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pshsx1 07-09-2010 09:59 PM

10 Brands That May Disappear in 2011
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-bud...appear-in-2011
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24/7 Wall St. has created a new list of brands that may disappear, which includes Readers Digest, Kia Motors, Dollar Thrifty (NYSE: DTG - News), Zale (NYSE: ZLC - News), Blockbuster (BLOKA.PK - News), T-Mobile, BP Plc (NYSE: BP - News), RadioShack (NYSE: RSH - News), Merrill Lynch and Moody's (NYSE: MCO - News).
24/7 Wall St. regularly compiles a report of brands that are likely to disappear in the near-term. Last April, and again in December, we published our findings. Usually, it would take a full year before such a list could be compiled again. However, the current economic climate has accelerated this process and a majority of the brands on the first two lists are either gone, have been acquired, or have filed for bankruptcy.
With a number of the brands on the December list either gone or on a short-term path to extinction, 24/7 Wall St. has put together the latest version of the Ten Brands That Will Disappear. To qualify, we expect that brand to be gone by the end of 2011, or for its parent to be sold or go into Chapter 11.
Last time I read this I think Blockbuster, RadioShack, and Kia were still on it.

I don't want my phone company to die. :(

tld221 07-09-2010 10:14 PM

Yeah i peeped this. Man looks like i'm gonna be going back to Verizon... :(

agzg 07-09-2010 10:15 PM

I guess I didn't realize T-Mobile was doing that poorly...

AOII Angel 07-09-2010 10:34 PM

I was getting a haircut the first weekend after I moved to PHX, and a group of women were getting pedis behind me. I couldn't help overhearing their conversation. Apparently one of them worked for Blockbuster. She went on and on about what a great company Blockbuster was. She thought that they'd never go out of business because they sold everything! I just sat there chuckling to myself thinking she'd be looking for a new job within a year.

PiKA2001 07-09-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952740)
I just sat there chuckling to myself thinking she'd be looking for a new job within a year.

:(

Why would you find it funny that someone might be losing their job in this economy? Blockbuster has a lot of retail stores across the country, if they were all to close it would add a couple thousand people to the list of unemployed.

NinjaPoodle 07-09-2010 11:00 PM

Merrill Lynch? wow.

southbymidwest 07-09-2010 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaPoodle (Post 1952751)
Merrill Lynch? wow.

Since they were bought by Bank of America, supposedly they will become Bank of America Wealth Management Group or something like that. They are not going out of business, just getting a name change and a corporate makeover.

dreamseeker 07-10-2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1952745)
:(

Why would you find it funny that someone might be losing their job in this economy? Blockbuster has a lot of retail stores across the country, if they were all to close it would add a couple thousand people to the list of unemployed.

i was wondering the same thing....

calilicious 07-10-2010 12:44 AM

Where do you get pedis that a blockbuster employee also does? I hope you have found a better place and not one of those Asian owned nail salons!

Drolefille 07-10-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by calilicious (Post 1952767)
Where do you get pedis that a blockbuster employee also does? I hope you have found a better place and not one of those Asian owned nail salons!

What's the matter, Earp? Scared to post under your own name?

full*hearts 07-10-2010 01:25 AM

Unfortunately Netflix and RedBox have almost massacred Blockbuster. The same will happen eventually for other things as well, especially since the Internet is killing everything, TV/Music.

preciousjeni 07-10-2010 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by calilicious (Post 1952767)
Where do you get pedis that a blockbuster employee also does? I hope you have found a better place and not one of those Asian owned nail salons!

May fungus find its way under your nails.

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1952769)
What's the matter, Earp? Scared to post under your own name?

Ohhhhh this is Earp? I was wondering why all the posts were so hostile and foolish.

epchick 07-10-2010 01:46 AM

T-Mobile? Whaaaat? No wonder I had to pay to get a replacement phone. Sheesh. lol.

Drolefille 07-10-2010 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1952788)
May fungus find its way under your nails.



Ohhhhh this is Earp? I was wondering why all the posts were so hostile and foolish.

I am assuming, but I believe it to be true and since it's a perp, might as well.

He makes his forum look REALLY good, doesn't he.

pshsx1 07-10-2010 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1952791)
T-Mobile? Whaaaat? No wonder I had to pay to get a replacement phone. Sheesh. lol.

