Should I rush the same frat again?
 

This spring at SU I rushed and was called back to TKE. Over the course of the week I thought I got along with the brothers fine. I made callbacks and even had a senior brother put in a good word in for me. On bid day I didnt recieve a bid though but wasnt surprised due to the fact that 500 kids rushed. I have two questions should I rush the same house in the fall and could anyone give me any insight as to why I didnt recive a bid.

No we can't give you insight in why you didn't get a bid. And whether you should rush again is solely up to you.

500 guys went to the TKE rush party or 500 guys rushed in general? I would find out the answer to this before determining if you should rush again. How many guys were at these callbacks?

If rush was that big I wouldn't even bother.

Personally, why would I even want to be part of an organization that didn't even want me the first time.

I can answer both your questions.

No, you shouldn't rush the same house again, and it's fraternity, not "frat."

You didn't get a bid because they voted on you, and probably had some not too light discusion about you, but in the end, at least one brother in that organization had a strong problem making you his brother. So strong of a problem that it didn't happen. And it won't. Don't dwell on it, rush more than one fraternity, and keep your mind open.

Good luck.

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500 students rushed overall, may be 200 rushes this specific house

about 40 callbacks

oh and btw frat is short fraternity i realize that frat has a bad rep in some peoples eye but you know what I mean.

Yes we did. And we gave you some advice because I have known people not ot get bids because they constantly used the term frat. It really rubs some people the wrong way.

And as for if you want to rush again, that is on you. You were one of 40 callbacks? how many of those got bids?

I dont know the answer to that may be anywhere from 10 to 20

From the looks of it, that's a very selective group.
In the end it's up to you if you think it's worth re-rushing. I wouldn't.
Maybe rush other (and more than one) houses next time.
Hoepfully you're not on a campus where you've been given a negative stigma because you didn't recieve a bid somewhere.

Yeah it really boils down to whether or not you were drawn enough to the organization to try again. Do you really want to be part of TKE That is what should be the deciding factor. I mean stranger things have happened. Now I'm not a typical case, but i rushed three times over three years before i finally got a bid to Psi U. So at some schools it can happen.

Yeah, this is all good advice, but seriously, stop saying "frat". It is the reason that some people who would have got bids didn't. Several people who that is the only "wrong" thing that they did. It has kept people out, so it probably will again.

I also did not rush one fraternity i had callbacks to four other places. But i only went to two out of the four due to personal time constraints.

Whether you re-rush or not is your decision as others have said. Before you make a decision though you should ask yourself these questions:

1. Is there anything that stands out in my mind as something which might have prevented me from getting a bid?

2. If there is, what can I do to rectify this issue? In other words, what has changed now compared to then that might increase my chances?

Personally, I'd advise against it. I had the option to re-rush a group this semester that declined me last, and I didn't. Chances are if they don't want you once, they won't want you a second time.

The only "tangible" I can think of is if your grades were in the toilet, and there was another guy they liked as much as you with better grades. So if that's a concern, bring them up before rushing at ANY fraternity.

Hey man. My first semester at college I rushed TKE. But I also made sure to check out the other fraternities. TKE is kinda the "cool party guy" fraternity on campus. The guys all liked me, and wanted to bring me on. Fortunately or unfortunately (depends on the way you look at it), I didn't have the grades out of high school to pledge first semester. However, this time gave me the inspiration to do better in school, and also gave me a chance to get a better view of each fraternity for a while before I made a decision. I began to see that our TKE chapter really wasn't for me, for although I made some good friends, i didn't really care for many of the other brothers.

However, I did become really close with the guys from our Lambda Chi Alpha chapter here. I really fit in, and everybody seemed to be close. It was at this point that I remembered some stories from my older sisters who joined sororities when they were in college. One of my sisters joined the "barbie/pretty girl" sorority, and the other joined one that she had a blast at their rush events. Can you guess what happened? Well, my one sister who joined the "barbie" sorority played softball, basketball, etc. in high school. This was looked down upon by her sisters, and made her feel uncomfortable. My other sister fell in love with all the fun she was having by choosing the sorority that she fit in most.

So I took their advice, and I went with Lambda Chi, and I couldn't have made a better decision. I still stayed friends with many of the TKE guys, and we still hang out.

Moral of the story is, be sure to check out everyone. If most kids are rushing TKE at your school, that's probably because it's the "cool" fraternity. Make sure they're the kind of guys you'll enjoy becoming your closest friends. And to be blunt, if 500 kids rushed, and only 40 were picked up, chances are you weren't #41 in line. Normally for fraternities, if you're someone they'd like to reevaluate and see come back, they'll at least come and talk with you and say they'd like to see you come out next semester. Just remember that you would be calling the guys who mostly voted no against you your brothers.

