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twilightxox 11-21-2010 04:57 AM
Finally deciding to rush Fall 2011, need some advice.
 
I've been debating for a long time whether or not to go through recruitment for a while. I didn't do it Freshman year because of personal reasons.

I have a couple of questions and concerns.

So, the main thing I am worried about is if I am going to get a bid. I am at home taking a break from school, I'm taking classes to raise my GPA, but I will be considered a Sophomore. Is being an upperclassman really a big deal? I have a lot of community service experience, an amazing 'resume', and I like being part of something. I know a lot of girls in sororities who I am on very good terms with. Everyone always asks me why am I not in a sorority, even some of the girls in sororities tell me I should join and I would fit right in. For the girls I am not on good terms with, will that hurt my chances? Since I am taking a year off I have a lot of time to get myself together, raise my grades and clean up before returning, because I had a big party girl image during Freshmen year.

Sorry for the long questions and what not! I am mostly concerned with not getting a bid, because I have officially become very interested in Greek life and am really trying to change things to be successful.

Thank you.

KSUViolet06 11-21-2010 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by twilightxox (Post 2005281)
I've been debating for a long time whether or not to go through recruitment for a while. I didn't do it Freshman year because I didn't know about the whole Greek system because I lived in another country. But my roommate, and one of my suite mate did it and are now in Sororities.

I have a couple of questions and concerns.

So, the main thing I am worried about is if I am going to get a bid. I am at home taking a break from school, I'm taking classes to raise my GPA, but I will be considered a Sophomore on my return, and it will be at Kansas State University, and is being an upperclassman really a big deal? I have a lot of community service experience, an amazing 'resume', and I like being part of something. I know a lot of girls in sororities who I am on very good terms with. Everyone always asks me why am I not in a sorority, even some of the girls in sororities tell me I should join and I would fit right in. For the girls I am not on good terms with, will that hurt my chances? Since I am taking a year off I have a lot of time to get myself together, raise my grades and clean up before returning, because I had a big party girl image during Freshmen year, but it wasn't a bad one where people go "there's that one girl who sleeps around", or "there's that alcoholic chick".

Sorry for the long questions and what not! I am mostly concerned with not getting a bid, because I have officially become very interested in Greek life and am really trying to change things to be successful.

Thank you.
We can't say for sure whether you'll get a bid or not because we don't know.

The girls who don't like you may affect your chances, or they may not.

As far as your reputation, what's done is done and the good thing is that you're different now. People might judge you based on the past, but there is nothing you can do about it.

I tend to think that you have nothing to lose by trying. You never know.

As far as Kansas recriutment goes, I dug up this in a search and it might help you:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=96413

Flying Tiger 12-06-2010 03:50 AM
Yea its hard to say if you will get a bid or not. But if your campus is huge, I don't think reputation will matter that much because people won't know you, unless there is a very specific sorority that you are trying to get into where you are not in good terms with a handful of the memebrs. Also I wouldn't worry too much about the upperclassman thing. If they like you they will offer you a bid. I guess it also depends on how many epople are trying to get in too. If they are desperate then your chances will be good but if there is a huge line of people trying to get into this one sorority then I guess competition will play in. Good luck.

IrishLake 12-06-2010 09:20 AM
To the OP - Ditto what KSUVi said. I'll add that you never know unless you try, but none of us can tell you your odds. Getting recs may be a good idea just to help showcase what you have to offer.

Flying Tiger, you admit you know very little, if anything, about womens traditional formal recruitment, so saying things like this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Tiger (Post 2009142)
Yea its hard to say if you will get a bid or not. But if your campus is huge, I don't think reputation will matter that much because people won't know you, unless there is a very specific sorority that you are trying to get into where you are not in good terms with a handful of the memebrs. Also I wouldn't worry too much about the upperclassman thing. If they like you they will offer you a bid. I guess it also depends on how many epople are trying to get in too. If they are desperate then your chances will be good but if there is a huge line of people trying to get into this one sorority then I guess competition will play in. Good luck.
is completely misleading. It's in your best interest to not offer advice on things you know nothing about.