Seriously!!! lol

I knew T-Mobile was number 4, but I didn't think it mattered that much. I also thought that their presence was growing, not dwindling.

But I guess it'd be cool if T-Mo stayed alive and absorbed Virgin, though... didn't really know VM still existed until I saw them branded all over Lady Gaga's Telephone music video.

Brandon. 07-10-2010 05:27 AM

To my surprise there's a whole shit load of companies listed that I actually thought were doing well.

ThetaDancer 07-10-2010 09:38 AM

I'm surprised to see T-Mobile on the list. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly surprised by Blockbuster or Readers Digest being listed.

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952740)
I just sat there chuckling to myself thinking she'd be looking for a new job within a year.

This made me cringe. I'm hoping you just worded this really poorly and didn't literally laugh at someone's potential misfortune.

DrPhil 07-10-2010 10:58 AM

:( Dr. Angel's post really bothered me.

It's okay, we all have our cringe worthy moments on and off the Internet. ;)

AOII Angel 07-10-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1952745)
:(

Why would you find it funny that someone might be losing their job in this economy? Blockbuster has a lot of retail stores across the country, if they were all to close it would add a couple thousand people to the list of unemployed.

Oh please...I didn't find it humorous that she would lose her job but that she thought Blockbuster was such a strong company. Learn to read posts.

AOII Angel 07-10-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952740)
I was getting a haircut the first weekend after I moved to PHX, and a group of women were getting pedis behind me. I couldn't help overhearing their conversation. Apparently one of them worked for Blockbuster. She went on and on about what a great company Blockbuster was. She thought that they'd never go out of business because they sold everything! I just sat there chuckling to myself thinking she'd be looking for a new job within a year.

Since it seems several people were stunned by this post, let me clarify. The woman was in middle management with blockbuster. She went on and on about the company for about 15 minutes about how strong the company was. I do not find humor in her misfortune, just in her complete lack of understanding of her companies financial situation, especially since this was not a teenager working the desk at a store.

knight_shadow 07-10-2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952848)
Oh please...I didn't find it humorous that she would lose her job but that she thought Blockbuster was such a strong company. Learn to read posts.

I got what you meant. Not really sure what caused the uproar.

But I remember working at Blockbuster years ago. The company treated employees and customers like shit and had a "too big to fail" mentality. Good riddance.

AOII Angel 07-10-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1952850)
I got what you meant. Not really sure what caused the uproar.

But I remember working at Blockbuster years ago. The company treated employees and customers like shit and had a "too big to fail" mentality. Good riddance.

Thanks, K_S...I'm not that kind of mean. Mean yes, not vicious!

DrPhil 07-10-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1952850)
Not really sure what caused the uproar.

Where's the uproar?

Her point was extremely clear until this part "I just sat there chuckling to myself thinking she'd be looking for a new job within a year." That's what people are responding to. Add water and stir.

DrPhil 07-10-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952853)
Thanks, K_S...I'm not that kind of mean. Mean yes, not vicious!

Yeah and that's why people responded as they did.

If you were known to be a vicious and heartless username, people would've just cussed you out instead of expressing shock, frowny faces, and ThetaDancer's attempt at giving you the benefit of the doubt. ;)

AOII Angel 07-10-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1952857)
Yeah and that's why people responded as they did.

If you were known to be a vicious and heartless username, people would've just cussed you out instead of expressing shock, frowny faces, and ThetaDancer's attempt at giving you the benefit of the doubt. ;)

I appreciate it, that's why I clarified.:D

DrPhil 07-10-2010 11:43 AM

For the record....

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952849)
The woman was in middle management with blockbuster.

Middle management employees tend not to truly be informed of the financial situations of the companies they work for. :)

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1952850)
But I remember working at Blockbuster years ago. The company treated employees and customers like shit and had a "too big to fail" mentality. Good riddance.

You worked for the corporate office or one of the locations? That makes a big difference.

I have my list of companies that I hate. However, within the context of this thread, "good riddance" for even the crappiest and most exploitative of companies should not ignore all of the jobs that will be lost. That's definitely nothing to celebrate.

