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shadow267 04-30-2010 08:24 PM

Leaving a fraternity to join another
 
Hey, I'm looking for help for a friend of mine. I don't really know how fraternities work and found this site looking for information. My friend joined a fraternity, however after rethinking things and a fraternity coming back on campus he decided he wants to change but isn't sure how or if its possible. I know I've heard that once your join your stuck for life and can't join another but is it different if he wants to leave an NIC fraternity to join a black fraternity (NPHC). Or are all the rules universal.

ree-Xi 04-30-2010 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923595)
Hey, I'm looking for help for a friend of mine. I don't really know how fraternities work and found this site looking for information. My friend joined a fraternity, however after rethinking things and a fraternity coming back on campus he decided he wants to change but isn't sure how or if its possible. I know I've heard that once your join your stuck for life and can't join another but is it different if he wants to leave an NIC fraternity to join a black fraternity (NPHC). Or are all the rules universal.

Tell your "friend" he's "stuck for life".

BTW, for not knowing "how fraternities work," you know a lot about the different councils.

ThetaPrincess24 04-30-2010 08:44 PM

I think he is his "friend."

KSUViolet06 04-30-2010 08:47 PM

LOL @ not knowing anything about fraternities but knowing the appropriate abbreviation for a major council--or really knowing that there are councils PERIOD. My non-Greek friends (with zero interest in Greek pursuits) don't know that.


Psi U MC Vito 04-30-2010 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923595)
Hey, I'm looking for help for a friend of mine. I don't really know how fraternities work and found this site looking for information. My friend joined a fraternity, however after rethinking things and a fraternity coming back on campus he decided he wants to change but isn't sure how or if its possible. I know I've heard that once your join your stuck for life and can't join another but is it different if he wants to leave an NIC fraternity to join a black fraternity (NPHC). Or are all the rules universal.

News flash for you. 4 of the 5 NPHC fraternities are also NIC.

shadow267 04-30-2010 09:02 PM

Well, I'll tell him that then, and I know the terms cause he explained to me the situation and wanted me to help look for an answer to it. Thanks for the help though, unless anyone knows anything else.

Titchou 04-30-2010 10:38 PM

I know 2 men who are members of an NPHC group and an NIC group. It can happen but he'd have to check with the particular groups to find out if they do. (And yes I know which groups my friends are in but I'm not going to post them here.)

knight_shadow 04-30-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923631)
I know 2 men who are members of an NPHC group and an NIC group. It can happen but he'd have to check with the particular groups to find out if they do. (And yes I know which groups my friends are in but I'm not going to post them here.)

:confused:

At the same time?

Psi U MC Vito 04-30-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923631)
I know 2 men who are members of an NPHC group and an NIC group. It can happen but he'd have to check with the particular groups to find out if they do. (And yes I know which groups my friends are in but I'm not going to post them here.)

Is the NPHC group Omega Psi Phi?

ree-Xi 04-30-2010 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923606)
Well, I'll tell him that then, and I know the terms cause he explained to me the situation and wanted me to help look for an answer to it. Thanks for the help though, unless anyone knows anything else.

Lol @ perpetuating the "friend" story. Cuz, like, he can't come here himself to ask the question.

Titchou 05-01-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923635)
Is the NPHC group Omega Psi Phi?

I said I wouldn't post them here. I wouldn't do that without asking permission and there really isnt any point as the OP didn't name the groups. And maybe in his area of the country it isn't as common as in others. I'm a member of an NPC group so I don't want to talk about things I know little about. But I will say that the NPHC group and the NIC group are both better known ones.

Psi U MC Vito 05-01-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923691)
I said I wouldn't post them here. I wouldn't do that without asking permission and there really isnt any point as the OP didn't name the groups. And maybe in his area of the country it isn't as common as in others. I'm a member of an NPC group so I don't want to talk about things I know little about. But I will say that the NPHC group and the NIC group are both better known ones.

If it isn't Omega, then a big no no is involved. That was why I asked. They are the ONLY NPHC that is not NIC as well.

Titchou 05-01-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923696)
If it isn't Omega, then a big no no is involved. That was why I asked. They are the ONLY NPHC that is not NIC as well.

Just wondering, what about folks who were Alpha's and "XXX's" before they joined NIC? Did they have to give up one membership or the other?

Psi U MC Vito 05-01-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923711)
Just wondering, what about folks who were Alpha's and "XXX's" before they joined NIC? Did they have to give up one membership or the other?

That's actually a very good question that I have no idea the answer to. Though of course it doesn't matter for the OP, but that is something I want to find out now lol.

ETA: Though thinking on it now, I wouldn't see somebody being force to forsake their oaths because of something out of their control. So yes I can see that working.

