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acedawg00-02 03-21-2010 06:52 PM

Entire Sr. Class of All Male, African-Amer. Public School Accepted to 4 Year Colleges
 
Wasn't sure where to post this. Didn't want it to be overlooked. Please feel free to move it -if necessary.


Charter school's seniors: They're all in

EducationNews.org


The entire senior class of 107 students at Chicago's only public all-male, all-African-American high school has been accepted to four-year colleges.

Urban Prep Academy senior Keith Greer, along with his classmates, celebrates the news they will receive a free prom in Chicago because 100 percent of the graduating class was accepted into 4-year colleges or universities. (Tribune photo by Heather Charles March 5, 2010)

Four years ago, Bryant Alexander watched his mother weep.

She stared down at a muddle of D's and F's on his eighth-grade report card and threatened to kick him out. He had barely passed elementary school, and high school wasn't even on his radar.

"Something just clicked," Alexander, now 18, said. "I knew I had to do something."

On Friday, Alexander proudly swapped his high school's red uniform tie for a striped red and gold one — the ritual at Englewood's Urban Prep Academy for Young Men that signifies a student has been accepted into college.

As the Roseland resident and 12 others tied their knots, Chicago's only public all-male, all-African-American high school fulfilled its mission: 100 percent of its first senior class had been accepted to four-year colleges.

Mayor Richard Daley and city schools chief Ron Huberman surprised students at the all-school assembly Friday morning with congratulations, and school leaders announced that as a reward, prom would be free.

The achievement might not merit a visit from top brass if it happened at one of the city's elite, selective enrollment high schools. But Urban Prep, a charter school that enrolls all comers in one of Chicago's most beleaguered neighborhoods, faced much more difficult odds.

Only 4 percent of this year's senior class read at grade level as freshmen, said Tim King, the school's founder and CEO.

"There were those who told me that you can't defy the data," King said. "Black boys are killed. Black boys drop out of high school. Black boys go to jail. Black boys don't go to college. Black boys don't graduate from college.

"They were wrong," he said.

Every day, before attending advanced placement biology classes and lectures on changing the world, students must first pass through the neighborhood, then metal detectors.

"Poverty, gangs, drugs, crime, low graduation rates, teen pregnancy — you name it, Englewood has it," said Kenneth Hutchinson, the school's director of college counseling, who was born and raised in Englewood.

He met the students the summer before they began their freshman year during a field trip to Northwestern University, the first time many of them had ever stepped foot on a college campus. At the time, Hutchinson was Northwestern's assistant director of undergraduate admissions. Inspired by what he'd seen, he started working for Urban Prep two months later.

"I'm them," he said Friday as he fought back tears. "Being accepted to college is the first step to changing their lives and their communities."

Hutchinson plays a major role in the school, where college is omnipresent. Students are assigned college counselors from day one. To prepare students for the next level, the school offers a longer than typical day — about 170,000 minutes longer, over four years, than other city schools — and more than double the usual number of English credits, King said

Even the school's voice-mail system has a student declaring "I am college-bound" before asking callers to dial an extension.

The rigorous academic environment and strict uniform policy of black blazers, red ties and khakis isn't for everyone. The first senior class began with 150 students. Of those who left, many moved out of the area and some moved into neighborhoods that were too dangerous to cross to get to the school, King said. Fewer than 10 were expelled or dropped out, he said.

At last count, the 107 seniors gained acceptance to a total of 72 different colleges, including Northwestern University, Morehouse College, Howard University, Rutgers University and University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana. Alexander was accepted to DePaul University.

While college acceptance is an enormous hurdle to jump, school leaders said they know their job isn't done; they want to make sure the students actually attend.

To that aim, King said, staff made sure that every student has completed the dreaded Free Application for Federal Student Aid, lest the red tape deter them.

Later in the year, the school plans to hold a college signing day where every student is to sign a promise to go to college, he said. Staff will stay in touch through the summer and hopefully in the first years of school.

"We don't want to send them off and say, ‘Call us when you're ready to make a donation to your alma mater,' " King said. "If we fulfill our mission, that means they not only are accepted to college, but graduate from it."

