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DaemonSeid 05-06-2010 04:47 PM

The reason why some of us aren't babydaddies turns 50.
 
(CBS) This week is the 50th anniversary of the pill, a medical breakthrough that has changed society and the sexual landscape forever.

It still has critics, but 100 million women around the world use it to control when and how many times they become pregnant.

Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards told CBS News, "The invention of the birth control pill revolutionized life for women in America. It's completely changed women's options."

The Pill promised to free women from biological bonds, and it did just that.

In the 1950s, women made up about a third of the workforce. Today, women hold nearly half of all U.S. jobs. In the 1950s, American women on average had 3.8 children. Today, that number has dropped to 2.1.

Richards said, "It made them able to pursue high education, pursue careers and plan the size of their families, which was something they could never do before."

For the first decade after its creation, the pill could only be legally prescribed to married women. However, even with that condition, it was condemned by the Catholic Church and many conservatives.

Historian Ellen Chesler, author of "Woman of Valor: Margaret Sanger and the Birth Control Movement in America," said, "It was really considered immoral to suggest that women's primary role should not be that of wife and mother, but rather that women should have rights to experience their sexuality free of consequence, just like men have always done."

Gloria Steinem, a longtime leading feminist, said on "The Early Show" Thursday that sexual acceptance with The Pill was the subject of her first piece in Esquire magazine in 1962.

"I ended up saying that the problem was the acceptance of women's sexuality, as much as the women's ability to control it. Were there enough liberated men to go around to the newly liberated women? Which turned out to be kind of prescient."


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DrPhil 05-06-2010 05:16 PM

The title of this thread is a thread in and of itself. LOL.

Munchkin03 05-06-2010 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1925664)
The title of this thread is a thread in and of itself. LOL.

Haha, I'm pretty sure whatever madmax is calling himself will show up and make some silly racialist comments.

KSUViolet06 05-06-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925666)
Haha, I'm pretty sure whatever madmax is calling himself will show up and make some silly racialist comments.

Get a job and take care of your kids.

/madmax

DrPhil 05-06-2010 05:50 PM

LOL. That's one of the topics.

I was thinking more along the lines of "where's the condom?"

dreamseeker 05-06-2010 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1925664)
The title of this thread is a thread in and of itself. LOL.

i had to read it twice to understand it. but that could be because i'm on my nth glass of crown royal & coke w lime :o

DaemonSeid 05-06-2010 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamseeker (Post 1925681)
i had to read it twice to understand it. but that could be because i'm on my nth glass of crown royal & coke w lime :o

where is my glass?

VandalSquirrel 05-06-2010 08:34 PM

I wonder how many woman take it for reasons unrelated to pregnancy, like endometriosis, PCOS, dysmennorhea, regularity, acne, cramps, being able to skip a month for vacation, and so on. I don't know a lot of women who take the pill/path/ring just for birth control, and many use condoms anyway because of STDs and a back up barrier method.

aephi alum 05-06-2010 09:18 PM

"The reason why some of us aren't babydaddies" ... interesting way of putting it. It's also the reason why some of us aren't babymamas, the reason why some of us haven't had to seek (or had our partners seek) illegal abortions and suffer through the complications thereof, and the reason why some of us don't have more children than we can support financially and psychologically.

epchick 05-06-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1925711)
I wonder how many woman take it for reasons unrelated to pregnancy...

Me!


Ironically, a few of my friends who are pregnant now, were on BC when they got pregnant. Reminds me of the Friends episode when Ross & Joey find out that condoms are only like 97% effective lol.

DrPhil 05-06-2010 09:36 PM

Welcome to Sex Ed!

The video that I watched earlier discussed how the pill marked the symbolic end of women being relegated to barefoot and pregnant status.

33girl 05-06-2010 09:45 PM

If you've ever seen the TV version of David Halberstam's book The Fifties, they talk about The Pill in one of the episodes. The impetus for it was married women and women in underdeveloped children who didn't want to have any more kids - NOT for a sexual revolution for young single women. One of the unintended consequences was that the daughters started taking Mom's pills and replacing them with aspirin, leading to a very surprised Mom when she subsequently got pregnant.

DrPhil 05-06-2010 09:48 PM

^^ Oh snap!

The pill only permitted for married women for the first decade or so. Interesting shift in norms.

I wish I could find the videos from the 50th anniversary story that I saw earlier. It showed the first sitcoms ever and how they referenced the pill.

KSUViolet06 05-06-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1925732)
Me!


Ironically, a few of my friends who are pregnant now, were on BC when they got pregnant. Reminds me of the Friends episode when Ross & Joey find out that condoms are only like 97% effective lol.