Titchou 05-01-2010 10:52 AM

True, I wouldn't think they would make someone do that. Just sort of curious about the whole thing, though. Does this mean you're going to research it and let me know???(LOL!)

Psi U MC Vito 05-01-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923715)
True, I wouldn't think they would make someone do that. Just sort of curious about the whole thing, though. Does this mean you're going to research it and let me know???(LOL!)

HA! I might actually.

agzg 05-01-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923595)
Hey, I'm looking for help for a friend of mine. I don't really know how fraternities work and found this site looking for information. My friend joined a fraternity, however after rethinking things and a fraternity coming back on campus he decided he wants to change but isn't sure how or if its possible. I know I've heard that once your join your stuck for life and can't join another but is it different if he wants to leave an NIC fraternity to join a black fraternity (NPHC). Or are all the rules universal.

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923606)
Well, I'll tell him that then, and I know the terms cause he explained to me the situation and wanted me to help look for an answer to it. Thanks for the help though, unless anyone knows anything else.

Your "friend" is an idiot if he thinks this type of shady business is going to go over well on campus.

shadow267 05-01-2010 02:11 PM

Right ok then, aside from the few of you on that "his friend is really himself accusations" thanks. I was only asking cause while browsing the internet a old thread from this site was talking about how the two groups have different rules, it was a thread about leaving and joining as well. After reading around, and listening to all of you though I think he's an idiot for joining a fraternity anyway.

knight_shadow 05-01-2010 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923739)
Right ok then, aside from the few of you on that "his friend is really himself accusations" thanks. I was only asking cause while browsing the internet a old thread from this site was talking about how the two groups have different rules, it was a thread about leaving and joining as well. After reading around, and listening to all of you though I think he's an idiot for joining a fraternity anyway.

Shut up.

RU OX Alum 05-01-2010 10:49 PM

The guys in the fraternity he quits will think he's a traitor. The guys in the one he wants to pledge will thing the same thing and not give him a bid.

shadow267 05-02-2010 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1923741)
Shut up.


kiss my ***, if this is how frat life is i don't know how anyone could join the stuff. I'm gonna tell him to do w/e to leave and not to join another one, everywhere I've went to ask about this ppl have been a*****, jesus christ is it the internet or are you all like this.

moe.ron 05-02-2010 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923849)
kiss my ***, if this is how frat life is i don't know how anyone could join the stuff. I'm gonna tell him to do w/e to leave and not to join another one, everywhere I've went to ask about this ppl have been a*****, jesus christ is it the internet or are you all like this.

http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/...royal-fail.jpg

Psi U MC Vito 05-02-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923849)
kiss my ***, if this is how frat life is i don't know how anyone could join the stuff. I'm gonna tell him to do w/e to leave and not to join another one, everywhere I've went to ask about this ppl have been a*****, jesus christ is it the internet or are you all like this.

Wow what a surprise. Loyal Greeks have a problem that somebody wants to forsake his oaths. Yeah why do things like honor and loyalty matter.

agzg 05-02-2010 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923849)
kiss my ***, if this is how frat life is i don't know how anyone could join the stuff. I'm gonna tell him to do w/e to leave and not to join another one, everywhere I've went to ask about this ppl have been a*****, jesus christ is it the internet or are you all like this.

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/30403...nal/YouMad.jpg

Titchou 05-02-2010 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923716)
HA! I might actually.

Which brings me to another thought (now that we've hijacked this thread!)....
would that prohibition apply to joining a grad chapter of an NPHC group when the gentleman is already a member of an NIC group?

Psi U MC Vito 05-02-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Titchou (Post 1923871)
Which brings me to another thought (now that we've hijacked this thread!)....
would that prohibition apply to joining a grad chapter of an NPHC group when the gentleman is already a member of an NIC group?

Yes it would, unless they decided to join Omega. I have no idea what Omega's policies are, but they are not NIC, unlike the rest of the NPHC fraternities. And I realized a possible source for our earlier question. Paging Sen lol.

shadow267 05-02-2010 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923862)
Wow what a surprise. Loyal Greeks have a problem that somebody wants to forsake his oaths. Yeah why do things like honor and loyalty matter.


You know what now that you put it that way I see why all the hostility is there. It must be like some super powerful meaning in these frats, I just saw it as another group seeing all the hostility I apologize for my comment then, its just all beyond my comprehension of what it really means. But from what you did say I will tell him to check out this omega thing, all this drama just to say he's in a black group.

Psi U MC Vito 05-02-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shadow267 (Post 1923887)
You know what now that you put it that way I see why all the hostility is there. It must be like some super powerful meaning in these frats, I just saw it as another group seeing all the hostility I apologize for my comment then, its just all beyond my comprehension of what it really means. But from what you did say I will tell him to check out this omega thing, all this drama just to say he's in a black group.