For now, students are enjoying the glow of reaching their immediate goal.

Normally, it takes 18-year-old Jerry Hinds two buses and 45 minutes to get home from school. On the day the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana was to post his admission decision online at 5 p.m., he asked a friend to drive him to his home in the Auburn Gresham neighborhood.

He went into his bedroom, told his well-wishing mother this was something he had to do alone, closed the door and logged in.

"Yes! Yes! Yes!" he remembers screaming. His mother burst in and began crying.

That night he made more than 30 phone calls, at times shouting "I got in" on his cell phone and home phone at the same time.

"We're breaking barriers," he said. "And that feels great."

DrPhil 03-21-2010 07:01 PM

I saw this on some show the other day, so it has received some media attention.

Ths is great. I hope this public school keeps up the good work and other public schools are able to get the resources to have similar successes.

Sidebar: This reminds me of when I met some of the cuties in the Harlem Boy's Choir after a performance in the early 90s. :D Cuties, indeed. Anywhoooo, the Choir prided itself in giving these boys second chances and celebrated when a group of them was going to college.

NinjaPoodle 03-21-2010 07:10 PM

This is WONDERFUL!!

G-Kue 1911 03-21-2010 08:27 PM

Great article and outcome!

@ Dr. Phil...read an article about the Harlem Boys choir ending in Dec...it was great reading about it history but sad reading about the end!

Senusret I 03-21-2010 09:18 PM

This story has appeared many times in my FB news feed and it has yet to impress me.

I don't like charter schools. Most of them juke the stats with the liberty to pick who they want to attend and expel those who aren't meeting their standards. This one claims less than ten people from the freshman class were expelled. I don't know, sure. Whatever.

I will be impressed when a public school with open admissions can say the same thing -- but even then, I'm more interested in black men being happy, healthy, and productive members of society than them necessarily going to college.

To expound a little further -- if these men were so far behind just four years ago, I somehow doubt that the majority will be adequately prepared for college just because they got in. I'd be interested in comparing a list of where the young men were accepted with the acceptance rates of those schools.

Yeah, I'm a Debbie Downer, shoot me.

DrPhil 03-21-2010 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1909366)
This story has appeared many times in my FB news feed and it has yet to impress me.

To expound a little further -- if these men were so far behind just four years ago, I somehow doubt that the majority will be adequately prepared for college just because they got in. I'd be interested in comparing a list of where the young men were accepted with the acceptance rates of those schools.

Yeah, I'm a Debbie Downer, shoot me.

David Downer, Negative Norman, BOOOO Brady. :p

I agree with this part of your post. I wondered the same thing but then I remembered that I have my own biases of certain types of colleges and universities.

DaemonSeid 03-21-2010 09:40 PM

Either way, better to hear about them going to college than being the nightly news murder statistic.

DrPhil 03-21-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1909378)
Either way, better to hear about them going to college than being the nightly news murder statistic.

If those are the only 2 options.

acedawg00-02 03-21-2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1909366)
...I'm more interested in black men being happy, healthy, and productive members of society than them necessarily going to college...

I totally disagree with your blurb. There is a strong link between education and happiness. "If the pleasures of the uneducated can be at least as intense and plentiful as those of the educated, then it would be irrational for anyone without an education to pay any price for education."

There are some variables to this story…as there are with most scenarios. However, I will not debase or marginalize the efforts of these young men...they are paying a price – I applaud them.

So, is it better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied? Is it better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied?

The post is about 107 young black men having a chance to further their education...not 107 young men who were murdered, or being sentenced for drug trafficking or possession.

DrPhil 03-21-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by acedawg00-02 (Post 1909393)
There is a strong link between education and happiness.

No.

There is a relationship between higher education and socioeconomic status, which is correlated with quality of life. None of these automatically result in HAPPINESS.

ZTA72 03-21-2010 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1909397)
No.
There is a relationship between higher education and socioeconomic status, which is correlated with quality of life. None of these automatically result in HAPPINESS.

