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ayakosbad 04-27-2010 02:04 PM

HUGE QUESTION; Sigma Pi Phi & Alpha Phi Alpha
 
I was doing my research on BGLOs and found that Alpha Phi Alpha was not the first BGLO it was Alpha Kappa Nu (Kappa Alpha Psi) which ended up failing. Then came Sigma Pi Phi (a highly secretive; for a while; BGLO that only opened up membership to highly established African American males, and is still an active fraternity.

If this is the case then why does Alpha Phi Alpha and every other BGLO recognize Alpha Phi Alpha as the FIRST?

I understand that Sigma Pi Phi did not open up membership to those in college (for a while, but when they did they changed their minds). I also understand that membership into Sigma Pi Phi was and still is highly selective and was known to only be for the African-American bourgeoisie. However it still doesn't erase the fact that when it comes to ESTABLISHED BGLOs Sigma Pi Phi is number one.

Another concern is that since this is true, why is it that when I was doing my research Sigma Pi Phi is never mentioned. Is it taboo because the first BGLO had such discriminating taste against their own race? I must know. Is it only called Divine Nine instead of Divine Ten because Alpha Phi Alpha did not affiliate themselves with Sigma Pi Phi but yet there were members like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who carried dual membership in both organizations?

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyway. Can someone just answer my question?

Thank You.

knight_shadow 04-27-2010 02:07 PM

This is not "huge" by any means.

And this topic has been discussed here in the past. Do a search.

DaemonSeid 04-27-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayakosbad (Post 1921875)
Can someone just answer my question?

No.

Use the search button.

ayakosbad 04-27-2010 02:08 PM

I did do a search and I am still searching through all of the forum postings.

DaemonSeid 04-27-2010 02:09 PM

Well you haven't searched hard enough...keep going.

Senusret I 04-27-2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayakosbad (Post 1921875)
I was doing my research on BGLOs and found that Alpha Phi Alpha was not the first BGLO it was Alpha Kappa Nu (Kappa Alpha Psi) which ended up failing. Then came Sigma Pi Phi (a highly secretive; for a while; BGLO that only opened up membership to highly established African American males, and is still an active fraternity.

If this is the case then why does Alpha Phi Alpha and every other BGLO recognize Alpha Phi Alpha as the FIRST?

I understand that Sigma Pi Phi did not open up membership to those in college (for a while, but when they did they changed their minds). I also understand that membership into Sigma Pi Phi was and still is highly selective and was known to only be for the African-American bourgeoisie. However it still doesn't erase the fact that when it comes to ESTABLISHED BGLOs Sigma Pi Phi is number one.

Another concern is that since this is true, why is it that when I was doing my research Sigma Pi Phi is never mentioned. Is it taboo because the first BGLO had such discriminating taste against their own race? I must know. Is it only called Divine Nine instead of Divine Ten because Alpha Phi Alpha did not affiliate themselves with Sigma Pi Phi but yet there were members like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who carried dual membership in both organizations?

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyway. Can someone just answer my question?

Thank You.

Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.

Animate 04-27-2010 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1921906)
Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.

Can't you just be difficult as usual???

Senusret I 04-27-2010 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Animate (Post 1921934)
Can't you just be difficult as usual???

:)

He wasn't being a dick about it, so I figured I could be nice for a change. I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

DrPhil 04-27-2010 04:43 PM

Oh yay this question again! Yaaaaaaay!

dreamseeker 04-27-2010 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayakosbad (Post 1921875)
I must know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1921935)
I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

lolz

Animate 04-27-2010 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1921935)
:)

He wasn't being a dick about it, so I figured I could be nice for a change. I mean, what else is there to do in a moratorium but research until you get burned out? Which he probably did.

man don't remind me...I was on my way to work just this morning and thought to myself "I'm in the mood for intake". Yeah thats unlikely to happen.

ayakosbad 04-27-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1921906)
Alpha Phi Alpha is the first among NPHC organizations.

Since you are in research mode, did you know the founder of Sigma Pi Phi later became an Alpha? WE ARE JUST THAT AWESOME.

By the way, Sigma Pi Phi is probably never mentioned in your research because the texts you're using are likely focusing on intercollegiate fraternities, which Sigma Pi Phi is not. It is a professional fraternity.


Thanks Senusret I for clarifying. In all the websites that I looked through it never mentioned Sigma Pi Phi as a professional fraternity which explains why there was dual memberships.

By the way I am FEMALE not interested in joining any organization. I am just researching for my personal benefit and getting an early start on a thesis for Sociology

DrPhil 04-27-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayakosbad (Post 1922021)
Thanks Senusret I for clarifying. In all the websites that I looked through it never mentioned Sigma Pi Phi as a professional fraternity which explains why there was dual memberships.

