Do high ranked frats allow Asians?
 

Do high ranked frats at University of texas Austin such as Delta tau delta, kappa sig, pike, and ATO allow non whites such as asians or indians?

Nope. It's against UT's policies and procedures. Might even be against the law.

Sorry :(

They do not "allow" "non-whites". As chapters of great regard and in high demand they extend invitations to those they want to be members. And that invitation is not guided by race. It is guided by your background and you as a person and your reputation as established in high school. Race in and of itself is not ever a point of decision.

And if we must have the tier conversation- two of the chapters you name do not even come close to being "top tier" at UT.

Texas is an extremely competitive school for fraternities and sororities. But for a southern school it is also at the forefront for not caring about issues like race and religion. In that respect it mirrors Texas society.

The fact you ask this question on this site does not bode well for your chances, but not for the reason you seem to think.

? Are you agreeing with the OP? I only ask because the question is inane. If we must go there- the racial makeup of "top tier" guys is more diverse than you think.

It is a silly question to consider- we who were there understand the question. There are many barriers- but they are not racially driven.

Seriously?

Which Texas "society" is that?

^ the hippie Austin society. They are a fairly liberal city, if you hang around the right neighbourhoods.

Oh ok, thanks. The right neighborhoods of the hippie part of the fairly liberal city of Austin is not "Texas society."

Yeah, sorry op. The law is as strict as the brothel law.

Wait so Im getting mixed responses here...

Im guessing most are sarcasm =P

So just to make sure, its cool for an indian or asian to rush a high tier frat or mid-high tier frat correct?

Yes. However, it is really bad form to talk about tiers around here, and it will be very bad form to talk like that on campus. Also bad form to use the word "frat". Get to know men in fraternities, and if you like them, and they like you, hopefully they will offer you an invitation to membership.

Bazinga!

Sarcasm? On Greekchat? Alert the media!

Since you're so concerned with tiers, I'm going to give you a free clue. None of the groups you mentioned would remotely be considered "high tier" and only one would be considered "high middle."

Pretty much every guy I know has found the right group for him if he's kept an open mind. There are so many fraternities here, you'll fit in somewhere.

Must we really be so nasty to the OP? He is a clueless high schooler, obviously, but it is entirely valid to be concerned about how fraternities may view a non-white. Keep in mind that many national orgs discriminated very openly at points in their history.

The sarcasm the OP grasped is completely missed on you.

DUH. We've had tons of threads on that and many GCers aren't in denial.

What we don't know is whether or not the specific chapters he is asking about discriminate. Even members of those chapters who post here would claim they don't. Whether or not they do is something he will need to figure out on his own.

When did he say that he was a high school student?

Allow Asians to what?

Actually, EE-BO wasn't too far off. The cities in the Texas Triangle have a "don't bother me and I won't bother you" attitude for the most part (race relations and religion). That region makes up 75% of Texas' population. It's the other 25% that's a bit iffy.

Austin has a reputation of being a liberal oasis in the conservative desert that is Texas, but in reality, it's not any more liberal than the larger cities in the state.

/sidebar

thanks, I got it now guys =D

So now were on the topic of ranking and tiers...

Im pretty much joining to get job and intership hookups later on so I can get a bad ass job + have fun at the same time.

Is that the right idea? And would a Higher Tier frat give better job hookups for higher salaries?

and lastly, Delta Tau Delta, ATO, Kappa Sig at UT. How are these ones? Are there any on this list I should avoid? Are the people all stuck up arrogant D-Bags?

thanks!

You're not guaranteed a job based on your Greek affiliation. And unless you work for a chapter brother or something, your affiliation isn't going to get you a higher salary.

Please read some of the threads in this forum so you can get a better understanding of what Greek life entails.

You do know that "don't bother me and I won't bother you" isn't the same thing as tolerance and non-discrimination, right? It means that everyone can get along as long as they stay out of each other's way. As soon as you get in someone's way (i.e. a minority joining a fraternity chapter that isn't ready for that) that's when there's a problem.

I should've been more clear.

What I meant was as long as you're not trying to force your beliefs on others, no one cares what you do. If you want to be Buddhist, go ahead -- that's your prerogative. If you want to be in an interracial relationship -- that's all you. I didn't mean it as "as long as you people stay out of my neighborhood, we won't have problems!" or anything like that.

I'm pretty sure that the best thing that will get you a good job/internships is your grades, since college is about academics, or at least it is the last time I checked.

I think your best bet for figuring out which guys are great--or, alternatively, which guys are not so great--is to just go out there and meet them.

No. And you might want to look around at some other threads before continuing to post on this matter. You are heading in the direction of offending some of the very members whose help you're asking for, if you haven't already.

First off, the problem with tiers is that they are specific to the school. Nobody is going to look at you when you graduate and think "Oh he joined a top tier chapter. Let's hire him." And honestly while networking is part of the Greek experience, it is secondary or even tertiary to the main purpose. And would you really want to be in a fraternity you do not fit in just because they are "top Tier" something that changes all the time anyway?

Realistically, it's probably more along the lines of what I said. It's your prerogative until you seek more depth in terms of interaction. That's when people confuse real integration (not surface level integration) with forcing your beliefs on someone.

I suppose.

I do know that all of the large Texas cities (and most Sunbelt cities) are are filled with transplants from more 'tolerant' areas of the US, and they bring their progressive values with them. I was just making the point that Austin is not the lone ranger when it comes to liberal thinking in Texas.

I see what you're saying, though. It's never just skin deep (pun intended).

Okay, I stand corrected. Please go ahead and mock the OP.

Excellent pun. :)

Such progression is always better in theory than in practice. That also goes for the more "tolerant" areas of the U.S. that are still very segregated by race and ethnicity.

True. Except I'd switch out race/ethnicity with socio-economic standing.

Actually, I just said that to irk you :p

I like this conversation better than the original topic at hand.

You do not have the right idea at all.

And we don't do chapter reputations here at GC.

:eek:

Just for that I am taking all of the good sushi away from you. Take that, beyotch!

This is a better convo. I think we're the only ones having it. LOL.

Yup Jimmy they sure do pledge Asians!

I had a pledge brother named Phuk Hu Mon...

iChuckled :)

Whether or not this is funny depends on one thing: Are you Chris Rock?

I felt guilty. :(

When were these ever "high-ranked"?

Jimmy, if you don't already know these guys or have the right connections, you're not going to get a bid. Since you don't even know the real reputations, you're definitely in that clueless unconnected camp. They will smell your desperate social climbing the second you walk out of your room in Dobie.

This.

I was completely baffled when he didn't even mention any of the better three.

OP: you might want to reevaluate on whether or not you really want to join a fraternity. Personally speaking, just by how you described how you view the Greek system, you've already managed to deeply offend me.

Sure, fraternities can help with connections and fun, but that's not what it's all about. You join a fraternity for a group of brothers who support each other at all times, and as a result of this, you get all the other benefits.