So true, according to an article I read a few years ago. The article followed about 20 winners of the Florida Lottery. None of them was really *happy* even though they had a drastic improvement in socioeconomic status. More than a few of the winners said their life was much worse since they had money and some even stated that they wish they hadn't won.
More education and a better quality of life, however defined, is a good thing, though.
Food for thought...

DrPhil 03-21-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZTA72 (Post 1909399)
So true, according to an article I read a few years ago. The article followed about 20 winners of the Florida Lottery. None of them was really *happy* even though they had a drastic improvement in socioeconomic status. More than a few of the winners said their life was much worse since they had money and some even stated that they wish they hadn't won.

Wow. This general topic would make a good thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZTA72 (Post 1909399)
More education and a better quality of life, however defined, is a good thing, though.
Food for thought...

The bolded is a good thing, especially when the other option is being murdered or sentenced for drug trafficking or possession. :)

xp2k 03-21-2010 10:49 PM

I read another article about this school, and from what I understand, the average ACT score for the graduating class was a 15!!!

Thats dismal. That means a lot of these students arent prepared for college level work.

Getting these men into college was a good start (though not everyone is meant for college), but I'm concerned of how well they'll do there academically.

Oh well...at least it start....

acedawg00-02 03-22-2010 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xp2k (Post 1909411)
I read another article about this school, and from what I understand, the average ACT score for the graduating class was a 15!!!

Thats dismal. That means a lot of these students arent prepared for college level work.

Getting these men into college was a good start (though not everyone is meant for college), but I'm concerned of how well they'll do there academically.

Oh well...at least it start....


"The average ACT score of Urban Prep's all-black male student body -- 16.1 -- is below the Chicago Public Schools average of 17 ...Johns Hopkins seemed more impressed with [one graduate's] 3.8 GPA and his extracurricular activities than his ACT, said Henderson, who will probably attend another college that is offering him a better financial package. "The ACT does not determine how smart you are,'' he said."


I grew up in a rural setting...my mother is an educator...so, I had someone who stayed on my a$$ and wouldn't accept anything less than honors or AP courses.

These children come from an urban/inner-city setting, and I'm quite sure that they do not have the exposure, resources or home environment conducive to academic success.

This is a start...they can only improve from here...

xp2k 03-22-2010 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acedawg00-02 (Post 1909433)

"The average ACT score of Urban Prep's all-black male student body -- 16.1 -- is below the Chicago Public Schools average of 17 ...Johns Hopkins seemed more impressed with [one graduate's] 3.8 GPA and his extracurricular activities than his ACT, said Henderson, who will probably attend another college that is offering him a better financial package. "The ACT does not determine how smart you are,'' he said."


I grew up in a rural setting...my mother is an educator...so, I had someone who stayed on my a$$ and wouldn't accept anything less than honors or AP courses.

These children come from an urban/inner-city setting, and I'm quite sure that they do not have the exposure, resources or home environment conducive to academic success.

This is a start...they can only improve from here...

I agree with you 100%! You have to start somewhere..and maybe the younger graduating classes will improve.

And also thanks for finding the correct statistic...I was lazy and should have looked it up.

Munchkin03 03-23-2010 10:34 AM

I was about to say that it seems that the true test of success is the boys' making it through college, and not just being accepted. Wealthy private schools will accept students like these, who may not be as qualified, but won't provide them with the tools that they lacked in their early education that will allow them to actually succeed at these colleges.

Has anyone read "A Hope in the Unseen"?

That said, it's great that these young men graduated from high school. College isn't for everyone; if they join the military, acquire a trade, or even get vocational training, they can support themselves well.

als463 03-23-2010 12:18 PM

Maybe I missed it somewhere, so please let me know if I did. Didn't it say that at the beginning of their senior year, a large portion of the class could barely read? If that is the case, how did they pass their senior classes and make it that far through the process? It sounds that if a school acknowledged a large portion of their kids could barely read by the time they got into their senior year of high school, this school has been "pushing" their students through the system. That is a shame, if that is the case.

