Texas A&M Greek Life Moratorium
 

"A Crackdown for Texas A&M Greek Life. Sororities and Fraternities are having to scrap their social events and new member activities."

http://www.kbtx.com/news/headlines/G...107859409.html

Wow. This should be interesting...

Yeah, since one of the most notorious groups for hazing in this country has long been the A&M Corps of Cadets. I wonder if A&M managed to put the brakes on that.

A 2 week moratorium? What's the point? (other than PR)

Probably depends on what happens in those 2 weeks. On the University's side will they la down much more stringent rules (that could be useful or useless YMMV)? On the students' side do they break the prohibition within those 2 weeks or keep their heads down? And then what do they find with the allegations made?

I don't think the 2 weeks is the end of it, I think it's the beginning. If it is all for show and PR it'll just disappear and whatever students were hazing will be worse than ever after the attention is redirected.

EXACTLY.

I agree Carnation, complete double standard. I had many friends in the corps and they were hazed to the nth degree but it was acceptable:rolleyes:

There has always been a double standard for military orgs and I cant say I disagree. Military personal have a much more grave purpose than the social and service aspect of greek life. Texas A&M's corps produces alot of American soliders. Im not saying hazing should be completely tolerated, but if it should the corps should be more tolerated than greek life. I personally know many aggie greeks and my mom was a member of a sorority there so I have a basic understanding of greek life there. just my two cents

But while they're in school, they're NOT American soldiers. They're in a student organization. One student organization shouldn't get a pass on things that other SOs get shut down for.

There are a good number of corps members that do not join the military. All of the guys I knew were not interested in going into the military. I don't think that is a valid excuse.

I find myself in 100% agreement with this.

Should the same go for the hazing at The Citadel and VMI although these are "Military Schools"? Should they get a pass.

Not so sure about ROTC as I don't really know enough about their ties to the Armed Forces and what these ties/requirements, if there are any, entail.

I think that requires being able to distinguish hazing, and other seemingly unecessary rites of passage, from official training procedures. Hazing (in the literal sense used by anti-hazing policies and laws) shouldn't be what prepares these women and men for military service and combat.

However, if the Citadel and VMI have policies and procedures that classify some of these things as nonhazing, that's when we get into the more subjective nature of "hazing." If it isn't defined as hazing, it isn't technically hazing regardless of personal opinions on the matter.

If I recall correctly, students (most? all? some? the ones on ROTC scholarship?) in ROTC have a couple of years of military service after graduation. This is how the government gets back their investment on these students. At least, that's how it was in the 1990s at the universities that I was familiar with.

Only a slight correction for technical purposes, they only have to serve if they take the scholarship.

You don't get the scholarship once you sign on the dotted line for ROTC, but when you do get it, it does cover back to when you joined.

I could be wrong though and they were just telling me that so I could sign on the dotted line.

THIS.

NO - the kind of hazing my friends in the Corps (and especially in the band) had to endure would not be tolerated in the military - it had NOTHING to do with the physical/mental conditioning of soldiers. To be fair to their rival, it is my understanding that the non-Greek "spirit" groups of UT are (or were - I'm ancient) far worse than anything the Greeks dreamt of doing.

The male spirit group at Tech was suspended for hazing not too long ago. I know several members that have quit and joined IFC groups.

Any updates on the A&M situation? Obviously the time frame on the moratorium is up.

Agree, but can't help wondering how state laws on hazing (if there are any for SC, VA and possibly others) come into play? I would think that they (state laws) supercede any institutional policies but , of course, there are a lot of politicos who graduated from these institutions and are now in a position to protect them.

SC and VA have hazing laws. I think the state laws supercede school laws, just as many schools' policies supercede organization's policies (with some exceptions).

The GC legal eagles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the ranking was: state----->school----->organization

One of the Cowboys was actually killed as a result of hazing activities many years ago. The Cowboys weren't allowed to be around for a long time after that.

I'd add that sometimes organization ----> school if the HQ is willing to support a chapter as a non-recognized student organization.

Rare, but it happens, and more-so at different schools.

Read: Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Knew of many kids who went into the Corp at A&M who did it because their fathers were in it, and they accepted the hazing.

The Corps is not a military organization. In some ways it is a weird sort of fraternal organization. aTm is quite frankly a "different" sort of place that would not be easily understood outside of Texas.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. A+M is odd even to those of us in Texas lol

Co-sign :p

I was going to say the same thing. Too much maroon kool-aid being consumed down there. My high school friends changed dramatically after a few weeks on campus, in that in their view only other Aggies could relate to them. Cult-like I tell ya!

High school friends who attended various other schools (including Texas, Tech, Baylor, SMU, etc) remained friends and in contact with each other. Those that went to A&M kept to themselves, even when home for holidays. Weird.

I thought so but was not 100% sure as I do not live in these states.

So if state law trumps school rules and school rules trump the organizations rules (in most cases) how do the Keydets of VMI, Corp at A&M and Cadets at The Citadel get away with the blatant hazing of plebes? I believe these schools have friends in high places who look out for them and/or turn a blind eye. It does seem a tad hypocritical of T A&M to clamp down on Greek organizations but not the Corp but as others have said A&M is definitely different.

Not me!!!!

But then, my opinion is VERY BIASED!!!


GIG 'EM

Not anymore apparently...

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...66#post2007866

Exactly. I understand school spirit, but CS takes it to another level. I'm used to seeing school mascots on cars or the occasional t-shirt/hoodie, but having an entire city draped in maroon is doing the most IMO lol

Bless your heart ;)

Interesting. I wonder what happened with the whole "wait 5 years" thing. Oh well. This isn't really the thread for that.

Well, I still spoke with my friends that weren't apart of "the cult";)

You were one of the lucky ones lol