Montana sex education proposal draws outrage
 

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LOL @ the hot mess the bolded could lead to.

"No Amber, thats a 69 THIS is a reverse cowgirl" (teacher drawing on the erase board).

*DONE*

I'm all for sex education (I went through it), but all of that isn't necessary. Anatomy? Sure. Safe sex? Absolutely. The difference between a threesome and an orgy? Go 'head and leave that to the parents.

I suspect that means teaching what is PIV, oral, anal, digital sex. Not positions. But I need more than a paragraph article. Funny though, they're more upset about the OMG gay sex.

And for better or worse, fifth graders need to know because some of them are already doing it.

Sadly so. I often wonder why that is and why such major changes in seemingly a short period of time.

When I was in 5th grade I hadnt grasped the whole sexual concept, nor was I really interested in boys. I was still playing with my barbies and Pleasant Company dolls in 5th grade! :)

It's the culture these kids are growing up in, everything is so edgy now compared to when we were kids. Remember when Britney Spears circa 1999 was considered a "bad influence" on girls? Compare 1999 Britney to Ke$ha or Lady GaGa and she's a goody two shoes.

1999 Britney was 16-ish, though. Ca$hew and GaGa are in their 20s. Me thinks it's lazy parents.

She turned 18 in 1999. YES I KNOW THAT :D

LOL -- I was more focused on Christina back then. I like them Dirrty hahaha

But that makes me think back to the "Mary-Kate and Ashley Countdown"

But I'm sure when you were in 5th grade there were some girls who were already having sex. Things haven't changed that much. There are still plenty of girls interesting in "kid" things still in 5th grade and others are doing very "adult" things. Once they hit middle school in 6th grade though... smh. (LOL) We didn't have middle school when I was a kid, we had junior high. Junior high started in 7th grade. We were still of the elementary mentality in 6th grade. I'm not sure I think middle school is a great concept, personally.

I don't think it is.

In fact, in DC, many of the former elementary schools have become "education campuses" which house Early Childhood/Pre-School (three year olds) all the way up to 8th grade. If a kid gets left behind once and has a late(early?) birthday, you're looking at potential 15 year olds in the same building as 3 year olds and everything in between.

wait...did they say that they were teaching the Kama Sutra?

Two were actually. One I think was because she had messed up ideas--found out years later she had been sexually abused by her father throughout childhood. Her mother knew it, and allowed it to continue. I remember in school too she was the first one to start wearing a bra and get her period as well which was around 4 or 5th grade. This girl was very sweet and a friend of mine, though sex was never ever brought up until middle school when everyone talks about it. She moved away in 7th grade and we lost touch. I often think of how she is doing now.

The other was not a shock to anyone. All of her family members had dropped out of high school and got pregnant & married young. This girl followed family tradition by dropping out of school in 9th grade. She later got her GED, however she has been working low wage jobs since--McDonalds & a mom & pop gas station back home. We were friends in elementary school, but I was never allowed to spend the night at her home. Random people were always in and out and her parents were never seemingly home. She lived two doors down from the girl mentioned above.

Differing ages of Pubertly...
 

My mother and my sister were both at the early end of Puberty. My sister was in a *real* bra when she started 4th grade, and I'm pretty sure that she had started her period (at least brown-spotting) before the end of 3rd grade (she turned 9 before the end of 3rd grade).

There is a difference in the races as well, African-Americans tend to start pubertly earlier than Caucasians, who tend to be earlier than East Asians.

Randy

Bro, TMMFI.

As a substitute whose favorite grade is 6th in a state that has pretty much gotten rid of most if not all Junior Highs for Middle Schools I see that where the schools keep the 6th grade segregated (lunches and most courses are separate) they are not bad. As a rule the 6th graders STILL act like they're in elementary school. They listen much better than 7th & 8th graders do, they complete their work on time during the class period, follow directions well and just are better overall. It helps them get used to the chaos of the older children without being in the center of it. This is even true in schools of "lesser qualities".

I transfered from a school where 6th grade was in the elementary hallway to a middle school in 7th grade and it was such a shock culturally for me. People were speaking in sexual terms I had never heard of and shaving their legs and going on dates!

I feel like they'll probably explain oral sex/vaginal sex/anal sex etc., not necessarily sexual positions. I'm all for this because I'm 23 and am still shocked at how many people my age don't consider oral sex "sex". Like the fact that you won't get pregnant from it negates any other danger or negative consequence. For some reason a lot of people don't treat STD's as seriously as a potential pregnancy. I had someone tell me two days ago they didn't worry about herpes because "You can just take medicine and it goes away and no one around here has that." Yeah. Ok. Besides the fact that it doesn't "go away"...ever...people do have it and I know some personally who in the past chose to not tell partners before sex that they had herpes. Herpoleerpolies explosion. I blame lack of sex ed.

My parents sent me to a church based sex ed course in 5th grade and we had a VERY basic course in school, but it still wasn't even on my radar at that age. I'm sure for someone in my class, though, it was. And were we in a middle school the next year (we are in elementary school until 6th grade before moving to the Junior High so when I was there we behaved more like elementary school kids than high school kids until Junior High) I think more people would've been experimenting. There's a way to do this without traumatizing anyone and it's necessary, IMO. I am very much in support of better sex ed programs in schools.

You're absolutely right. There have always been "fast" girls who were sexually active in elementary school or early middle school. ALWAYS. There were the ones you knew about, but there were certainly more you didn't know about. I was one of those girls who was late in putting away the Barbies, but it doesn't surprise me AT ALL what these kids do and know.