If the school did such a disservice to these young men, I feel sorry for their futures at such good universities.

agzg 03-23-2010 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1909950)
Maybe I missed it somewhere, so please let me know if I did. Didn't it say that at the beginning of their senior year, a large portion of the class could barely read? If that is the case, how did they pass their senior classes and make it that far through the process? It sounds that if a school acknowledged a large portion of their kids could barely read by the time they got into their senior year of high school, this school has been "pushing" their students through the system. That is a shame, if that is the case.

If the school did such a disservice to these young men, I feel sorry for their futures at such good universities.

At the beginning of their FRESHMAN year, a large portion could not read AT GRADE LEVEL.

als463 03-23-2010 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1909959)
At the beginning of their FRESHMAN year, a large portion could not read AT GRADE LEVEL.

That's funny because I just read this:

"Only 4 percent of this year's senior class read at grade level as freshmen, said Tim King, the school's founder and CEO."

That tells me that while only 4 percent of this year's senior class read at a level as freshmen, there might be a possibility that many of them read BELOW that. Maybe instead of finding reasons to try and make me look stupid, you could read what was written. :rolleyes:

agzg 03-23-2010 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1909975)
That's funny because I just read this:

"Only 4 percent of this year's senior class read at grade level as freshmen, said Tim King, the school's founder and CEO."

That tells me that while only 4 percent of this year's senior class read at a level as freshmen, there might be a possibility that many of them read BELOW that. Maybe instead of finding reasons to try and make me look stupid, you could read what was written. :rolleyes:

I missed the memo where "Cannot read at grade level" means "can barely read." For all we know, based on what the article said, that could be an 8th grade level instead of a 9th grade level, and the article said nothing about the seniors reading below a freshman level AS SENIORS.

Maybe someone should be tested for reading at their own grade level, where distinctions are made via modifiers.:rolleyes:

als463 03-23-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1909979)
I missed the memo where "Cannot read at grade level" means "can barely read." For all we know, based on what the article said, that could be an 8th grade level instead of a 9th grade level, and the article said nothing about the seniors reading below a freshman level AS SENIORS.

Maybe someone should be tested for reading at their own grade level, where distinctions are made via modifiers.:rolleyes:

Oh good..another pissing contest. Maybe some schools (like Gannon) allow people who can barely read into their institutions. I can't say the same for my school. ;)

If you think it is acceptable to not read at grade level and then get accepted to a 4-year university, that's great. As a former reading tutor, I have a hard time believing that they went from not reading at their grade level to getting accepted to such good schools without a little "help" from the school. I am interested to see how these students do after a year at these schools. In fact, I hope after 4 years they graduate. I truly think they may have a hard road ahead of them.

I don't really agree with all of Rasputen (sp?) says but, he/she made a good point that not being able to read is unacceptable at any age. No, I don't agree that we should make fun of those who can't read. I think we should be concerned about the schools that continuously push these kids through without giving them the help they really need. I think that is where the real stories is.

Senusret I 03-23-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1909988)
I think that is where the real stories is.

Says the reading tutor.

DaemonSeid 03-23-2010 01:36 PM

damn.

als463 03-23-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1909994)
Says the reading tutor.

Good, you're here. I'm sure you agree with the fact that we should allow people to get pushed through the system because of the color of their skin. Yes, I was a reading tutor, until I moved to New York. In fact, I helped a kid get his GED to help him join the military. He is now serving his country. I also helped a mother of 3 get out of the "system" of Children & Youth and also get her GED. She is now a student at a local community college. Can you say the same? :rolleyes:

dreamseeker 03-23-2010 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1909994)
Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/im...s/viewpost.gif
I think that is where the real stories is.
Says the reading tutor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1909996)
damn.

http://www.pledgepark.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

DaemonSeid 03-23-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910003)
Good, you're here. I'm sure you agree with the fact that we should allow people to get pushed through the system because of the color of their skin. Yes, I was a reading tutor, until I moved to New York. In fact, I helped a kid get his GED to help him join the military. He is now serving his country. I also helped a mother of 3 get out of the "system" of Children & Youth and also get her GED. She is now a student at a local community college. Can you say the same? :rolleyes:

Should or should NOT?

als463 03-23-2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rasputn (Post 1910004)
Rasputen was banned so that spelling won't work.