The thing with the Pill is that it's only fully effective when you're taking it EXACTLY as it is supposed to be taken. You'd be surprised how many women do not know how to (because they didn't read the directions lol). They forget to take it, then forget to take the extra one you need to get back on track, and they don't read the package that says you need to use a back up method if you miss Pills. Then surprise, they're pregnant.

Or they are taking the Pill, and taking an antibiotic at the same time. If you read the package, it says if you take the Pill with an antibiotic, you need to have a back-up method because you could get pregnant.

DrPhil 05-06-2010 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1925764)
Or they are taking the Pill, and taking an antibiotic at the same time. If you read the package, it says if you take the Pill with an antibiotic, you need to have a back-up method because you could get pregnant.

But, when they talk to some gynecologists they are told that disclaimer is only a disclaimer and it only applies to a small % of Pill-antibiotic cases.

KSUViolet06 05-06-2010 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1925778)
But, when they talk to some gynecologists they are told that disclaimer is only a disclaimer and it only applies to a small % of Pill-antibiotic cases.


It might not be a huge %. But I know people who have babies that are a result of Pill-antibiotic, so anytime anyone asks me (I'm not a Dr) I tell them they should probably use a back-up if they need to take both. Better safe than baby. lol.

christiangirl 05-06-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1925786)

Better safe than baby.

I'm stealing this just so you know. :)

33girl 05-06-2010 11:01 PM

Oh, and don't take Pill and St John's Wort. Neither will work.

VandalSquirrel 05-06-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1925786)

It might not be a huge %. But I know people who have babies that are a result of Pill-antibiotic, so anytime anyone asks me (I'm not a Dr) I tell them they should probably use a back-up if they need to take both. Better safe than baby. lol.

Also the topical medication for the sometimes resulting yeast infection from antibiotics breaks down latex, so condoms, diaphragms, and the ring all lose effectiveness. The diflucan pill is a great for women in those situations, and it is also prescribed for men with fungal infections, since often men get yeast infections from their partners and need treatment to stop reinfecting their partner.

Munchkin03 05-07-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1925786)

It might not be a huge %. But I know people who have babies that are a result of Pill-antibiotic, so anytime anyone asks me (I'm not a Dr) I tell them they should probably use a back-up if they need to take both. Better safe than baby. lol.

Honestly? I think most of the people who say things like "the condom broke," or "I was on antibiotics" aren't telling the truth and just don't want to admit that they just weren't careful that time. I know that there are legitimate cases of birth control failure, but not as many as our peers would have us believe!

There are some great articles out this week in various magazines about the impact of the Pill on women's lives.

AOII Angel 05-07-2010 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925928)
Honestly? I think most of the people who say things like "the condom broke," or "I was on antibiotics" aren't telling the truth and just don't want to admit that they just weren't careful that time. I know that there are legitimate cases of birth control failure, but not as many as our peers would have us believe!

There are some great articles out this week in various magazines about the impact of the Pill on women's lives.

THIS!

I Love, Love, LOVE my pill! Thank you to the makers of LYBREL! No period since July 2009!

AGDee 05-07-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925928)
Honestly? I think most of the people who say things like "the condom broke," or "I was on antibiotics" aren't telling the truth and just don't want to admit that they just weren't careful that time. I know that there are legitimate cases of birth control failure, but not as many as our peers would have us believe!

There are some great articles out this week in various magazines about the impact of the Pill on women's lives.

Well, I had two legitimate birth control failures. One resulted in a miscarriage since I was on the pill. That one had to do with trying one of the tricyclic pills when they were still pretty new. Problem was, I ovulated twice a month almost every month and the tricyclic one only stopped one of them due to the expected timing of ovulation being skewed for me. I still don't understand how my daughter is here though :) Condoms and foam together, every single time, no antibiotics.. no clue how that happened. But, she's wonderful and our wedding was already planned so we dealt with it.

I think the number of women who claim to be on the pill for reasons other than birth control is what's really inflated. I think women are still afraid to admit that they just want to be protected any time so that they can do what they want. I had several friends in college claim they were on it for cramps when they didn't have boyfriends. I think it's ok for women to say "Look, I'm on it because I want to make sure I don't get pregnant if I decide to have sex." Maybe that's changed some since I was in college, but I still think a lot of women say that to justify being on birth control.

AGDee 05-07-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1925933)
THIS!

I Love, Love, LOVE my pill! Thank you to the makers of LYBREL! No period since July 2009!

