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PiKA2001 07-01-2010 09:21 PM
Kappa Alpha Psi Hazing (WSU)
 
http://thesouthend.wayne.edu/index.p...nity_of_hazing



A former Wayne State student recently told WJBK-TV that he was the victim of hazing while at the university and almost died from the beatings.

Eric Walker, a 21-year-old former student who was studying to become a doctor, wanted to join the fraternity Kappa Alpha Psi. But he said he was the victim of the hazing for 32 straight days. He said dozens of fraternity members “kicked, punched and pummeled” him, according to the Fox 2 report.

His injuries allegedly put him in the hospital for more than a week.

Walker and his attorney, Dan Romano, said this fraternity has hazed students for years.

According to the Fox 2 report, Wayne State Police Department Chief Anthony Holt said the university has suspended the Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity. Holt was not immediately available for additional comments for The South End.

ladygreek 07-02-2010 04:06 PM
Wow, this is almost 2 months old. Are you still mad at KAPsi because of the Howard University fiasco?

BluPhire 07-02-2010 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1950084)
Wow, this is almost 2 months old. Are you still mad at KAPsi because of the Howard University fiasco?

What happened at Howard?

PiKA2001 07-02-2010 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1950103)
What happened at Howard?
I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.

DrPhil 07-02-2010 05:50 PM
LOL. She's talking about PiKA at Howard.

The article was last updated in May. Does anyone know if anything has happened since then?

PiKA2001 07-02-2010 06:21 PM
I wasn't able to find any follow up on this, so maybe it's still going on (investigation).

The Pike colony at Howard is old news, like 4 years old news. Still have no clue how my posting this story on KAPsi @ Wayne has anything to do with Pikes @ HU.

Drolefille 07-02-2010 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1950107)

I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.
That was a rant?

I'd hate to see what you call a screed.

PiKA2001 07-02-2010 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1950121)

I'd hate to see what you call a screed.
Hold that thought....

(searching Drollfille's posts)
:D

Drolefille 07-02-2010 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1950122)
Hold that thought....

(searching Drollfille's posts)
:D
ha ha, funny. ;)

The point is, not a rant.

Senusret I 07-02-2010 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BluPhire (Post 1950103)
What happened at Howard?
The Kappas were on suspension at Howard for like a jillion plus one years.

Group of guys (who mostly wanted to be Kappas in the first place) thought they would do something "different" and petitioned Pike to become a colony.

While Nellie, Byron, George, Myra, Oscar, an' 'nem all rolled in their graves, the boys became a colony while the campus at large wasn't welcoming of them (editorials in the campus paper against their presence due to racist activities of some of the chapters in the recent past).

The Kappas are unexpectedly welcomed back to campus. (Some speculate that it's related to the mayor and his brother being Kappas in the sponsoring alumni chapter)

The Pike colony fails.

Several of the 44 recolonizing members of KAPsi were former Pikes. Several other former Pikes went on to become Kappas through alumni chapters.

Privately, several Pikes told me they felt that the colonization policies were too stringent for a chapter to ever be able to succeed at Howard. This is not even including the loyalty issues among the colonizers.

My own moral to this story is that I believe an NIC fraternity could work at Howard, but it would have to be one which was intentionally nonsectarian in its founding and made up of men who were not of the NPHC mold at all.

DrPhil 07-02-2010 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1950153)
The Kappas were on suspension at Howard for like a jillion plus one years.

Group of guys (who mostly wanted to be Kappas in the first place) thought they would do something "different" and petitioned Pike to become a colony.

While Nellie, Byron, George, Myra, Oscar, an' 'nem all rolled in their graves, the boys became a colony while the campus at large wasn't welcoming of them (editorials in the campus paper against their presence due to racist activities of some of the chapters in the recent past).

The Kappas are unexpectedly welcomed back to campus. (Some speculate that it's related to the mayor and his brother being Kappas in the sponsoring alumni chapter)

The Pike colony fails.

