There you go... let's start the relationship out with lying, because that is what withholding the truth is. That's a good start. :rolleyes:

According to the Swing Phi Swing web site, members are not allowed to be members of any other social sorority.

It's not necessarily that clear (the wording isn't), but I'd hazard a guess that you're right.

OP, you first should double check with someone in the know because it sounds like you cannot be a member of both. Even if we're mistaken, starting off by being withholding isn't ideal. Assuming that being a member of SPS would hurt you (and personally I'm not sure how it would, unless you were attempting to participate in both at the same time, which would turn into a time management issue), I'm willing to bet your being deceptive about your membership would be a much bigger issue.

What you're asking is not really something we can answer. You have to either figure it out through SPS or take it up with the recruitment chairs/advisor for each of the NPC sororities. It may well be that it's simply not an option. In all fairness, I have seen people react as you have many times when they don't get the answer they want. Someone took the time to look at the SPS site for you; instead of getting defensive, why not ask where they saw that?

Phi_Delta/408

I just. No.

Not going there.

It's (almost) Christmas.

Hey Drolefille! Merry Christmas to you!

Hey! Wait, did you get me a troll for Christmas? :D

Getting ready for the "omg I had to transfer because of the tragic death of my entire family and their last words on their collective death bed were that their only dream for my future was to transfer schools and join an NPC sorority and Swing Phi Swing said they would totally make an exception for me because I am such a special snowflake" story in 5 .... 4 ..... 3 ......

Even when I try to be nice they end up bringing the snark out to play. Why do I even bother?

Me? *scuffs toe in dirt*

awwwwwww. You peeked!

ETA: Barbie, you were lovely. It really isn't about you; it can't read and is punctuation challenged, to boot. Merry Christmas to you too!

That attitude will in no way impress those NPC members. Find out what SPS's rule is for certain, and respect it.

So you checked directly with Swing Phi Swing nationals and they got right back to you on that over Christmas break. How responsive they are!

And I am sure they would do the happy dance if someone joined an NPC after becoming a member. Dual membership simply isn't allowed before becoming a member.:rolleyes:

No one wants a sister who's constantly looking for potential loopholes to get out of the vows she took to another organization. Good luck with recruitment. :rolleyes:

Swing Phi Swing isn't even part of the sorority equation on most campuses--even some HBCUs--so a lot of people don't notice them until the assert themselves via stepshows and stroll competitions. They are widely held as a non-GLO that does philanthropy and has a history of "fun."

From their website:
"We do not accept members who currently belong to a Greek-letter sorority. However, academic business or service fraternity membership is allowed."

Honestly, it is very rare for a Greek-letter sorority member (usually NPHC) to even want to be a Swing Phi Swing.

Whatever the case, it is more important whether an NPC (this is the first time this topic hasn't dealt with NPHC) sorority would accept a member of Swing Phi Swing. It's not important what Swing Phi Swing would accept. She's already a Swing. We typically have Swings and sweethearts trying to become members. It would really suck if all NPC and NPHC sororities don't accept Swings. Imagine living your life relegated to Swing for sorority membership, regardless of whether you became a Swing in college or alumnae (funny).

God bless them for what they do in the community, though.

I understand that's how it is worded, but you need to double check. IMO it's odd that you can't join if you're in a social sorority, but that you can join a social sorority after joining SPS (per your interpretation). I understand that you can still go through NPC recruitment, but isn't it worth double checking to make sure you don't negatively effect your SPS membership or step on toes?

Here's the deal. If you are wrong and did go through NPC recruitment, sororities might not be impressed that you're using loopholes. IMO you should ask someone who knows the rules backwards and forwards before you go through recruitment. If a knowledgeable member of SPS says you're correct about the rules, go for it and good luck. IMO (assuming you're in the clear) the only way in which that would effect your NPC recruitment would be if you were trying to be highly active member of two organizations as that could (and probably would) turn into a time issue. Do not take the "nontheirbusiness" attitude about SPS. That implies that you're hiding something or have a reason to hide something, which you shouldn't and don't. Speaking for myself I would find SPS membership to be a positive in a PNM.

I agree with everything you said up until the last line. :)

It seems to me that younger members of Groove Phi Groove, Swing Phi Swing, and other fraternal or sororal organizations (which may or may not have Greek letters but have Greek traditions) want their orgs to be oriented to open-membership. In other words, they feel that dual membership is okay because they are so different.

Older members of the same organizations (rightfully) view their organizations as alternatives to the existing systems. This is why you can't be a member of an NPC or NPHC before joining them. I think the spirit of the rule is that it's not intended to be open for dual membership.

It's possible that the orgs also take the attitude of "You can do what you want with your life, we don't like it but we can't stop you." Which honestly, to me, seems to be in line with the 1960s and 1970s era values that these orgs carry, as opposed to the more conservative values of the early part of the 20th century which other predominately black orgs have.

Feelings as I do, this is why I would not vote favorably on a Groove Phi Groove who later came to Alpha for membership. They are similar enough to be mutually exclusive, and different enough for GPhiG to be considered an alternative.

Makes sense. I guess speaking as an NPCer who knows only a little about either organization, that didn't occur to me prior to your post. But then, that's why I say "speaking for myself" because I'm sure there are NPCers out there who are more knowledgeable than I and would see it the same way you do.

Agreed. We can only speak for ourselves in the first place, so it's all good. :)

A++ Would read again.

This is it right here.

If you're in a service fraternity or sorority with nonselective membership, that's one thing.

If you're in a fraternity or sorority that has a NPC or NIC or NPHC style rush process, only gives out bids to selected people and says (as SPS does) that membership in another SOCIAL group (i.e. SPS straight up is calling themselves a social group, NOT a service group) then no - no double dipping.

(These comments don't apply to only SPS and GPhiG incidentally...at some campi there are service fraternities or sororities that act like social groups, and I don't agree with double dipping there either.)

The other thing is the information on their site is intended for prospective members. There's nothing there that discusses the requirements and expectations for continuing membership. So unless anyone has their official rules/bylaws/whatever they use in hand, I don't think we can say that this issue isn't specifically addressed in a private fashion.