AOII Angel 12-06-2010 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Tiger (Post 2009142)
Yea its hard to say if you will get a bid or not. But if your campus is huge, I don't think reputation will matter that much because people won't know you, unless there is a very specific sorority that you are trying to get into where you are not in good terms with a handful of the memebrs. Also I wouldn't worry too much about the upperclassman thing. If they like you they will offer you a bid. I guess it also depends on how many epople are trying to get in too. If they are desperate then your chances will be good but if there is a huge line of people trying to get into this one sorority then I guess competition will play in. Good luck.
Excuse me, Mr. Flying Tiger. We don't appreciate male rushees coming on our recruitment threads offering advice to women when they obviously have no insight into the workings of formal recruitment! Keep to what you know...

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013698)
this is complete bullshit. I'm sure there are plenty of men who can give advice on recruitment. I'm not one of them, so I won't. But I'm sure some dude with a sorority girlfriend can tell you the ins and outs of your process because she keeps chatting in his ear about all the bullshit she has to do

I will say this: Plenty of sophomores get bids at my school. You'll be fine :)
How many men go through sorority recruitment?

AZTheta 12-22-2010 01:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013698)
this is complete bullshit. I'm sure there are plenty of men who can give advice on recruitment. I'm not one of them, so I won't. But I'm sure some dude with a sorority girlfriend can tell you the ins and outs of your process because she keeps chatting in his ear about all the bullshit she has to do
*clutches pearls* Oh my, that wouldn't be you, by any chance?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013698)
I will say this: Plenty of sophomores get bids at my school. You'll be fine :)
I take it that you are at the same school as the OP, and you know the OP? So you can predict this? You're sure about a lot of things.

/sarcasm off

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013701)
zero.
I stopped reading here.

Let sorority women speak about sorority recruitment.

AZTheta 12-22-2010 01:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2013703)
I stopped reading here.

Let sorority women speak about sorority recruitment.
Again, you're right on. Thanks k_s. *extra goodies in your stocking this year*

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013704)
Well fuck you then. What I said has merit
So much so that EVERY person that's responded after you has told you to shut the hell up?

Yea, run with that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 2013705)
Again, you're right on. Thanks k_s. *extra goodies in your stocking this year*
;)

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013708)
you guys can say anything you want but what I said has merit because its just a simple fact
You're right. What supposedly happens at one random school is representative of the entire NPC nation.

Now it's my turn: Shut the fuck up.

rollthedice 12-22-2010 01:51 AM
/moving the thread back on track....

I say do it. Go in with an open mind and be ready to face rejection.
If you don't go through, I'm quite sure that you will spend some time wondering "what if?"

good luck with everything!

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013713)
I'm not purporting it to. I've said multiple times that where I'm from this happens, and it may be different somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with that
Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013698)
this is complete bullshit. I'm sure there are plenty of men who can give advice on recruitment. I'm not one of them, so I won't. But I'm sure some dude with a sorority girlfriend can tell you the ins and outs of your process because she keeps chatting in his ear about all the bullshit she has to do

I will say this: Plenty of sophomores get bids at my school. You'll be fine :)
Remembering what you type is not your strong suit.

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 02:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 408 (Post 2013718)
Saying a man can't give advice about formal recruitment is complete bullshit because there are men who can give advice about recruitment. I'm not one of them and I didn't give advice. I'll edit the post to reflect this
Saying a fraternity member cannot give advice about sorority recruitment is right on track since, you know, we don't go through it.

And if you gave no advice, why would you feel the need to edit?

Fail.

ETA: Good job with the keyboard courage in your edit. Bitch.

lucgreek 12-22-2010 09:45 AM
Eh, I've seen plenty of sorority women give advice on fraternity recruitment here before.

But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.

AlphaFrog 12-22-2010 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013771)
Eh, I've seen plenty of sorority women give advice on fraternity recruitment here before.

But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.
Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.

FleurGirl 12-22-2010 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by twilightxox (Post 2005281)
So, the main thing I am worried about is if I am going to get a bid. I am at home taking a break from school, I'm taking classes to raise my GPA, but I will be considered a Sophomore. Is being an upperclassman really a big deal? I have a lot of community service experience, an amazing 'resume', and I like being part of something. I know a lot of girls in sororities who I am on very good terms with. Everyone always asks me why am I not in a sorority, even some of the girls in sororities tell me I should join and I would fit right in. For the girls I am not on good terms with, will that hurt my chances? Since I am taking a year off I have a lot of time to get myself together, raise my grades and clean up before returning, because I had a big party girl image during Freshmen year.
I wish I could tell you yes, you'll be fine, you'll get in, but I can't do that. Nobody knows how it's going to work out. I was in a similar position to you when I went through. I waited until sophomore year because I just wasn't ready as a freshman, but I did a bunch of other things that I think really helped me. There was one girl in particular who didn't like me in Kappa, and she was very, very vocal about it. However, if enough people see your good qualities, that one negative voice will probably not sink you -- it certainly wasn't an issue for me. The best advice I can give you at this point is to prepare yourself as much as possible and just RELAX. Think of this as a chance to meet people and make new friends and not an epic-end-all-break-all-pressure situation (if you're super stressed, it'll show)! It's normal to be nervous, but you aren't doing yourself any good worrying about the end result. Control the things that are in your control, and try not to worry about the things that aren't. :)