By the way I am FEMALE not interested in joining any organization. I am just researching for my personal benefit and getting an early start on a thesis for Sociology

I guess you had never heard of the Boule before and did not read their national website where it talks about founding a group of accomplished African American men who were already established in their fields. Either way, their national website has a link for the "History of the Boule." The answer to your question is in the first paragraph of the second page of the "History of the Boule," which is seven pages long.

Good luck on your thesis research and be prepared for actually doing research (not just website searches) where there is no GreekChat.com and SenusretI to give you quick answers.

VandalSquirrel 04-27-2010 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1922037)
I guess you had never heard of the Boule before and did not read their national website where it talks about founding a group of accomplished African American men who were already established in their fields. Either way, their national website has a link for the "History of the Boule." The answer to your question is in the first paragraph of the second page of the "History of the Boule," which is seven pages long.

Good luck on your thesis research and be prepared for actually doing research (not just website searches) where there is no GreekChat.com and SenusretI to give you quick answers.

I wonder how one would cite Senusret I for their thesis?

ayakosbad 04-28-2010 07:16 AM

Thanks Dr. Phil and LoL to VandalSquirrel. I don't actually have a thesis yet, I am just looking up interesting topics to me familiarizing myself with subject areas. Thanks everyone!

Elephant Walk 04-28-2010 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayakosbad (Post 1921875)
I was doing my research on BGLOs and found that Alpha Phi Alpha was not the first BGLO it was Alpha Kappa Nu (Kappa Alpha Psi) which ended up failing. Then came Sigma Pi Phi (a highly secretive; for a while; BGLO that only opened up membership to highly established African American males, and is still an active fraternity.

If this is the case then why does Alpha Phi Alpha and every other BGLO recognize Alpha Phi Alpha as the FIRST?

I understand that Sigma Pi Phi did not open up membership to those in college (for a while, but when they did they changed their minds). I also understand that membership into Sigma Pi Phi was and still is highly selective and was known to only be for the African-American bourgeoisie. However it still doesn't erase the fact that when it comes to ESTABLISHED BGLOs Sigma Pi Phi is number one.

Another concern is that since this is true, why is it that when I was doing my research Sigma Pi Phi is never mentioned. Is it taboo because the first BGLO had such discriminating taste against their own race? I must know. Is it only called Divine Nine instead of Divine Ten because Alpha Phi Alpha did not affiliate themselves with Sigma Pi Phi but yet there were members like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who carried dual membership in both organizations?

I am not trying to be disrespectful in anyway. Can someone just answer my question?

Thank You.

I just want to know why you had the secret code abbreviated for "are you a klansman" in your username.

Kind of creepy.

moe.ron 04-28-2010 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1922749)
I just want to know why you had the secret code abbreviated for "are you a klansman" in your username.

Kind of creepy.

Kinda curios, his username is a code?

agzg 04-28-2010 10:14 PM

I would like to know why there are pictures of the OP in her underwear on another website.

DrPhil 04-28-2010 10:15 PM

ummmm...this is all disturbing and I refuse to Google her/his username.

I will pretend that her/his name is just Ayako and she's/he's bad, hence "Ayakosbad."

Elephant Walk 04-28-2010 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1922761)
Kinda curios, his username is a code?

"I am looking for a Mr. Ayak" is a code used by KKK klansmen to find other clansmen. It is an acronym for Are you a klansmen? The response to this question, if one is a klansmen, is "My name is Mr. Akai."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=Mr.%20Ayak

and here's the non-urban dictionary citation of that:
http://books.google.com/books?id=LkQ...20ayak&f=false

Freakanomics had a bit on it.

And I googled what agzg did.

She's definitely a girl.

moe.ron 04-28-2010 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1922775)
"I am looking for a Mr. Ayak" is a code used by KKK klansmen to find other clansmen. It is an acronym for Are you a klansmen? The response to this question, if one is a klansmen, is "My name is Mr. Akai."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=Mr.%20Ayak

and here's the non-urban dictionary citation of that:
http://books.google.com/books?id=LkQ...20ayak&f=false

Freakanomics had a bit on it.

And I googled what agzg did.

She's definitely a girl.

Wow, learn something new everyday. Thanks man, would've have never known about it.

dreamseeker 04-28-2010 11:44 PM

half naked on the internet but still no friends? aww.

ayakosbad 05-03-2010 05:26 PM

Uhm wow im just seeing that; the power of google. However yea I have no freined because I am a looser (JK) and I haven't used that screen name in like forever. I will be taking the picture down. I was young and dumb then, Very Dumb :/

Anyways I am not affiliated with KKK, or anything of that sort.

ayako = Japanese for pretty girl
bad = I'm bad (take that how you want to)

Sorry for the picture disturbance and if I offended anybody. I wanted to be taken seriously and it ended up blowing up in my face.

Sorry.

BTW if anyone was wondering my research is going GREAT!

dreamseeker 05-03-2010 11:55 PM

lmao


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