I won't bs, just because Omega Psi Phi isn't NIC doesn't mean he will get a bid. They might have a policy that you could not have prior have been a member of a social fraternity. Quite a few do. And even if there wasn't such an official policy, the chapter might not choose to let him go through intake because of his prior affiliation. I would tell your friend to make the best of the fraternity he is in now.

Titchou 05-02-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923878)
Yes it would, unless they decided to join Omega. I have no idea what Omega's policies are, but they are not NIC, unlike the rest of the NPHC fraternities. And I realized a possible source for our earlier question. Paging Sen lol.

Thanks! Maybe he'll show and give us some insights.

rhoyaltempest 05-02-2010 08:25 PM

There appears to be a lot of assumptions being made here and no one from the NPHC fraternities has chimed in to set the record straight. I advise you or your "friend" to contact the organizations' headquarters and ask. And what might be true for one may not be true for the others. As far as I know regarding most (if not all of the NPHC organizations), members are not permitted to be in their NPHC org and another social/general fraternity or sorority, no matter the council or no council. To find out if this is true for the particular NPHC org that you are interested in, contact the organization's headquarters and ask. It is possible that the local chapter allowed someone already in a social/general organization to join and the national organization does not know and would not have approved. Also, when it comes to NPHC organizations, the rules apply to both undergrad and grad members. Active Grad/alumnae members are not part of an alumni association; they are full active members in the organization just like the undergrads.

KSUViolet06 05-02-2010 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1923863)


This picture will NEVER get old. Ever.

MysticCat 05-03-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923712)
That's actually a very good question that I have no idea the answer to. Though of course it doesn't matter for the OP, but that is something I want to find out now lol.

ETA: Though thinking on it now, I wouldn't see somebody being force to forsake their oaths because of something out of their control. So yes I can see that working.

If I remember right, though (please someone correct me if I'm not remembering right), when the Association of Education Sororities organizations (Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau, Pi Kappa Sigma, Delta Sigma Epsilon and Theta Sigma Upsilon) entered the NPC, anyone with dual membership in an NPC org and an AES org had to choose one and relinquish the other.

AOII Angel 05-03-2010 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1924158)
If I remember right, though (please someone correct me if I'm not remembering right), when the Association of Education Sororities organizations (Sigma Sigma Sigma, Alpha Sigma Alpha, Alpha Sigma Tau, Pi Kappa Sigma, Delta Sigma Epsilon and Theta Sigma Upsilon) entered the NPC, anyone with dual membership in an NPC org and an AES org had to choose one and relinquish the other.

You are correct...though, I think it is silly since they already know the ritual of both groups.

DrPhil 05-03-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1923888)
I won't bs, just because Omega Psi Phi isn't NIC doesn't mean he will get a bid. They might have a policy that you could not have prior have been a member of a social fraternity. Quite a few do. And even if there wasn't such an official policy, the chapter might not choose to let him go through intake because of his prior affiliation. I would tell your friend to make the best of the fraternity he is in now.


Yoda says: Sit down you for nothing you know.

DrPhil 05-03-2010 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1923994)
There appears to be a lot of assumptions being made here and no one from the NPHC fraternities has chimed in to set the record straight. I advise you or your "friend" to contact the organizations' headquarters and ask. And what might be true for one may not be true for the others. As far as I know regarding most (if not all of the NPHC organizations), members are not permitted to be in their NPHC org and another social/general fraternity or sorority, no matter the council or no council. To find out if this is true for the particular NPHC org that you are interested in, contact the organization's headquarters and ask. It is possible that the local chapter allowed someone already in a social/general organization to join and the national organization does not know and would not have approved. Also, when it comes to NPHC organizations, the rules apply to both undergrad and grad members. Active Grad/alumnae members are not part of an alumni association; they are full active members in the organization just like the undergrads.

"The Force" is strong with rhoyaltempest.

There is a rare occasion when dual membered morons slip through the cracks. That would not happen if people paid attention and/or stopped trying to stupidly bend the rules.

33girl 05-03-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1924171)
You are correct...though, I think it is silly since they already know the ritual of both groups.

It wasn't so much about ritual as it was, "you groups (AES) are coming into our house (NPC) and if you want to do this you have to sacrifice a little bit."

AOII Angel 05-03-2010 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1924211)
It wasn't so much about ritual as it was, "you groups (AES) are coming into our house (NPC) and if you want to do this you have to sacrifice a little bit."

Which is even more dumb:rolleyes: But then again, I wasn't born and hadn't installed my 1-800 advice line yet! :D


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