MysticCat 12-22-2010 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013771)
But what this 408 person is saying is horrible advice.
This 408 person is (was) Phi_Delta -- He's a big ol' stocking full o' Fail.

AZTheta 12-22-2010 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2013782)
This 408 person is (was) Phi_Delta -- He's a big ol' stocking full o' Fail.
Indeed, and I'm thinking "a big ol' stocking full o' Fail" is quote-worthy!

Starbucks and chocolate for k_s...

back to the topic.

AZ-AlphaXi 12-22-2010 11:14 AM
for those of us who are early to bed and late to rise ... thank you (KS and AZTheta my friend) for the QFPs

lucgreek 12-22-2010 11:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2013778)
Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.
That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013830)
That doesn't mean a sorority woman is qualified to give fraternity rush advice. Fraternity men might be knowledgeable about the sorority rush process without being directly involved in it.

I think there are sorority women who can give great fraternity rush advice. I also think there are sorority women who give awful fraternity rush advice.

There are some fraternity men who can give great sorority rush advice. There are some fraternity men who give absolutely awful sorority rush advice.

Equality for all, kumbaya, etc...
95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."

lucgreek 12-22-2010 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2013844)
95% of fraternity men don't have to worry about totals or quotas or pref parties or rankings, so how can we tell PNMs their chances with those curveballs thrown in?

There's a difference between saying "Keep your options open" or "Do your research" (which can be applied to several situations) and "You will be fine. Don't worry about a thing."
How can a sorority woman tell a fraternity PNM his chances when fraternity rush can be drastically different campus to campus? At least with NPC rush, there's some level of normalcy across most campuses.

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

I just think, depending on the situation, both can give advice on each others rush to some extent.

MysticCat 12-22-2010 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013852)
I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.
Except nobody actually made that statement. AF's statement doesn't really go that far -- it's an explanatory response to what you said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2013778)
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013771)
Eh, I've seen plenty of sorority women give advice on fraternity recruitment here before.
Sorority women are generally allowed to be involved with Fraternity Rush. Fraternity men are NOT allowed to be involved with NPC Recruitment.
You're infering things people didn't actually say.

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013852)
How can a sorority woman tell a fraternity PNM his chances when fraternity rush can be drastically different campus to campus? At least with NPC rush, there's some level of normalcy across most campuses.

I just think it's a bit of an unfair statement (originally made by someone else) to say that sorority women are qualified to give advice about fraternity rush whereas fraternity men can't possibly ever give advice on sorority rush.

I just think, depending on the situation, both can give advice on each others rush to some extent.
The regular posters on this site don't tell fraternity aspirants their chances. The standard response is "Get to know the guys at your school." No one says "You'll have a better chance if you do X, Y, and Z." or "You'll be fine as a senior because I knew one senior once who was able to get a bid."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013857)
right. If the thread starter was an PNM at my school I would be much more qualified to give her advice than Knight_Shadow.
You can assume, but until you are involved with sorority MS at your school, you really don't know. Plus, you have no idea which school the OP attends (it looks like she's since removed some identifying information).

33girl 12-22-2010 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013857)
right. If the thread starter was a PNM at my school I would be much more qualified to give her advice than Knight_Shadow.
But unless she's stated it on here or told you privately, you don't KNOW that she is.

Therefore you should refrain from making blanket statements just because something happens to be true on YOUR campus. FWIW, the same is true on my campus, but I would never tell anyone "don't worry about it" but the fact is at many campuses being anything other than a first semester freshman can be a huge detriment. That doesn't mean it's right, but that's how things are.

lucgreek 12-22-2010 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2013863)
You're infering things people didn't actually say.
I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on. :o

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013868)
I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on. :o
No, you didn't. I brought it up in response to 408 lol Although, I said we should be deferring to the women on this site.