Double posting but, I do have to say, I loved the 5 years that I was on the Depo shot :) Not having a period for 5 years was absolutely wonderful! Then I hit 40 and no doc would give me anything hormonal anymore thanks to my dad's heart disease (even though ALL my numbers are great and I've had an echo that shows I do not have his heart disease for sure).

I should be almost done with them altogether. I'm thick into perimenopause and went 3 months last time. I was actually starting to think that maybe I was done. It's been 2 months since that time.. maybe I'll go even longer this time! w00t!

Munchkin03 05-07-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1925935)
Well, I had two legitimate birth control failures. One resulted in a miscarriage since I was on the pill. That one had to do with trying one of the tricyclic pills when they were still pretty new. Problem was, I ovulated twice a month almost every month and the tricyclic one only stopped one of them due to the expected timing of ovulation being skewed for me. I still don't understand how my daughter is here though :) Condoms and foam together, every single time, no antibiotics.. no clue how that happened. But, she's wonderful and our wedding was already planned so we dealt with it.

I think the number of women who claim to be on the pill for reasons other than birth control is what's really inflated. I think women are still afraid to admit that they just want to be protected any time so that they can do what they want. I had several friends in college claim they were on it for cramps when they didn't have boyfriends. I think it's ok for women to say "Look, I'm on it because I want to make sure I don't get pregnant if I decide to have sex." Maybe that's changed some since I was in college, but I still think a lot of women say that to justify being on birth control.

Look, I didn't discount actual birth control failures. After all, all methods are pretty clear that the risk of pregnancy is still there, even with "perfect" use. I just don't think everyone who says "oh, I was on antibiotics" or "the condom broke" is telling the truth. It happens, but maybe 3-5 percent of the time, as opposed to the 25% or so my friends have reported. :)

I do agree that not as many people are taking the pill for cramps, acne, or the other stuff. Part of that is a lot of insurance carriers didn't always cover the pill for contraceptive uses only, so doctors would diagnose something else. I think that's less of an issue now than it was even 10 years ago, though. Also, keep in mind that when the Pill first came out, many doctors would only prescribe it to married women who had a history of "irregular periods." Apparently, the rate of women who reported "irregular periods" doubled from 1960 to 1970.

AGDee 05-07-2010 09:46 AM

I know you didn't :) I wasn't taking it personally.

I hadn't thought about the insurance aspect for having another reason to "need" them. I've been lucky to have my insurance cover them or, when it didn't (like in college), I went to Planned Parenthood or WomanCare for them and only paid like $4 a month then (while battling my way through the line of abortion protestors, I might add... dang they used to piss me off!)

AOII Angel 05-07-2010 09:54 AM

I also think that there is a large proportion of women who do not take their pills correctly, ie. skip doses, don't take them at the same time every day. These little things will make your hormones fluctuate and can allow you to ovulate. If you don't take your pills right EVERY time, you MUST use a second form of birth control, ie. condoms!

Munchkin03 05-07-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1925944)
I know you didn't :) I wasn't taking it personally.

I hadn't thought about the insurance aspect for having another reason to "need" them. I've been lucky to have my insurance cover them or, when it didn't (like in college), I went to Planned Parenthood or WomanCare for them and only paid like $4 a month then (while battling my way through the line of abortion protestors, I might add... dang they used to piss me off!)

I went on it for purely contraceptive reasons, but my first doctor told me that if my insurance ever gave me grief, she would say that it was for cramps. She had been practicing for about 25 years at that point and knew which companies wouldn't cover it. She was great--she ended up retiring because of how expensive malpractice insurance was for Florida OB/GYNs. :(

I can't stand those protesters. I used to volunteer as a clinic escort at a place that did early abortions and D&Cs (along with other procedures--it was a normal clinic). It would suck to have to go in for a post-miscarriage D&C or even like a broken toe and have protesters yelling at you.

agzg 05-07-2010 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925941)
Look, I didn't discount actual birth control failures. After all, all methods are pretty clear that the risk of pregnancy is still there, even with "perfect" use. I just don't think everyone who says "oh, I was on antibiotics" or "the condom broke" is telling the truth. It happens, but maybe 3-5 percent of the time, as opposed to the 25% or so my friends have reported. :)

I do agree that not as many people are taking the pill for cramps, acne, or the other stuff. Part of that is a lot of insurance carriers didn't always cover the pill for contraceptive uses only, so doctors would diagnose something else. I think that's less of an issue now than it was even 10 years ago, though. Also, keep in mind that when the Pill first came out, many doctors would only prescribe it to married women who had a history of "irregular periods." Apparently, the rate of women who reported "irregular periods" doubled from 1960 to 1970.

