for graduation (which she ended up not doing because she didn't pass...gym)).

Long story short: even the best sex ed programs have failures. Teenagers are still going to get pregnant, that's the truth, but man, give them all the information you can and keep giving it to them until they get it. Hell, the experience of having a Baby-Think-It-Over for a weekend made me never, ever, ever want to have a kid.

DiamondAthena 01-20-2011 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul (Post 2022293)
Hell, the experience of having a Baby-Think-It-Over for a weekend made me never, ever, ever want to have a kid.

I threw my baby-think-it-over in the closet when it malfunctioned and wouldn't stop crying (guess it had colic) and took off for a weekend to see my college bf, how ironic.:rolleyes:

33girl 01-20-2011 10:52 AM

We had an ancient health teacher that pretty much sent all the guys' boners straight into the ground. That was our sex ed. :p

Question: How big is this high school? I mean, 90 students out of 300 is one thing, 90 students out of 2000 is another.

AGDee 01-20-2011 11:06 AM

In the school district that my kids go to, the only "sex ed" they get is in 9th grade Health class. Not a peep before that and nothing outside of that class. Plus, they don't have to take that class in 9th grade, they can wait until 12th grade to take it if they want, but most take it in 9th.

Alumiyum 01-20-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2022312)
In the school district that my kids go to, the only "sex ed" they get is in 9th grade Health class. Not a peep before that and nothing outside of that class. Plus, they don't have to take that class in 9th grade, they can wait until 12th grade to take it if they want, but most take it in 9th.

That's all we had, too though the class was required in 9th grade. I'm sure there were pregnancies at my high school, but no one heard of them because they were likely "taken care of". (I literally never heard of one, but find it hard to believe no one got pregnant.) However my parents sent me to a church course in 5th grade that did focus almost exclusively on abstinence, but at least covered basic forms of birth control.

I remember parents being concerned about the lack of education we were getting and a couple of doctors in the community held optional courses on pregnancy and STDs which almost everyone was sent to. It included all the typical disgusting STD pictures and such. But I do know better than to deny that the environment in the community had a lot to do with the absence of teen pregnancy at our school. These were motivated students and well educated parents that weren't interested in letting their child's future be put on hold...I'm willing to bet STDs were another matter though I couldn't say with any certainty how common they were. It's true that teen pregnancy is often not a result of just one cause, but I do think there is a serious lack of sex ed in general in high schools.

tld221 01-20-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul (Post 2022293)
Man, I consider myself really lucky. I went through Pittsburgh Public Schools, and we had sex ed from 6th grade until 12th. Most of the time it was taught by a rep from Planned Parenthood, so we literally had every method of prevention taught to us, along with efficacy rates. And we were tested on it. And we had graphic illustrations of stds (oh yay). And the "Miracle of Life" video at least twice a year (once in bio, once in health) every year in high school. That has been literally SEARED into my brain.
If you didn't understand how babies got made, or how to prevent them, by the time you got out of high school, you had other issues to address. There was no way to escape these classes, literally no way.

And yet, I had more than one classmate with multiple children by graduation (and raised a huge stink about not being able to carry her babies to the stage for graduation (which she ended up not doing because she didn't pass...gym)).

Long story short: even the best sex ed programs have failures. Teenagers are still going to get pregnant, that's the truth, but man, give them all the information you can and keep giving it to them until they get it. Hell, the experience of having a Baby-Think-It-Over for a weekend made me never, ever, ever want to have a kid.

1. OMGZ @ "Miracle of Life." They showed us this video in 8th grade - the boys were psyched... until the actual birth scene. Three boys puked, one screamed and the rest looked at all the girls like "THAT'S what your body does?!"

2. Planned Parenthood, huh? Interesting. and from 6th grade on up? Wow.

3. I was always SO JEALOUS when kids had that "pretend an egg/babydoll/sack of flour is your child for a week" project on TV. We NEVER got to do this. Though, by 12th grade, some of us had real babies to take care of, and for longer than a week.

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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 2022268)
Hah, could be anywhere from 91-180.:p

Seriously. There HAD to be some double dipping going on. At least two girls are saying to each other, "our babies are gonna be brothers/sisters!"

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2022312)
In the school district that my kids go to, the only "sex ed" they get is in 9th grade Health class. Not a peep before that and nothing outside of that class. Plus, they don't have to take that class in 9th grade, they can wait until 12th grade to take it if they want, but most take it in 9th.

Same at my HS. This was around the time where "STDs" meant "herpes on the lip because you shared a soda with someone at lunch, but just play it off as a cold sore" and "teh AIDZ." No one took it seriously - even when folks starting catching stuff. I was most concernd about catching KIDS :(

LatinaAlumna 01-20-2011 12:56 PM

Our "sex ed" was in fifth grade. Girls in one classroom, boys next door. Girls get periods. I don't know what they ever really told the boys. Nothing more was ever said, and in my high school days (late 80s/early 90s) you were either a girl who didn't put out (and didn't have a baby), or a girl who had sex and eventually got pregnant. And if you got pregnant, they shipped you away to the continuation high school QUICK. But even with the lack of education, they would still only ship away about 4-5 girls a year out of a high school with 1,400 kids.