AOII Angel 07-10-2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1952865)
For the record....



Middle management employees tend not to truly be informed of the financial situations of the companies they work for. :)



You worked for the corporate office or one of the locations? That makes a big difference.

I have my list of companies that I hate. However, within the context of this thread, "good riddance" for even the crappiest and most exploitative of companies should not ignore all of the jobs that will be lost. That's definitely nothing to celebrate.

But as an educated person, she should be able see what every other educated person in the country can see... Blockbuster is in trouble.

knight_shadow 07-10-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1952865)
You worked for the corporate office or one of the locations? That makes a big difference.

I have my list of companies that I hate. However, within the context of this thread, "good riddance" for even the crappiest and most exploitative of companies should not ignore all of the jobs that will be lost. That's definitely nothing to celebrate.

I worked at a location, but in Dallas (where corporate HQ is located). My main group of friends at the time were in middle management, so in hanging out with them, I heard about what was going on.

To the second part -- of course I don't want to run around screaming "Hahaha, you bitches are unemployed now!" but I saw in 2003 that BBV was tanking. If a retail employee can see that the company is going downhill, someone in middle management should be able to see it.

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952867)
But as an educated person, she should be able see what every other educated person in the country can see... Blockbuster is in trouble.

Pretty much.

Drolefille 07-10-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952867)
But as an educated person, she should be able see what every other educated person in the country can see... Blockbuster is in trouble.

Exactly. They're in a lot of trouble, and copying netflix and working out deals with studios to delay redbox/netflix releases will NOT save them.

We only have Family Video left in town (and the chain started here) and they're great for people w/o netflix who just want something to watch (preferably in the back catalog, with a free kids movie!) Otherwise, even the last hold out grocery store with a rental service just got their brand new redbox.

DrPhil 07-10-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952867)
But as an educated person, she should be able see what every other educated person in the country can see... Blockbuster is in trouble.

Don't attempt to cash that check. A lot of things that we think are common observation and knowledge are not. :)

I don't really know Blockbuster's financial situation but I always guessed that they are struggling because of the economy, Netflix, Redbox, the Internet, and OnDemand channels. At the same time, I don't have the inside scoop of what Blockbuster is doing to buffer the effects of these things. They certainly aren't the first or last company to have to tackle such issues--other companies have survived. I know people who still go to Blockbuster because Redbox and OnDemand really suck sometimes. That may or may not represent a larger trend.

DrPhil 07-10-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1952869)
I worked at a location, but in Dallas (where corporate HQ is located). My main group of friends at the time were in middle management, so in hanging out with them, I heard about what was going on.

I knew it was a "some of my bestfriends are..." thing. ;)

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1952869)
If a retail employee can see that the company is going downhill, someone in middle management should be able to see it.

At the same time, people in middle management are sometimes fed more promises of success than retail employees.

Long story short, the economy is complex all around and if observations and solutions were so simple, some companies wouldn't be struggling as they are. I know some companies wish they could find solutions including getting overpaid corporate employees to sacrifice some of their salary so the company can redistribute its wealth and resources.

agzg 07-10-2010 11:59 AM

Companies are also able to pull the wool over their employee's eyes, in terms of the stability of the company. I've heard a lot of "I was completely blindsided when they laid off half the company (or more), but in retrospect, it should have been clear to me" type of stories.

I've found this to be particularly true in the home office of corporations.

knight_shadow 07-10-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1952871)
Don't attempt to cash that check. A lot of things that we think are common observation and knowledge are not. :)

Touche.

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I don't really know Blockbuster's financial situation but I always guessed that they are struggling because of the economy, Netflix, Redbox, the Internet, and OnDemand channels. At the same time, I don't have the inside scoop of what Blockbuster is doing to buffer the effects of these things. They certainly aren't the first or last company to have to tackle such issues--other companies have survived. I know people who still go to Blockbuster because Redbox and OnDemand really suck sometimes. That may or may not represent a larger trend.
I think I may have come off a little cold because I do know BBV's financial situation. It's been on a steady decline for years because, as I stated earlier, the company had a "too big to fail" mentality.

Drolefille 07-10-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1952874)
Companies are also able to pull the wool over their employee's eyes, in terms of the stability of the company. I've heard a lot of "I was completely blindsided when they laid off half the company (or more), but in retrospect, it should have been clear to me" type of stories.

