Dallas Police Chief son Killed in Shooting
 

We were visiting with my father-in-law and as we headed to the sno-cone place down the street on the way out, we saw police cars from Dallas, DeSoto and Lancaster. I figured it had to be something bad. :(



"A shootout in Lancaster on Sunday evening left three people dead, including a 37-year-old police officer with the Lancaster Police Department, a 23-year-old man and the 27-year-old son of Dallas Police Chief David Brown.

The police officer was shot and killed while responding to a shooting in progress at an apartment complex, located in the 900 block of River Bend Drive, at around 6:00 p.m. on Sunday. Two other people were also shot and killed in the shootout, including a man identified as Jeremy McMillian."


http://cbs11tv.com/local/chiefs.son....2.1762618.html

Thanks for the link.

They were very vague with the details when I heard about the shooting this morning. Sad situation all around.

yeah it took my husband and I both a while to find a good source with this info. It seem that they are trying to keep it hush hush. I'm wondering if the fallen officer is suspected of having shot the DPD chiefs' son....

ETA: WTF is this now? I hope not :confused:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/21/...led/index.html

Resident Tiffany James said it may have been a case of mistaken identity. "I heard the officer say, 'Ooh. I shot the wrong person,' and he busted out crying. Another officer grabbed him and hugged him," James told WFAA

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....c20ebd52.html

This pretty much sums up what happened. Pretty ugly. The chief's son shot the officer and another man.

This reads like a murder-suicide combined with suicide-by-cop.

They were just vague with the details on the evening news too... Hm..

Probably not releasing much yet. Pretty common.

I wonder if they'll play the race card.

Who is "they"?

rumor has it that another officer was also shot (initially they were reporting 4 shot) and they think he was shot by yet another police officer. I wonder how much truth there is to that?

Long standing thing between Dr.Phil and me about whether things exist actually or only as soceitial conceptions. She thinks the "race card" is not real, but thinks that "suicide by cop."

Basically, if there is no such thing as the "race card" then there is no such thing as "suicide by cop." because they were both pretty much just invented by the media. But if people who say there is no such thing as the "race card" continue to assert that anything is "suicide by cop" or "suicide" by anyone else for that matter, then I assert there is indeed a race card.

So this is suicide by cop until they play the race card.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Race is not a "card." The "race card" phrase was introduced around the time of the big affirmative action debates of the 1970s and 1980s to pretend as though people imagine and introduce race when it is not a factor. It is often an attempt to minimize the social significance of race and pretend that it is a figment of people's imaginations.

Suicide-by-cop is a form of suicide that was NOT created by the media. This form of suicide initially received much attention in the gang and criminal career literature and has received more research and community outreach over the past 10 years. This research and outreach has included attempted suicide-by-cop (thus, you get to talk to the people who attempted this form of suicide) and completed suicide-by-cop (in which you speak to the officers, family members, and examine the details of the situation).

Shut up.

*golf clap*

In reading RU's post again, I really don't know what the hell he's talking about.

Is he just griping about where the phrases and terminologies came from? I have no idea what his point is.

Somehow he thinks suicide by cop cannot be real unless the race card is real.

That's illogical and stupid.

And he thought this was an ongoing debate between the two of us. LOL. Yet another time to remind people that I don't remember everything I type and which username I type it to.

I never thought it was a debate. I thought it was us taking each other piss out, to borrow a phrase from the Englanders.

Wow.

No, actually I think that if you think either the race card is real or that suicide by cop is real, you are illogical and stupid.

You should really think about things before trying to speak for someone else.

Yeah, so anyone thinks that this was suicide by cop is stupid. And probably fat.

I actually know someone who committed suicide by cop. It certainly is real. Sure makes the officer feel great, too.

You can't even use the phrase appropriately.

No, you said, and I quote
You tied the two together and asserted one was real if the other was. Later by implication and now outright statement you have declared both to be false.

But, I'm sorry, Mr. Sociologist, please educate me on how social constructs are fabrications of the media and have no bearings in reality. Be sure to cite your work.

Oh wait, you'll just stick to insulting people who disagree with you. That's probably waaaay more effective.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...6fe25a66_o.gif

*nod* It's not nearly as common as people throw it out there, but it does happen. And it's cruel to the officers involved who really don't want someone's death on their conscience even if given "no choice."

No you actually don't.

If someone killed him, it isn't suicide.

How the officer feels is irrelevant. "Suicide by cop" is a construction of the media. It is meaningless and an illusion.

If someone else kills you, it isn't suicide. There are almost always alternatives.

And if the officer kills in self defense, then it is self-defense.

Yes, even if the persons who is killed wants to die, if he doesn't kill himself, then it isn't suicide.

Suicide is ONLY when you take your own life. Planning to die is different. It's different pscychology and it's different in a social context.

You're the one who called me stupid.

No it doesn't.

Ever.

It's actually a legal cause of death in England and also called "victim precipitated homicide"

Dear lord, at least start with wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop

There is nothing particularly comparable to suicide by cop, you can't say it's just planning to die. It requires setting the stage to have someone else kill you and because the cops are the only people who really GET to shoot other people (except in Texas) they're the only logical target in a non-militarized country.

How, precisely, is there different psychology involved? I'd love to hear.

No, I didn't. I swear, reading comprehension around here has gone down the tubes.

It never rains either. I said so.

Then what are you talking about? I never called you any names. And you said what I said was stupid, so that counts as you calling me stupid. You also gave me the finger via gif. I'm flattered.

And it's still called Homicide in England, not Suicide, so I think you proved my point for me.

And no one plays the race card either.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/may/10/ukcrime.ukguns


Stop trolling, you're making an ass of yourself.

And turning my serious news thread into a trainwreck. :(

Okay. None of that was suicide. It doesn't matter if he had a "cowboy attitude,"

This article proves my point further:

His plan wasn't to get killed, it was to kill others, in this case police. Just because he had a "cowboy attitude" and was willing to die doesn't mean that his intention was soley, or even at all, to end his own life. He was willing to be killed in order to kill. He has the mind of a killer.

ETA: It also doesn't matter that he left a note.

EATA: It really doesn't affect anywhere in civilization if it's from anywhere near yorkshire. Yes, that's me be classist.

If he'd wanted to kill someone, he probably would have just come out shooting, instead he was shot by a marksman.

And I didn't realize you actually had the ability to declare things true or false based on your opinion. AND, you haven't once backed up your claim that there is different psychology behind it.

So, instructors and psychologists for the FBI are run because RUOXAlum says so. I'm sure you have better credentials than a PhD or an MS, right?

Meh, I'm sorry. :(

I would put suicide by cop in the same category as jumping in front of a train. You do it on purpose, knowing you will be killed. If someone throws themselves in front of a train, the engineer driving the train is not charged with homicide. It is ruled a suicide.

You can argue that the name is stupid, but the process is the same. The person that dies sets out to force a police officer to kill him. They by definition are suicidal (want to die and are actively pursuing a course of action to bring on death.) The whole point is that the only reason the person in these cases is dead is because they purposely set out to die.

Is that from Zodiac?

/mycontributionstothisthread

I have no idea. I stole it from ONTD_politics or something.

anyways.... The son of the DPD Chief got a Police Officer funeral, says one of my friends who is from the area. What's that about!?

No, he did not get a police officer funeral. There is currently some controversy, because an on-duty officer ended up assigning some police cars to escort the funeral procession of the chief of police's son.
The officer has explained that other cars were weaving in and out of the funeral procession and not slowing down to let the procession by. The officer on duty did it as a safety precaution for the funeral procession. People are calling for his resignation because of "He gave a police escort to a police officer killer".