Several of the 44 recolonizing members of KAPsi were former Pikes. Several other former Pikes went on to become Kappas through alumni chapters.

Privately, several Pikes told me they felt that the colonization policies were too stringent for a chapter to ever be able to succeed at Howard. This is not even including the loyalty issues among the colonizers.

My own moral to this story is that I believe an NIC fraternity could work at Howard, but it would have to be one which was intentionally nonsectarian in its founding and made up of men who were not of the NPHC mold at all.

LOL.

PiKA2001, this is what the PiKA failure at HU has to (jokingly) do with a PiKA posting this months-old story about Kappa.

PiKA2001 07-02-2010 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1950159)
LOL.

PiKA2001, this is what the PiKA failure at HU has to (jokingly) do with a PiKA posting this months-old story about Kappa.
Now the reference makes sense, I wasn't in the know about what went down with KAPsi at HU. I'm like damn, I only posted the damn thing because this chapter was at my school.....

dreamseeker 07-02-2010 09:39 PM
damn. i didn't know it was all dat. *_*

DrPhil 07-02-2010 09:46 PM
Damn, where have you all been? LOL.

ladygreek 07-02-2010 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1950107)

I have no clue what she's ranting about. I just found this article while reading through the school paper and thought it appropriate for this board.
I guess you haven't seen one of my rants, or anyone else's for that matter. They tend to be more than two sentences long. LOL

ree-Xi 07-03-2010 10:57 AM
I had not seen this before, so excuse my tardiness.

Not blaming the victim here, but wouldn't the flight or fight mechanism kick in after a few hours or days? As for the hazers - something's going on if you have to beat your pledges for a month to make them love you. Psychologically speaking, what happens for either side to let this go on for so long??

Drolefille 07-03-2010 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 1950264)
I had not seen this before, so excuse my tardiness.

Not blaming the victim here, but wouldn't the flight or fight mechanism kick in after a few hours or days? Psychologically speaking, what happens for either side to let this go on for so long??
No, not necessarily. The "I want to be part of the group" bit in the brain talks you into a lot, and so do your fellow pledges and even the actives. Not everyone is as susceptible to that sort of peer pressure, but more people are than you would think. And plenty of people who don't think they would stick around with any sort of abuse do. Hence cults, relationships and hazing.

/short version

ree-Xi 07-03-2010 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1950265)
No, not necessarily. The "I want to be part of the group" bit in the brain talks you into a lot, and so do your fellow pledges and even the actives. Not everyone is as susceptible to that sort of peer pressure, but more people are than you would think. And plenty of people who don't think they would stick around with any sort of abuse do. Hence cults, relationships and hazing.

/short version
I know people who have been in abusive relationships, and people who have been hazed mentally, but not someone who's been beaten physically over and over in a group setting. I guess because there is often physical evidence of the beatings/branding/kicking/etc., people might feel more likely to stand up or walk away.

I was thinking that it might be different, but thinking about the group dynamic, the desire to fit in is just as strong as the attachment in any one-on-one relationship can be.

Drolefille 07-03-2010 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 1950268)
I know people who have been in abusive relationships, and people who have been hazed mentally, but not someone who's been beaten physically over and over in a group setting. I guess because there is often physical evidence of the beatings/branding/kicking/etc., people might feel more likely to stand up or walk away.

I was thinking that it might be different, but thinking about the group dynamic, the desire to fit in is just as strong as the attachment in any one-on-one relationship can be.
Some people might be more likely to walk away, but I think most evidence of physical abuse is generally ignored or explained away in embarrassment. But when being "tough" and not letting down your brothers (in whatever sense) is presented as the ideal, people take more punishment. So in some ways, yeah the group dynamic might be more compelling, or just as compelling as the one on one. (I suspect it happens less frequently with women except when women are joining a predominantly male organization and then there's the aspect of 'keeping up' with the men. I don't have anything to back that up though.)


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