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DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 07:29 AM

Is this pissed off doctor turning patients away?
 
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(WOFL FOX 35) - A note on a Mount Dora doctor's office front door reads: "If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere."

"If he's still an Obama supporter and he feels that his care is going to be impacted, I can't stop that. But that's not my intent," said Dr. Jack Cassell.


Cassell, 56, says he's not turning away patients or denying anyone care. Still, he won't be disappointed if Obama supporters are turned away after reading the sign and he doesn't hide his disdain for the newly passed health care reform legislation.

"I want them to understand that this doctor is so against what has happened, as every American should be at this point," adds Cassell.


The urologist, who keeps Republican materials in the waiting room, said he is not attempting to change his patient population, but wants to educate them.

"The people, who voted for Obama, are ultimately responsible for this to have happened, and they have to understand that they made a mistake," said Cassell.

Experts say Cassell is toeing a thin line between right and wrong. The physician has been practicing medicine in Lake County for 22 years. His wife, Leslie Campione , is running for Lake County Commission seat, District 4.

"You have two things to consider here," said Aaron Liberman, Chairman of the Department of Health Management at the University of Central Florida. "One is the free speech rights of every American to make a statement such as that, and secondly, you have the question of the doctor's judgment in making a statement like that."

dreamseeker 04-07-2010 08:30 AM

i swore that this was posted already. anyway, the good doctor essentially admitted that he doesn't know jack about the healthcare plan.

i <3 jon stewart.

RU OX Alum 04-07-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamseeker (Post 1914690)
i swore that this was posted already. anyway, the good doctor essentially admitted that he doesn't know jack about the healthcare plan.

i <3 jon stewart.

I saw that too, haha.

I don't really think it matters at all though. He has a right to conduct business in the way he sees fit.

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1914691)
I saw that too, haha.

I don't really think it matters at all though. He has a right to conduct business in the way he sees fit.

Ehhh...not exactly...there is this thing called the Hippocratic Oath and AMA Code of Ethics

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 09:23 AM

"The people, who voted for Obama, are ultimately responsible for this to have happened, and they have to understand that they made a mistake," said Cassell.

I know.:o:o:o

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914699)
"The people, who voted for Obama, are ultimately responsible for this to have happened, and they have to understand that they made a mistake," said Cassell.

I know.:o:o:o

So are you agreeing that people's voting are responsible for who he treats?

RU OX Alum 04-07-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914693)
Ehhh...not exactly...there is this thing called the Hippocratic Oath and AMA Code of Ethics

Yeah but he's not primary care. No one goes to him for an emergency. There are probably hundreds of urologists in the area, and this one probably just drove himself out of business. So why give him the attention? He probably only did this to get publicity for his wife's campaign anyway.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914700)
So are you agreeing that people's voting are responsible for who he treats?

I can't speak for anyone else, I can only speak for me. He said that those who voted for him "to make a change America" :rolleyes: made a mistake. I voted for him and I think I made a mistake.

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914704)
I can't speak for anyone else, I can only speak for me. He said that those who voted for him "to make a change America" :rolleyes: made a mistake. I voted for him and I think I made a mistake.

So if you had a bladder infection, went to his office to be seen and saw that sign you would...


Honestly at some point I would be concerned about his level of treatment if he is letting politics cloud his thinking about who he is treating.

MysticCat 04-07-2010 09:46 AM

Quoth the good doctor when asked why he's speaking out about something when he admits he doesn't "know what the deal is": "Well, I mean, I get what I get online, just like any other American."

If that's the case, he's doing potential patients a favor. I really don't think I'd want that buffoon doctoring my johnson.

DrPhil 04-07-2010 09:46 AM

He was successful at doing what he intended to do:

1) Get attention.
2) Speak out about the bill (even if he doesn't know much about the actual bill--95% of Americans don't, yet there are medical professionals and everyday citizens who are either pissed or excited about it for no damn reason)

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914706)
So if you had a bladder infection, went to his office to be seen and saw that sign you would...


Honestly at some point I would be concerned about his level of treatment if he is letting politics cloud his thinking about who he is treating.

I didn't say anything about the sign, I just said that I agree with him when he said that voting for Obama was a mistake. I don't think anyone who's sick and needs medical care should be turned away.