Sorry. I hadn't paid much attention to the spelling. I just hope you don't get banned. Please watch certain terms you use or people may get upset. Other than that, if you consider people "lazy" and not necessarily the "n-word" you might get more people to listen. I doubt that, though, with some of these people.

als463 03-23-2010 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1910012)
Should or should NOT?

For someone who just tried to make me look stupid as a former reading tutor, I'm shocked you don't know how to read.

I think you agree that people SHOULD get pushed through based on their skin color. I'm sure that is what happened in this case (the story, not necessarily you).

DaemonSeid 03-23-2010 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910014)
For someone who just tried to make me look stupid as a former reading tutor, I'm shocked you don't know how to read.

I think you agree that people SHOULD get pushed through based on their skin color. I'm sure that is what happened in this case (the story, not necessarily you).

Oh no...I know how to read and no I DO NOT agree that anyone SHOULD get pushed thru because of their skin color.

That's a bad assumption on your part if that is what you believe.

agzg 03-23-2010 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1909988)
Oh good..another pissing contest. Maybe some schools (like Gannon) allow people who can barely read into their institutions. I can't say the same for my school. ;)

Seriously? This is just laughable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1909988)
If you think it is acceptable to not read at grade level and then get accepted to a 4-year university, that's great. As a former reading tutor, I have a hard time believing that they went from not reading at their grade level to getting accepted to such good schools without a little "help" from the school. I am interested to see how these students do after a year at these schools. In fact, I hope after 4 years they graduate. I truly think they may have a hard road ahead of them.

I don't really agree with all of Rasputen (sp?) says but, he/she made a good point that not being able to read is unacceptable at any age. No, I don't agree that we should make fun of those who can't read. I think we should be concerned about the schools that continuously push these kids through without giving them the help they really need. I think that is where the real stories is.

Find in any of my posts where I said not reading at grade level was acceptable for freshmen at the college level.

My point WAS, and still is, that "not reading at grade level"=/= "can barely read."

I'm adding a new point:
We all know you're a self important bitch. You still have a lot of learning to do about phrasing your opinions in such a way that you won't get such an immediate and negative response. If you don't care about that, or prefer to bitch about everyone hating you because you "speak the truth," then you can be on your merry way - just be aware that it's your choice to make.

DaemonSeid 03-23-2010 01:54 PM

uh...tell her how you really feel!

knight_shadow 03-23-2010 02:00 PM

I knew I'd love this thread when I saw who the last few posters were.

Signed,
DrPhil's Side Minion

als463 03-23-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1910019)
Oh no...I know how to read and no I DO NOT agree that anyone SHOULD get pushed thru because of their skin color.

That's a bad assumption on your part if that is what you believe.

What do you think happened here? I think it is sad that we can't just say that an entire class of public school students has been accepted to a 4 year college. Why do we have to push that it is an "all-male, african-american" group of students.

I don't know many schools (public, to be honest) that have 100% of their students go off to college. Because we phrase it the way it has been phrased, we are making note that we don't think "all-male, african americans" from a public school can make it to college. Why does it have to be a race thing? Why does it have to be a gender thing? If it was an "all-female, caucasian" group of students from a public school, no one would bat an eyelash. Why is that?

By harping on the age and gender, we are saying that african-american males are destined for worse. I get that a great percentage of them go to prison or join gangs (from what the article says) but, that is their own fault. If you end up in prison or join a gang, it isn't because of your race, it is because you made those choices.

Good for these young boys, but I hope they got through school on their own accord and not because the school pushed them through, just so they could say this.

DaemonSeid 03-23-2010 02:13 PM

Clearly you don't have any understanding of what being an African American male is like and why JUST ONE going to college is indeed an achievement.

Maybe if you took a look at statistics from the past 20 or more years, there is clearly a connection to Black males going to and graduating from college in low numbers while steadily increasing the prison populations and cemetaries before reaching age 25.

You can teach anyone to read but can you teach them to UNDERSTAND what they read?

knight_shadow 03-23-2010 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910044)
What do you think happened here? I think it is sad that we can't just say that an entire class of public school students has been accepted to a 4 year college. Why do we have to push that it is an "all-male, african-american" group of students.

