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Kevin 06-25-2010 04:06 PM

Don't Taze my Granny!
 
(CN) - Police Tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, after her grandson called 911 seeking medical assistance, the woman and her grandson claim in Oklahoma City Federal Court.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/24/28330.htm

Wow... just wow. I have several cases in Canadian County (where this happened) and have heard some stuff about the police force out there, but it sounds like those guys need to clean house.

RU OX Alum 06-25-2010 04:08 PM

They need to purge the police force.

knight_shadow 06-25-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1947466)
(CN) - Police Tasered an 86-year-old disabled grandma in her bed and stepped on her oxygen hose until she couldn't breathe, after her grandson called 911 seeking medical assistance, the woman and her grandson claim in Oklahoma City Federal Court.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/24/28330.htm

Wow... just wow. I have several cases in Canadian County (where this happened) and have heard some stuff about the police force out there, but it sounds like those guys need to clean house.

Umm...WHAT? :eek:

Drolefille 06-25-2010 04:10 PM

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He stated in his report that the 86 year-old plaintiff 'took a more aggressive posture in her bed,' and that he was fearful for his safety and the safety of others.
SERIOUSLY?
You'd think peer pressure would make them avoid doing this shit. I don't know why every other officer isn't mocking these guys to death for being scared of an 86 year old IN BED.
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"The police then grabbed Ms. Varner by her forearms and jerked hands together, causing her soft flesh to tear and bleed on her bed; they then handcuffed her.

Tinsley says the cops capped it all off by having his grandmother "placed in the psychiatric ward at the direction of the El Reno police; she was held there for six days and released."
"As a result of the wrongful arrest and detention, the plaintiff Lona M. Varner suffered the unlawful restraint of her freedom, bodily injury, assault, battery, the trashing of her apartment, humiliation, loss of personal dignity, infliction of emotional distress and medical bills."
They seek punitive damages for constitutional violations, from the City of El Reno, Duran, Officers Frank Tinga and Joseph Sandberg, and 10 Officers Does.
Go for it.

groovypq 06-25-2010 04:11 PM

That is just SICK.

She "took an aggressive posture on her bed"???? Unless she's pointing a gun, wtf kind of aggressive posture can one take on a bed?

Drolefille 06-25-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by groovypq (Post 1947471)
That is just SICK.

She "took an aggressive posture on her bed"???? Unless she's pointing a gun, wtf kind of aggressive posture can one take on a bed?

Welllllll

Lets just say there probably aren't any that would be done by an 86 year old on oxygen alone in her bed with family present.

But there are others.... ;)

Kevin 06-25-2010 04:20 PM

Just checked... no criminal charges pending. No reports of the officers being so much as sternly talked to.

groovypq 06-25-2010 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947473)
Welllllll

Lets just say there probably aren't any that would be done by an 86 year old on oxygen alone in her bed with family present.

But there are others.... ;)

I KNEW, just KNEW, someone would go there... :D

Drolefille 06-25-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1947477)
Just checked... no criminal charges pending. No reports of the officers being so much as sternly talked to.

I'm not one who assumes that all cops are thugs or anything, but the one thing that bothers me is that cops frequently get away with their own crimes, even DUIs. I believe that as officers of the law they should be held to a higher standard.

I don't know how to enforce that when they're on the job.

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Originally Posted by groovypq (Post 1947478)
I KNEW, just KNEW, someone would go there... :D

Hey. Someone's gotta do it. Now where did I leave that crop?

dreamseeker 06-25-2010 04:49 PM

this can't be real. wtf?

DaemonSeid 06-25-2010 05:05 PM

Drole is going to hell in flammable granny panties

Drolefille 06-25-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1947493)
Drole is going to hell in flammable granny panties

But at least I'll have fun on the way there :cool:

RU OX Alum 06-25-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947483)
I'm not one who assumes that all cops are thugs or anything, but the one thing that bothers me is that cops frequently get away with their own crimes, even DUIs. I believe that as officers of the law they should be held to a higher standard.

I don't know how to enforce that when they're on the job.



Hey. Someone's gotta do it. Now where did I leave that crop?


Not sure if I agree with that, but how about an equal standard?

Drolefille 06-25-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1947498)
Not sure if I agree with that, but how about an equal standard?

No, quite frankly too many people get off too lightly on DUIs even when they kill someone. Raise that standard first and I might agree.

agzg 06-25-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947500)
No, quite frankly too many people get off too lightly on DUIs even when they kill someone. Raise that standard first and I might agree.

Are you thinking of the case in Chicago recently? Live-in has a friend who knew the victims... so sad.

Drolefille 06-25-2010 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1947504)
Are you thinking of the case in Chicago recently? Live-in has a friend who knew the victims... so sad.

No nothing specific, and I don't know the numbers to be honest, but they have "get out of your DUI easy" lawyers in a box around here. I'm not sure they're even lawyers tbh. And around here there are so many country bars on country roads that people think it's safe to drive while drunk.

And there was a recent story of a cop who was the second car heading towards a stop, and was speeding at 80+ and apparently texting at the same time. I'm fuzzy on the details of that one and can't find an article atm though.

Sometimes your average every day citizen gets off for things and I don't think officers should get that lenience (and often more lenience). It looks bad and lowers the trust people have in them. It's not particularly fair.

DrPhil 06-25-2010 05:31 PM

He should've just punched her.