DrPhil 04-07-2010 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914709)
I didn't say anything about the sign, I just said that I agree with him when he said that voting for Obama was a mistake. I don't think anyone who's sick and needs medical care should be turned away.

In his very first interview (before the dumb media took this and ran with it), he said that his office doesn't turn anyone away. People who look past the sign and still seek treatment are treated. The people who see the sign and walk away--or complain--are a different story.

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914709)
I didn't say anything about the sign, I just said that I agree with him when he said that voting for Obama was a mistake. I don't think anyone who's sick and needs medical care should be turned away.

CG, the question is still on the table. This is a medical professional who has to treat you. He spoke out against the bill although he claims he has no real working knowledge of it (surprise there as most docs have NO idea how insurance really works) but you have to see him to have a condition treated.

Would you still go or seek treatment elsewhere?

Would you be concerned at the level of care he gives, knowing this?

My vote should never be a prerequisite for my medical treatment.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1914710)
In his very first interview (before the dumb media took this and ran with it), he said that his office doesn't turn anyone away. People who look past the sign and still seek treatment are treated. The people who see the sign and walk away--or complain--are a different story.

I know that. My post was just about what I highlighted in bold. I think Obama being in office is a mistake. That's all I'm saying. That sign was dumb and, it really isn't any of his business who voted and who didn't vote for Obama. I think anyone who goes to see a Dr. like that is dumb for letting him give them treatment.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914711)
CG, the question is still on the table. This is a medical professional who has to treat you. He spoke out against the bill although he claims he has no real working knowledge of it (surprise there as most docs have NO idea how insurance really works) but you have to see him to have a condition treated.

Would you still go or seek treatment elsewhere?

Would you be concerned at the level of care he gives, knowing this?

My vote should never be a prerequisite for my medical treatment.

I would seek treatment somewhere else.

DrPhil 04-07-2010 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914714)
I know that. My post was just about what I highlighted in bold. I think Obama being in office is a mistake. That's all I'm saying. That sign was dumb and, it really isn't any of his business who voted and who didn't vote for Obama. I think anyone who goes to see a Dr. like that is dumb for letting him give them treatment.

I didn't type that to "school" you. You don't think anyone should be turned away and that doctor is allegedly not really turning anyone away.

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914715)
I would seek treatment somewhere else.

And there is the problem. A patient should never have to seek another doctor because of this example.

If more doctors start drawing political lines as to who they will treat, just IMO only, they are violating many ethical rules that they themselves created in order to treat ALL who need to be treated.

To me, doctors don't really have the 'right' to turn away anyone due to a discriminatory preference and that is what I see here and scarily enough, this isn't the end of this.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1914716)
I didn't type that to "school" you. You don't think anyone should be turned away and that doctor is allegedly not really turning anyone away.

I know you weren't, DrPhil. I see what you're saying, it's just that to post a sign on the door like that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Who would want to be seen by a Dr. like that anyway?

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914719)
I know you weren't, DrPhil. I see what you're saying, it's just that to post a sign on the door like that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Who would want to be seen by a Dr. like that anyway?

You will be surprised.

Question for you: have you told any of your clients that you aren't feeling Obama? If you did, would it bother you if they took their pets elsewhere for medical care?

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914718)
And there is the problem. A patient should never have to seek another doctor because of this example.

If more doctors start drawing political lines as to who they will treat, just IMO only, they are violating many ethical rules that they themselves created in order to treat ALL who need to be treated.

To me, doctors don't really have the 'right' to turn away anyone due to a discriminatory preference and that is what I see here and scarily enough, this isn't the end of this.

I couldn't agree with you more. I was just agreeing with him when he said it was a mistake voting Obama as POTUS.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914720)
You will be surprised.

Question for you: have you told any of your clients that you aren't feeling Obama? If you did, would it bother you if they took their pets elsewhere for medical care?

I don't talk politics with my clients. I don't tell them any of my personal business.

DrPhil 04-07-2010 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914719)
I know you weren't, DrPhil. I see what you're saying, it's just that to post a sign on the door like that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Who would want to be seen by a Dr. like that anyway?

We don't know what that doctor's like. We see his media antics.

The problem, as I see it, is that the Internet and the media disseminate information about stupid people more and more everyday. Years ago, stupid people were only detected by those in their immediate audience. I think media and Internet-driven societies such as America no longer know what "news" is.