MysticCat 12-22-2010 12:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 2013868)
I must have had a brain fart this morning because I could have sworn I saw a post about guys never being allowed to give sorority rush advice. Maybe I merged two threads together in my morning haze.

Nothing to see here, carry on. :o
Been there, done that many times.

Quote:
Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2013870)
No, you didn't. I brought it up in response to 408 lol Although, I said we should be deferring to the women on this site.
Right. You didn't say "never."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013871)
lol you did
Reading is fundamental:
Quote:
Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2009189)
Excuse me, Mr. Flying Tiger. We don't appreciate male rushees coming on our recruitment threads offering advice to women when they obviously have no insight into the workings of formal recruitment! Keep to what you know...

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013874)
poster implies that male rushees know nothing on recruitment on the basis of sexuality. This is a serious misconception.
Rushees PERIOD know nothing about recruitment/rush because they are still going through it.

MysticCat 12-22-2010 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013874)
poster implies that male rushees know nothing on recruitment on the basis of sexuality. This is a serious misconception.
No. Poster states that a male rushee -- i.e., someone whose experience of how Greek organizations function is limited to participation in fraternity rush from the rushee's perspective (though he later said he's actually an alumnus) -- who told us that he came to Greek Chat specifically to find out how formal recruitment works because they don't have it on his campus (this thread) should not be offering advice on something that he admits he knows nothing about.

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013882)
thats not true. I associated with my GLO my senior year of college after 3 years of friendship with multiple greeks and holding leadership positions in different student organizations who work with Greek Life. If you asked me a question about Greek Life at my university, I am fully confident I can portray and accurate description of the process here.
No, it is true.

Are you going to tell me how my place of employment operates because you talk to me? No. The same holds true for Greek life.

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013887)
If you described the operations of your employment to me in detail, then I could explain the details to someone else and be confident in their validity. So it applies
Because I'm representative of my entire company?

Also, would you feel confident enough to say "You'll be hired, no problem" if asked?

You're grasping at straws here.

DrPhil 12-22-2010 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013887)
If you described the operations of your employment to me in detail, then I could explain the details to someone else and be confident in their validity. So it applies
Word of mouth based on only one person's account. Therefore, you would say "so-and-so said" rather than pretending to have firsthand knowledge and expertise.

LOL. I don't know why folks are indulging Phi_Delta's flouncy ass. We all know that you don't truly know and can't give reliable and valid advice until you are part of the inner workings of Greekdom. The End.

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2013889)
I don't know why folks are indulging Phi_Delta's flouncy ass.
I'm on a mission to hit 10,000 posts :o

MysticCat 12-22-2010 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013887)
If you described the operations of your employment to me in detail, then I could explain the details to someone else and be confident in their validity. So it applies
In my experience, Greeks do not explain the details of their membership selection decisions to people outside their own organizations, no matter how much outsiders may think they know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013884)
I wish I had this information before I made myself look like an asshole! :(
This one is just too easy -- it's like the Free Space in Bingo.

DrPhil 12-22-2010 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2013891)
I'm on a mission to hit 10,000 posts :o
Start a race and/or poverty war so we can have an exciting GC battle.

AlphaFrog 12-22-2010 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2013891)
I'm on a mission to hit 10,000 posts :o
Oh! You want access to the secret clubhouse?

Oops, I've said too much. ;)

knight_shadow 12-22-2010 01:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013895)
No. But if you were a construction worker and you explained to me how to pour concrete, I would learn the how to pour concrete.

So if someone were to ask me "Hey, whats the best way to pour concrete?" I would say "Well, here is what I know about pouring concrete. If you want to be successful at it, you should do this"
Womp.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2013896)
Start a race and/or poverty war so we can have an exciting GC battle.
I've been trying. Every day, I pray that a gay Muslim loses his job and calls Jesse Jackson to bring it up to the Supreme Court.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 2013897)
Oh! You want access to the secret clubhouse?

Oops, I've said too much. ;)
Yes. Yes I do lol

AlphaFrog 12-22-2010 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phi_Delta (Post 2013895)
No. But if you were a construction worker and you explained to me how to pour concrete, I would learn the how to pour concrete.

So if someone were to ask me "Hey, whats the best way to pour concrete?" I would say "Well, here is what I know about pouring concrete. If you want to be successful at it, you should do this"
So if all your friends were doctors, and they explained to you how to do a quadruple bypass surgery, you would feel comfortable claiming knowledgeable advice in how to perform one?


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