Kappamd 01-20-2011 01:05 PM

Our first sex-ed was fifth grade. Like LatinaAlumna, it was boys in one room, girls in another. Girls had the pleasure of watching "Miracle of Life," but I'm not sure what the boys did. We had sex-ed again in seventh grade health, and yet again in 10th grade health. We knew where babies came from, and our options to prevent pregnancy. None of that abstinence only nonsense. Out of my 800+ graduating class, we had only a handful of pregnancies, so apparently they were doing something right.

BraveMaroon 01-20-2011 01:14 PM

I had sex ed of various types from 5th grade on, but since Mom was a nurse and Dad was an Administrator at the county hospital, I was forever hearing cautionary tales of girls they had seen at work. They worked.

If you want to know what's an effective scare tactic, ask my mother about the consequences of using Coca-Cola as a post-coital spermicide.

:eek:

Seriously.

ms_gwyn 01-20-2011 01:16 PM

Sounds like my elementary school and High School (mid to late 80s)...

and the only time I was in LA Unified was for 8-9th and I don't recall anything about sex ed...


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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna (Post 2022329)
Our "sex ed" was in fifth grade. Girls in one classroom, boys next door. Girls get periods. I don't know what they ever really told the boys. Nothing more was ever said, and in my high school days (late 80s/early 90s) you were either a girl who didn't put out (and didn't have a baby), or a girl who had sex and eventually got pregnant. And if you got pregnant, they shipped you away to the continuation high school QUICK. But even with the lack of education, they would still only ship away about 4-5 girls a year out of a high school with 1,400 kids.


honeychile 01-20-2011 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul (Post 2022293)
Man, I consider myself really lucky. I went through Pittsburgh Public Schools, and we had sex ed from 6th grade until 12th. Most of the time it was taught by a rep from Planned Parenthood, so we literally had every method of prevention taught to us, along with efficacy rates. And we were tested on it. And we had graphic illustrations of stds (oh yay). And the "Miracle of Life" video at least twice a year (once in bio, once in health) every year in high school. That has been literally SEARED into my brain.

If you didn't understand how babies got made, or how to prevent them, by the time you got out of high school, you had other issues to address. There was no way to escape these classes, literally no way.

And yet, I had more than one classmate with multiple children by graduation (and raised a huge stink about not being able to carry her babies to the stage for graduation (which she ended up not doing because she didn't pass...gym)).

Long story short: even the best sex ed programs have failures. Teenagers are still going to get pregnant, that's the truth, but man, give them all the information you can and keep giving it to them until they get it. Hell, the experience of having a Baby-Think-It-Over for a weekend made me never, ever, ever want to have a kid.

My school was a pilot school district, and we also started at fifth grade, but only went through 11th. We had to insert a diaphragm and put a condom on (on dummies, of course) for a grade. The book list included The Joy of Sex and The Kama Sutra. Yes, positions were discussed. The only thing that wasn't is slang - to this day, someone will refer to something sexual and I'll have no idea what it is unless I hear it in clinical terms.

I graduated with over 700 people, and there were only 2 pregnancies in our class (at least, from what I heard). When taught and absorbed properly, knowledge is power.

AGDee 01-20-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna (Post 2022329)
Our "sex ed" was in fifth grade. Girls in one classroom, boys next door. Girls get periods. I don't know what they ever really told the boys. Nothing more was ever said, and in my high school days (late 80s/early 90s) you were either a girl who didn't put out (and didn't have a baby), or a girl who had sex and eventually got pregnant. And if you got pregnant, they shipped you away to the continuation high school QUICK. But even with the lack of education, they would still only ship away about 4-5 girls a year out of a high school with 1,400 kids.


While only 4-5 girls a year were shipped away at your school, the school where they all went would have a disproportionate rate. (Getting back to the original article) So, this high school that they are focusing on actually went out and recruited these new moms to come to their school. Of course the rate is high.

LatinaAlumna 01-20-2011 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2022357)
While only 4-5 girls a year were shipped away at your school, the school where they all went would have a disproportionate rate. (Getting back to the original article) So, this high school that they are focusing on actually went out and recruited these new moms to come to their school. Of course the rate is high.

Yes, I agree. My reply wasn't in response to the article (I was just adding to the posts on our "sex ed" memories). :)

LatinaAlumna 01-20-2011 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ms_gwyn (Post 2022337)

and the only time I was in LA Unified was for 8-9th and I don't recall anything about sex ed...

I didn't attend LA Unified, but I am surprised to hear that such a large district didn't offer any sex ed to 8th and 9th graders.

FHwku 01-20-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveMaroon (Post 2022335)
If you want to know what's an effective scare tactic, ask my mother about the consequences of using Coca-Cola as a post-coital spermicide.Seriously.

i'll bet they use Diet Coke.

AGDee 01-24-2011 03:59 PM

You're too predictable to be a good troll. Go away and learn how to troll better before you come back again.


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