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1914723)
We don't know what that doctor's like. We see his media antics.

The problem, as I see it, is that the Internet and the media disseminate information about stupid people more and more everyday. Years ago, stupid people were only detected by those in their immediate audience. I think media and Internet-driven societies such as America no longer know what "news" is.

omg, this is SO true. I get clients all the time challenging me about their pets based on erroneous information that they get on the internet, and it's so frustrating.

33girl 04-07-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914718)
And there is the problem. A patient should never have to seek another doctor because of this example.

If more doctors start drawing political lines as to who they will treat, just IMO only, they are violating many ethical rules that they themselves created in order to treat ALL who need to be treated.

To me, doctors don't really have the 'right' to turn away anyone due to a discriminatory preference and that is what I see here and scarily enough, this isn't the end of this.

Gee, this has been happening for years to those of us with vaginas and ovaries. Funny how when it's happening to people with penii it's OMG BAD DOCTOR WHERE IS HIS OATH???

DaemonSeid 04-07-2010 11:18 AM

^^^^ HAAAAA!!!!!!!!

This whole story just pisses me off.

Psi U MC Vito 04-07-2010 11:48 AM

It seems to me to just be another politically unaware opposing the health care bill because it was pushed by the Democrats.

AKA_Monet 04-07-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1914729)
Gee, this has been happening for years to those of us with vaginas and ovaries. Funny how when it's happening to people with penii it's OMG BAD DOCTOR WHERE IS HIS OATH???

I found your comment funny... :D

It's liken to the viagra comments...

epchick 04-07-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914719)
Who would want to be seen by a Dr. like that anyway?

If he provides good medical care, why wouldn't you want to be seen by a Dr. like that?

My Gastroenterologist has signs up in different areas of his office about the new healthcare reform. Whether he supports it or not, I don't really care. If he was to put up a sign like that tomorrow, i'd still go to him. I don't have to have the same political beliefs as him, just like I don't have to have the same religious beliefs as my doctor(s).





And I know doctors should be more aware of the contents of the healthcare reform bill, since it does affect their business. But doctors are people too, and they can be misinformed as well. Doctors don't know everything.



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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1914729)
Gee, this has been happening for years to those of us with vaginas and ovaries. Funny how when it's happening to people with penii it's OMG BAD DOCTOR WHERE IS HIS OATH???

Yep.

AKA_Monet 04-07-2010 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1914686)
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(WOFL FOX 35) - A note on a Mount Dora doctor's office front door reads: "If you voted for Obama, seek urologic care elsewhere."

"If he's still an Obama supporter and he feels that his care is going to be impacted, I can't stop that. But that's not my intent," said Dr. Jack Cassell.


Cassell, 56, says he's not turning away patients or denying anyone care. Still, he won't be disappointed if Obama supporters are turned away after reading the sign and he doesn't hide his disdain for the newly passed health care reform legislation.

"I want them to understand that this doctor is so against what has happened, as every American should be at this point," adds Cassell.


The urologist, who keeps Republican materials in the waiting room, said he is not attempting to change his patient population, but wants to educate them.

"The people, who voted for Obama, are ultimately responsible for this to have happened, and they have to understand that they made a mistake," said Cassell.

Experts say Cassell is toeing a thin line between right and wrong. The physician has been practicing medicine in Lake County for 22 years. His wife, Leslie Campione , is running for Lake County Commission seat, District 4.

"You have two things to consider here," said Aaron Liberman, Chairman of the Department of Health Management at the University of Central Florida. "One is the free speech rights of every American to make a statement such as that, and secondly, you have the question of the doctor's judgment in making a statement like that."

This case is of a board certified (?) physician who is superfunded thru insurance company perks, like golf games, etc to pimp out & slang his activities...

I'd be careful if I was him because these State med boards ain't fuggin' around, they're going over med practices with a fine tooth comb--i.e. did you see patient X for 10 seconds... Then the IRS comes after you...

The BUSINESS of healthcare is fundamentally changing. No longer will some people get rich off of other people's sickness, suffering and misery. They can go to Costa Rica for that. See the medical tourism for that... LOL...and good luck...