RU OX Alum 06-25-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947507)
No nothing specific, and I don't know the numbers to be honest, but they have "get out of your DUI easy" lawyers in a box around here. I'm not sure they're even lawyers tbh. And around here there are so many country bars on country roads that people think it's safe to drive while drunk.

And there was a recent story of a cop who was the second car heading towards a stop, and was speeding at 80+ and apparently texting at the same time. I'm fuzzy on the details of that one and can't find an article atm though.

Sometimes your average every day citizen gets off for things and I don't think officers should get that lenience (and often more lenience). It looks bad and lowers the trust people have in them. It's not particularly fair.

How is holding anyone to a double standard fair? The law should apply equally to everyone.

RU OX Alum 06-25-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1947509)
He should've just punched her.

That would have been jaw relocation by cop.

Drolefille 06-25-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1947562)
How is holding anyone to a double standard fair? The law should apply equally to everyone.

The law's just a social construct. If you believe in it you're stupid.

Because I say so.

RU OX Alum 06-25-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1947570)
The law's just a social construct. If you believe in it you're stupid.

Because I say so.

Okay yorkist.

Drolefille 06-25-2010 11:04 PM

Another article with more and relevant information omitted in the original (still shouldn't taze the old lady)

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Police have admitted using a Taser to incapacitate the suicidal woman Dec. 22. Officer Duran wrote in a police report she pulled a kitchen knife from under her pillow and threatened to kill him. "I tried talking to Varner and calm her down but nothing would work," he reported.

The officer reported she took "a more aggressive posture on the bed" when other officers arrived. He reported she raised the knife above her head and said, "If you come any closer, you're getting the knife." He reported he feared she would injure someone.

Police went to the apartment Dec. 22 after her grandson called 911 for a paramedic to check on her. "She says ... her life is over. She wants to end it. ... She's taken some medicine. I don't know what she's taken," Tinsley said in the 911 call. "I can't get her to tell me what she took. ... She's kind of upset and everything else."
...
Duran reported Varner had looked him in the eyes after he arrived at the apartment and said to him, "If you try and get the knife I will stab you and kill you. I killed four Japs in World War II and I would not bat an eye killing you."

Duran also reported, Varner talked of killing police again after being taken to Parkview Hospital in El Reno. "Varner told me she was going to kill every officer that was in her apartment when she got out. Varner told me she was going to snap my neck like a twig just like she did during World War II."

Varner's attorney, Dell, said both Varner and the grandson said she told police to leave her apartment but they deny she threatened to kill officers. They also denied that she talked in the apartment of killing Japanese.

The grandson "said she didn't say anything like that at all at the apartment," the attorney said.

The grandson recalled she did say things at the hospital about having killed Japanese but "there was never any threats to the cops," the attorney said.


Read more: Source

PiKA2001 06-26-2010 12:31 AM

Hmmm....

RU OX Alum 06-26-2010 01:43 AM

I bet the cops are lying.

navane 06-26-2010 08:26 PM

Speaking as a Firefighter-EMT, I'm suspicious of the fact that the grandson called 911 asking for a Paramedic and 10 police officers showed up instead. That doesn't make sense to me. I can see one patrol car arriving on account of the report that she may have been suicidal....but 10 officers? And there's no mention of Paramedics having gotten there first? No, something's wrong there.

I have a feeling that the grandson told the dispatcher about granny's knife, or the dispatcher could hear gran screaming about killing in the background, and that's why half the police dept showed up. I mean, dispatchers do get stuff wrong sometimes, but this seems like a case where gran went off the deep end and the police were called for the assist. (For safety, law enforcement needs to clear the scene before firefighters or ambulance crew are allowed to come in).

I doubt that the police intentionally stepped on her oxygen tubing; it was probably an accident given all of the commotion. Though, because they are not likely EMTs, they probably didn't think to be more gentle with her when grabbing at her skin.

I'd be interested to listen to the tape of the 911 call.

.....Kelly :)

Kevin 06-27-2010 01:02 AM

newsok.com has the recording. No crazy granny in the background.

El Reno is a special place.

Drolefille 06-27-2010 01:18 AM

We have specially trained police here who come out with the EMTs for psych calls. Even when coming to one of our agency sites, they don't bring 10 people - so that's beyond weird - and we have suicidal people all the time. But we bring them onsite, and take some of our clients out there to talk to them about our clients' experiences.

Also included in their training is having them take a test, while listening to consistent "voices" over headphones and occasionally having someone yell at them. Welcome to some our paranoid schizophrenic individuals' lives.

Sounds like this police dept. has had trouble before though.

Kevin 06-27-2010 01:24 AM

From what I'm hearing, the caller was a known entity.

Still, I think a lot has to happen before the police department's behavior is understandable.

Drolefille 06-27-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1947921)
From what I'm hearing, the caller was a known entity.

Still, I think a lot has to happen before the police department's behavior is understandable.

Hey, most of my clients are known entities too :p

But, I agree I just hope that they are forced to fully explain their actions, preferably in front of a judge at this point.

However, while the police can take you to the ER to be evaluated, I don't know of any place in the US where the police can admit someone to a psych ward or hospital and then require someone to stay. Those decisions are made by a doctor and there are standards that have to be met to involuntarily admit someone even just for an observation period.

Unless the cops and docs have some sort of (unethical) deal where they auto-admit anyone the cops bring in, or the cops lied, she probably needed to be in the hospital and grandson should stop whining about that. (Hello, suicidal.)

cheerfulgreek 06-27-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1947498)
Not sure if I agree with that, but how about an equal standard?

Yep. This.:)


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