I don't know many schools (public, to be honest) that have 100% of their students go off to college. Because we phrase it the way it has been phrased, we are making note that we don't think "all-male, african americans" from a public school can make it to college. Why does it have to be a race thing? Why does it have to be a gender thing? If it was an "all-female, caucasian" group of students from a public school, no one would bat an eyelash. Why is that?

By harping on the age and gender, we are saying that african-american males are destined for worse. I get that a great percentage of them go to prison or join gangs (from what the article says) but, that is their own fault. If you end up in prison or join a gang, it isn't because of your race, it is because you made those choices.

Good for these young boys, but I hope they got through school on their own accord and not because the school pushed them through, just so they could say this.

How can you say the two phrases in bold in the same breath?

I'm not even going to address the rest of your post, as it would be pointless. Have madmax fill you in.

knight_shadow 03-23-2010 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1910051)
Clearly you don't have any understanding of what being an African American male is like and why JUST ONE going to college is indeed an achievement.

Maybe if you took a look at statistics from the past 20 or more years, there is clearly a connection to Black males going to and graduating from college in low numbers while steadily increasing the prison populations and cemetaries before reaching age 25.

You can teach anyone to read but can you teach them to UNDERSTAND what they read?

:cool:

Munchkin03 03-23-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910003)
In fact, I helped a kid get his GED to help him join the military. He is now serving his country. I also helped a mother of 3 get out of the "system" of Children & Youth and also get her GED. She is now a student at a local community college. Can you say the same? :rolleyes:

You want a cookie? OMFG I JUST INSPECTED A BUILDING SO STUFF WOULDN'T FALL OFF OF IT AND KILL PEOPLE! Let me tell the Internetz!

DrPhil 03-23-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910014)
I think you agree that people SHOULD get pushed through based on their skin color.

No.

This is an unsurprisingly dumb assertion.

I was going to wonder how the hell this thread ended up where it ended up. Now I see how.

DrPhil 03-23-2010 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1910025)
I'm adding a new point:
We all know you're a self important bitch. You still have a lot of learning to do about phrasing your opinions in such a way that you won't get such an immediate and negative thought. If you don't care about that, or prefer to bitch about everyone hating you because you "speak the truth," then you can be on your merry way - just be aware that it's your choice to make.

Well, damn, okay then.

Quote:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1910034)
I knew I'd love this thread when I saw who the last few posters were.

Signed,
DrPhil's Side Minion

LOL--and I'm not to blame for the turn of this thread. I'm just riding on coattails after the fact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910044)
What do you think happened here? I think it is sad that we can't just say that an entire class of public school students has been accepted to a 4 year college. Why do we have to push that it is an "all-male, african-american" group of students.

I don't know many schools (public, to be honest) that have 100% of their students go off to college. Because we phrase it the way it has been phrased, we are making note that we don't think "all-male, african americans" from a public school can make it to college. Why does it have to be a race thing? Why does it have to be a gender thing? If it was an "all-female, caucasian" group of students from a public school, no one would bat an eyelash. Why is that?

By harping on the age and gender, we are saying that african-american males are destined for worse. I get that a great percentage of them go to prison or join gangs (from what the article says) but, that is their own fault. If you end up in prison or join a gang, it isn't because of your race, it is because you made those choices.

Good for these young boys, but I hope they got through school on their own accord and not because the school pushed them through, just so they could say this.

There's a lot of inconsistency in this post.

No, African American males are not destined for worse. People confuse disproportionate involvement in crime, lack of education, and unemployment to imply destiny. For instance, the average African American male is not involved in crime. Therefore, being an African American male is not a "plight" nor is it ridden with hardtimes and negativity.

With that said, personal choices matter but it's more than just personal choices. We are talking about aggregate effects here. But, I sense that I'm typing to a brick wall right now.

LatinaAlumna 03-23-2010 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1910013)
I just hope you don't get banned. Please watch certain terms you use or people may get upset.

Way to feed the troll AND stand up against racism in one shot!

Wait till he finds out you're "Latina"!


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