Claim: Bronx Students Forced To Clean School Toilets
 

Content-wise: That's terrible. Students (actually, anyone who's not a janitor) shouldn't be cleaning up waste, etc.

Journalism-wise: I'm upset that those are the BEST quotes they were able to gather. At least use partial quotes to make these kids sound SOMEWHAT intelligent.

"Like, that was, like, nasty to, like, clean, like, toilets. Like." - Fareal?

Poor little divas. I take it none of these kids have an after school job at a restaurant or plan on joining the military after graduation?

I see nothing wrong with this. I like the idea of having kids do chores around the school, it's a lot more productive than having them sit in a room for an hour (detention).

I agree that students should be doing something productive while in detention.

I disagree that cleaning toilets (which exposes the students to waste, diseases, etc) is the way to do it.

Not sure how the job and military references fit in, since cleaning toilets is NOT the job of students.

This.

When I worked at a fast food restaurant in high school I had to clean the restrooms there. When I was in basic training, we all had to clean the latrines. Yes, it was far from pleasent but I've yet to hear of any mcdonalds employee catching Ebola and dying from mopping a bathroom floor. If these students find this form of punishment so repulsive, maybe it will encourage them to change the behaviour that landed them in detention in the first place.

Is this a public school?

If they were wearing proper biohazard equipment and had been trained properly in dealing with biohazardous materials I don't have a problem with it but I somehow doubt that was the case.

So you were employed? Being paid? That's exactly the point that we're making.

These students are not. There are certainly ways for them to do chores/cleaning around school that does not expose them to biohazards as a punishment.

I think a pair of latex gloves would be adequate. Y'all are overly germaphobic here about these "disease spewing" toilets. You are probably exposed to the same amount of airborne germs using the toilets as you are cleaning them.

Cleaning bathrooms? That's sick. If they're in detention, that time should be used to study, not clean bathrooms. They should make detention on Saturday mornings from 8am to 12pm. That's how it was when I was in highschool. At first it was just an hour after school, but when they changed it to 4 hours on Saturdays, the number of students in detention went way down. I mean, who wants to get up at 7am on a Saturday to just sit in a classroom from 8am to noon?

F*ck that, I would of cleaned a bathroom any day over a Saturday detention. That's just sadistic.

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Hilarious! No one did. We all hated it. It happened to me once. Although, I got a lot of studying done that morning, I still hated it. But see how effective it is at keeping kids out of trouble? Plus, I don't think parents would have anywhere near as many objections to a 4 hour Saturday morning detention, like they would having their child forced to clean up feces and urine. That's just disgusting.

Then make your own kids clean toilets at home. It's a far cry from having untrained kids using industrial cleaners in a setting where there are rules and restrictions for safety for paid employees that are unlikely to be followed by unpaid, punished, children.

I'm pro-Saturday detentions, parents don't like having to drive the kids there, kids don't like being there, all sorts of motivation not to screw up.

This.
And this.

A student cleaning toilets for their job and them doing it at school are totally different situations to most people.

At the Catholic school I attended, students had to do this and worse as punishment. There were also work-study students who received full and partial tuition waivers for performing janitorial duties after school.

The danger aspect of this is rather trumped up. It's unpleasant, but detention should suck.

Wow. I went to an all girls Catholic highschool and we didn't have to do any of this. Saturday morning detention (in uniform) for 4 hours was bad enough.

Saturday detentions cost money that a lot of schools don't have in their budgets though. You have to pay someone to monitor, as well as the added utilities plus think of all the breakfast club shenanigans that will ensue

I've worked retail and my parents were both military. I'm no stranger to cleaning strange shit.

The bolded is the point, though. Those students received some sort of compensation for their duties. It wasn't used as a punishment. Your (general) school curriculum doesn't consist of learning and other duties as assigned.

It's still wrong to compare any job (work study or not) to using it as a punishment. Along with a dose of "just because it's been done doesn't mean it's ok."

No matter what you do for detention you have to supervise it, yet somehow I think you can manage to save money and not have kids forced to clean bathrooms, probably poorly.

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You ain't lyin.

Some schools still include discipline and respect as part of the educational experience. When you lack discipline and respect for your teachers, there ought to be painful consequences. In the past, that meant corporal punishment, now it means cleaning up disgusting stuff--typically, starting early in the morning on a weekend.

Cleaning toilets was a chore I did at home...it taught you to be clean and maintain a clean environment.

We are feeling sorry for these kids because of...what again?

Yea, you learned to keep YOUR environment clean. You weren't forced to wipe up Joe Random's piss at your house.

Not feeling sorry for them, but they should have been punished another way.

Cleaning your family's shit is much more fun and admirable than cleaning your classmates' shit.

Janitors are supposed to clean toilets in many of these schools. Let's not mess with their gainful employment. It's a recession, bitches. It's bad enough that prisoners are used to clean highways and make desks. Where are the jobs going? :eek:

*side eye*

I'd rather clean up after my family members (familiar with their medical histories) than after classmates/teachers/visitors (who may or may not have communicable diseases).

I'm just going to co-sign k_s for the rest of this thread.

Unless you say something stupid!

*side eye*

Now if that's not a siggy, I don't know what is...


I hope that wasn't stupid :o

Yes, it was.

They should've had NYPD punch each kid. That'll teach 'em. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Context :)

It's not like I said I would jump at the chance to pick up my sister's chip of shit.

Sarcasm. Picking up her shit is fun and admirable.

:o

Long day.

If they weren't busy being bad asses, they wouldn't have to clean toilets. Oh well, sucks to be them.

And before anybody gets pissy and asks if I would want my kids cleaning toilets, MY KIDS WOULDN'T BE BAD ASSES.

co-sign w/ Sen., kids are bad. If the janitor's been doing their job those bathrooms shouldn't be that bad anyways. I've subbed and volunteered in a variety of schools and the restrooms I've seen haven't been anything THAT awful (thank God).

If this will enrage them enough to straighten up and fly right, so be it. And I guarantee you na'an of this kids is cleaning toilets at home. They need to though.

Way to go, any kids you have will now definitely be bad asses.

You jinxed it.

Are you seriously worried about AIDS when you clean toilets? You lick the porcelen clean or something???

It's the extreme, but feces are full of bacteria. Schools have biohazard rules that probably prohibit students from cleaning the bathrooms. Hence the DoE getting involved.

I didn't want to say it earlier, but HIV really doesn't need to be part of this discussion.