I've had condoms break before but it did not result in pregnancy. I'm not on the pill, either, so... it was a very nervous couple of weeks.

DrPhil 05-07-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925928)
Honestly? I think most of the people who say things like "the condom broke," or "I was on antibiotics" aren't telling the truth and just don't want to admit that they just weren't careful that time. I know that there are legitimate cases of birth control failure, but not as many as our peers would have us believe!

Damn, you read my mind.

KSUViolet06 05-07-2010 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1925928)
Honestly? I think most of the people who say things like "the condom broke," or "I was on antibiotics" aren't telling the truth and just don't want to admit that they just weren't careful that time. I know that there are legitimate cases of birth control failure, but not as many as our peers would have us believe!

There are some great articles out this week in various magazines about the impact of the Pill on women's lives.

Or that. lol.

There are alot of people who are just not careful and wonder why they have an "oops baby."

I don't know if it's a 20something age group thing, but I think that it's perpetuated that "accidental pregnancies" are a teen thing. But I am finding that there are quite a few 20somethings with "oops babies" too.

DrPhil 05-07-2010 01:58 PM

The ooops baby thing isn't a 20something thing. It began before these 20somethings were born and has impacted particular demographics.

AOII Angel 05-07-2010 02:04 PM

And, they make emergency contraception for these oops moments! Plan B doesn't even require a prescription anymore. Pharmacies are required to carry it. If you take it within 72 hours of unprotected sex, it has a very high rate of preventing an unwanted pregnancy. It is NOT an abortion, but only a very high dose of birth control pills.

SydneyK 05-07-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1926033)
And, they make emergency contraception for these oops moments! Plan B doesn't even require a prescription anymore. Pharmacies are required to carry it. If you take it within 72 hours of unprotected sex, it has a very high rate of preventing an unwanted pregnancy.

But if you were on the Pill and end up with a true oops pregnancy, this kind of emergency contraception wouldn't help. Sure, it's great for "I wasn't careful" kind of moments, but not for "my Pill, which I took as directed, failed" kind of moments.

Munchkin03 05-07-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1926023)

I don't know if it's a 20something age group thing, but I think that it's perpetuated that "accidental pregnancies" are a teen thing. But I am finding that there are quite a few 20somethings with "oops babies" too.

...and quite a few 30somethings and 40somethings with "oops babies" too. :) I don't think either set of my grandparents were exactly planning to have another baby when their oldest kids were in college. We're not Catholic or Orthodox Jewish or even Duggars!

AOII Angel 05-07-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1926048)
But if you were on the Pill and end up with a true oops pregnancy, this kind of emergency contraception wouldn't help. Sure, it's great for "I wasn't careful" kind of moments, but not for "my Pill, which I took as directed, failed" kind of moments.

No...I was talking about the "I know I screwed up and didn't take my pill or the condom popped or forgot I was taking antibiotics" kind of screw ups which are the most common kinds of birth control failures. The pill is over 99% effective if taken correctly which makes it VERY rare for those oops to happen.

DrPhil 05-07-2010 03:12 PM

Ooops, I did it again...
I played with your heart...
Got lost in the game...

Sorry.

AOII Angel 05-07-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1926052)
Ooops, I did it again...
I played with your heart...
Got lost in the game...

Sorry.

Oh Britney...you oops'd twice!

KSUViolet06 05-07-2010 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1926049)
...and quite a few 30somethings and 40somethings with "oops babies" too. :) I don't think either set of my grandparents were exactly planning to have another baby when their oldest kids were in college. We're not Catholic or Orthodox Jewish or even Duggars!

Ha. Kind of like my friend's mom having my my friend (married, 27, out of the house), her brother (23, college grad, out of house), her sister (21 college student, living away at school), and being pregnant with #4 and due in August (she stopped using contraceptives because she figured she was older and headed for menopause so she "couldn't get pregnant") Cue the oops! They laugh about it now, but she says it was sooo not funny at first.

DrPhil 05-07-2010 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1926054)
Oh Britney...you oops'd twice!

This reminds me of the sex ed scenes in The 40 Year Old Virgin.

Munchkin03 05-07-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1926007)
I've had condoms break before but it did not result in pregnancy. I'm not on the pill, either, so... it was a very nervous couple of weeks.

Yeah, it happens. I never said it didn't. I just don't think everyone who blames a pregnancy on a condom breaking is telling the truth. I think the NIH reports the condom breakage rate at somewhere between 2 and 3 percent. In my peer group it's allegedly 25%, LOL.

It's kind of like deviated septums and nose jobs. I'm sure there are people out there whose septums really were deviated and they needed that nose job! For most of them? Not so much.


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