BTW, what does your SU stand for?

You don't want to join a fraternity that you have to accomondate.
The fraternity should fit who you are and if you don't get a bid they fare failing you not you failing in any way. Really if one brother doesn't like you that isn't the reason you didn't get a bid bc most guys in a fraternity aren't best friends you pick the few you are close with and that is the way it is in anything in life work school even your subdivision. You find a few ppl you love and a few you don't. Even if you are a legacy or have a 4.0 sometimes you don't fit that exact image. You can't push yourself into something but fit openly. A fraternity isn't going to take you for what you have or who you know but who you are on the inside. If you get along with them and fit in then nothing else matters.

I would like to know where TKE is cool? In no southern state that my friend is Greek at has TKE been liked.

You do NOT know how membership selection works in ANY fraternity other than your local. In some organizations, it can take a very few "NOs" to not bid someone.

Don't worry about the accomondation. I see lots of rejectment in your future.

I don't know how many votes it takes to black-ball you with TKE, and local practice may well vary from TKE chapter to TKE chapter. That said, if you really want to try again you should talk to an active brother that you feel close to and ask him to advise you. I doubt if he would say who or how many dropped the ball on you but he could tell you if anything in particular was working against you. He could informally advise if he thought you had a chance or if you pissed off a lot of people and may as well forget it.
It might be that some of the graduating seniors didn't like you and your chances got a lot better with them gone. It could be something unconscious like over using the word frat, it could be anything. This is why I suggest you ask a friend directly whether you have a chance and if there is something that rubs some people the wrong way that you could be aware of and watch out for. There are a lot of things that may mean nothing to you which you could down play without trying to be too accomodating.
Its a bit wishful thinking that your chapter must fit you like a second skin and you must be exactly what they are looking for. Everyman is an individual to a greater or lesser extent. What you need to be aware of is if you are saying or doing something that has the effect of putting your cigar out in the rush chairman's eyeball.
Ask, learn, if you have a chance decide if you are OK with what it might take to score a bid, make up your mind and go have a great college experience.

It really does depend on the chapter. Trust me, TKE has very few national rules regarding membership.

I really doubt it only takes one or two guys to "blackball" you from the chapter. It's likelier that a large percentage (maybe not the majority, but a good percentage) of the chapter didn't see you fit for membership.

And sometimes the guys you're friends with can either help or hurt your chances. Who knows, maybe the brothers you're close to aren't very respected in the chapter, thus hurting your chances even further.

There are a lot of factors and only the guys in the chapter would know why you didn't get bidded.

There is no way they can.

Unless they nominate Ronald Reagan to rule TKE from the dead, then everyone would flock to them.

I'd support that decision.

TKE National has given our chapters only one instruction regarding new members and it was given in 1907 before the Beta chapter was established. It has never been a secret, has never been changed and it is this.

A TKE chapter is precluded from considering the wealth, social status or connections of the parents, other family members or friends of the man presented before them as a potential initiate.

They may only judge that man on his own personal worth and character as to whether he is a suitable brother.

It has always been our way, we like it and we don't care who doesn't.

Sounds like an honorable policy to me. :)

Your mild obsession with insulting a particular fraternity reflects really poorly on you. Why do you hate them so much? I don't get it. It's hardly fraternal spirit. Every group has great guys and not-so-great. Smart and average. Rich and just getting by. Good looking and average. Jocks and brainiacs.

I'm sincerely wondering what the problem is.

a) I don't hate them.
b) I don't have fraternal spirit other than for my own fraternity.

Some are more equal than others.

And so it goes.

Thank you for being candid.

I agree with the above post if they don't want you the first time and with a senior bro recommendation they wouldn't like you the second time. Yea I suggest you go to another place. Look from your posts it sounds very selective out of 40 callbacks 10 made it. But it doesn't hurt to rush again so if you really want to be in that house rush again. but do what preston327 said assess yourself. Also i agree with the word frat some people hate when rushes use that word but in our house we don't really care if people say frat and that is not one of the deciding factor if a rush says the word frat.

try to get to know some of the brother, see if you like them. If they know you and they think youre cool you shouldnt have a problem. Also dont be afraid to rush other frats

He's right. When I was an Associate Member we didn't use the word frat or say A-Psi, we used Alpha Psi Lambda because it's more respectful.