I've found this to be particularly true in the home office of corporations.

While true, BB has pretty well documented problems both at the in the store policy level and at the corporate making profits level. The stuff's in the paper and online.

I think this list is exaggerated though, I don't think BPs going anywhere and I'd be surprised if T-Mobile bows out. (And obviously BB made it another year). I think "The Shack" will be out soon as well unless they manage to actually rebrand themselves and be useful.

agzg 07-10-2010 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1952876)
While true, BB has pretty well documented problems both at the in the store policy level and at the corporate making profits level. The stuff's in the paper and online.

This is exactly what I'm talking about, though. Home offices sometimes have a way of dismissing news reports, online reports, etc. that portray the office in a negative light while reassuring employees that it's not that bad, their job is stable, and everything's going to be better next year. Not all employees fall for it, but a surprising number do, and these are educated people.

It's easy for those of us on the outside of the company to say "oh we can see the writing on the wall" but the simple fact that there are people who still work for the company and haven't jumped ship yet speaks to the theory that it's not so clear from the inside.

Drolefille 07-10-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1952884)
This is exactly what I'm talking about, though. Home offices sometimes have a way of dismissing news reports, online reports, etc. that portray the office in a negative light while reassuring employees that it's not that bad, their job is stable, and everything's going to be better next year. Not all employees fall for it, but a surprising number do, and these are educated people.

It's easy for those of us on the outside of the company to say "oh we can see the writing on the wall" but the simple fact that there are people who still work for the company and haven't jumped ship yet speaks to the theory that it's not so clear from the inside.

Possibly, but if you're willingly deluding yourself, isn't it your own fault? The times I've been working for companies at risk of disappearing it was more of a low level worry, where you're looking for other jobs on the side without over-stressing about what you can't change. But no matter how the positive talk came down, when cost-cutting measures were implemented we knew why and what it meant.

I suspect that they'd want to switch jobs but a) are hoping to make it to retirement, b) hoping for a severance package and/or c) can't find anything else right now, or d) retail is retail failing business or not.

I don't know, I just don't think your job should ever have the same amount of affect or spin on your thoughts as like... (bad analogy) an abusive partner.

DrPhil 07-10-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1952884)
Home offices sometimes have a way of dismissing news reports, online reports, etc. that portray the office in a negative light while reassuring employees that it's not that bad, their job is stable, and everything's going to be better next year. Not all employees fall for it, but a surprising number do, and these are educated people.

It's easy for those of us on the outside of the company to say "oh we can see the writing on the wall" but the simple fact that there are people who still work for the company and haven't jumped ship yet speaks to the theory that it's not so clear from the inside.

Exactly and "falling for it" includes the team building (or whatever some companies call it) efforts to get everyone to remain positive and fight until the end.

Even when the company's failure is clear from the inside, most employees can't (shouldn't, won't...) jump ship and be a complete naysayer until their other employment prospects come through.

PiKA2001 07-10-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1952849)
Since it seems several people were stunned by this post, let me clarify. The woman was in middle management with blockbuster. She went on and on about the company for about 15 minutes about how strong the company was. I do not find humor in her misfortune, just in her complete lack of understanding of her companies financial situation, especially since this was not a teenager working the desk at a store.

Maybe she knows something you don't and has faith in her company. Maybe she feels BB can compete over RedBox and NetFlix, maybe BB has a new business model they are rolling out and she's excited for it. Maybe shes a single mother of two who will lose her house if she gets laid off and is in denial of BB's losses. You never know.

P.S. I read your post just fine.

knight_shadow 07-10-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1952921)
Maybe she knows something you don't and has faith in her company. Maybe she feels BB can compete over RedBox and NetFlix, maybe BB has a new business model they are rolling out and she's excited for it. Maybe shes a single mother of two who will lose her house if she gets laid off and is in denial of BB's losses. You never know.

P.S. I read your post just fine.

LOL @ the bold

epchick 07-10-2010 04:48 PM

If T-Mobile merges with Sprint, I WILL leave. I've dealt with Sprint before, and will never do it again. I'll go to Verizon before I become a Sprint customer again.


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