At any rate, I don't know what this will forebode for us, but I did read the entire bill last summer and all I got was grief because I knew healthcare must change. Sorry if you all don't think so, but after incurring unbelievable amounts of debt due to a medical incident for piss poor care, well...Whatever. That's my experience...

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1914751)
If he provides good medical care, why wouldn't you want to be seen by a Dr. like that?

My Gastroenterologist has signs up in different areas of his office about the new healthcare reform. Whether he supports it or not, I don't really care. If he was to put up a sign like that tomorrow, i'd still go to him. I don't have to have the same political beliefs as him, just like I don't have to have the same religious beliefs as my doctor(s).

Your Dr. has signs up, but how do those signs read? Are they telling you to seek medical care somewhere else just because you supported Obama? What he posted on that door is clearly ignorant and stupid. I don't want to be seen by any Dr. where I have to question his character. All of that education and he's still an idiot.

ree-Xi 04-07-2010 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1914699)
"The people, who voted for Obama, are ultimately responsible for this to have happened, and they have to understand that they made a mistake," said Cassell.

I know.:o:o:o


:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1914707)
Quoth the good doctor when asked why he's speaking out about something when he admits he doesn't "know what the deal is": "Well, I mean, I get what I get online, just like any other American."

If that's the case, he's doing potential patients a favor. I really don't think I'd want that buffoon doctoring my johnson.

:)

cheerfulgreek 04-07-2010 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gibs0n (Post 1914784)
Do you work for free?

During my clinical rotations, as a matter of fact, I do.:)
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Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 1914790)
:rolleyes:

Works both ways.:rolleyes:

AGDee 04-07-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1914707)
Quoth the good doctor when asked why he's speaking out about something when he admits he doesn't "know what the deal is": "Well, I mean, I get what I get online, just like any other American."

If that's the case, he's doing potential patients a favor. I really don't think I'd want that buffoon doctoring my johnson.

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1914729)
Gee, this has been happening for years to those of us with vaginas and ovaries. Funny how when it's happening to people with penii it's OMG BAD DOCTOR WHERE IS HIS OATH???

I love you both :)

deepimpact2 04-08-2010 11:53 AM

This Dr. may not literally be turning patients away, but his sign probably creates such an uncomfortable feeling for many patients that they no longer wish to go there. So in essence I think he IS turning away patients. And I suspect there IS some ethics violation in this. However, because he is a Republican, and more than likely has made a considerable amount of money over the years as a doctor, nothing is going to be done about it.

I would NOT want a doctor like this treating me. Things like this make me feel that there are probably more hidden issues and prejudices and biases in this person's heart and they probably are not going provide the best care to EVERYONE. I was seeing a nephrologist for a few months. The first day he walked in the room I felt extremely uncomfortable. it was to the point that with each visit I realized that I would not be surprised if he walked in the treatment room one day in KKK robes. THAT is just the vibe he gave off. Now this man is supposed to be a premier nephrologist, but I just did not feel comfortable seeing him, nor did I feel he was going to provide the best care for me. I left and found another doctor I am MUCH more comfortable with.

Being comfortable with your doctor is key. When he/she creates an environment that removes that feeling of comfort and you feel compelled to leave, then essentially they have turned you away.

33girl 04-08-2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1915065)
However, because he is a Republican, and more than likely has made a considerable amount of money over the years as a doctor, nothing is going to be done about it.

SRSLY????? Are you saying the Democrat doctors are treating their patients for free? I hope you're kidding.

I've had friends rec doctors they loved who I hated, and vice versa. That's not a news flash, and nothing to do with politics.

Munchkin03 04-08-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1915065)
However, because he is a Republican, and more than likely has made a considerable amount of money over the years as a doctor, nothing is going to be done about it.

What are you smoking, and can I have some of it when reality is too hard to bear? Liberal physicians and dentists aren't crying poor either.

deepimpact2 04-08-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1915068)
SRSLY????? Are you saying the Democrat doctors are treating their patients for free? I hope you're kidding.

That's not what I'm saying and I can't even remotely fathom where you got that from. :rolleyes:

deepimpact2 04-08-2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1915069)
What are you smoking, and can I have some of it when reality is too hard to bear? Liberal physicians and dentists aren't crying poor either.

Who said anything about crying poor? What are you talking about?

Kappamd 04-08-2010 12:49 PM

And with the arrival of deepimpact2, so begins the downturn of this thread.


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